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Re: Trade Talks
« Reply #75 on: 12 December 2020, 21:40:30 »

I wouldnt say I dont care, but Im not particularly concerned or bothered. Things will be a bit panicky for a little while and then soon settle down again and we can worry / fret / argue, over something else.
I still wont be that surprised if they cobble together some sort of deal at the last minute either.
Either way, the sun will still rise on the 1st January, and the world will keep on turning.


Got to say I agree entirely with you, a lot of scare mongering going on but I honestly couldn't give  a f**k.
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Re: Trade Talks
« Reply #76 on: 12 December 2020, 21:49:04 »

The Navy (or any of the armed forces for that matter) on standby on New Years Day? New Years Day is a Friday this/next year? It's a widely know fact that if the Russians want to invade then sometime after lunch on a Friday is their best bet.

On the other hand, Fishing & Fisheries are the responsibility of the Ministry of Agr, Food and Fisheries, not MOD. So perhaps it's a bean counter at MOD's idea that they can (over) charge MAFF for a bit of overtime. Getting enough sober Matlows to crew a Pedalo will be a bigger issue though.
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Re: Trade Talks
« Reply #77 on: 12 December 2020, 22:01:52 »

We'll get plenty of warning before they actually invade, all the traffic lights will go out.
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Re: Trade Talks
« Reply #78 on: 12 December 2020, 23:24:41 »

They think it's all over...

Unfortunately my predictions before the referendum have all been true.

It's over. In terms of we are F
U
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On what grounds? If we fail it will be because all the naysayers have ground down the rest of us.

"It was over the moment they suggested it four years ago" argument is the sort of bullshit that guarantees failure.

Sure things are going to change, but if we approach it thinking that there's no point trying we deserve to fall flat on our arses, but if we seize the opportunity and embrace it, we will be guaranteed to succeed.

We left the EU almost a year ago, and you had over three years notice of that happening, so get your shit together and move forward with definite, positive steps.
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Re: Trade Talks
« Reply #79 on: 13 December 2020, 10:57:30 »

I wonder if later today when No Deal is announced will Ursula von der Leyen also announce her resignation because of her colossal and possibly catastrophic failure to agree a mutually beneficial trade deal with the UK.  A deal which has been said should have been the easiest in history.  ::)

I guess being unelected by and totally unaccountable to the people of the member states of the EU, that'll be no then...  :-\
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Re: Trade Talks
« Reply #80 on: 13 December 2020, 11:02:35 »

That will depend on how Merkel chooses to pull the strings in the background. Its possible as Merkel apparently doesnt like her much.
She had her sent to Brussels because she was obviously a crook, and also a (much younger and more attractive) rival.
The Wail on Sunday claims that Merkel is sabotaging the chances of a deal from behind the curtains. I suppose from her point of view taking both Ursula and the UK down a peg or two at the same time, is a win win situation.
We shall see.
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Re: Trade Talks
« Reply #81 on: 13 December 2020, 11:03:34 »

I wonder if later today when No Deal is announced will Ursula von der Leyen also announce her resignation because of her colossal and possibly catastrophic failure to agree a mutually beneficial trade deal with the UK.  A deal which has been said should have been the easiest in history.  ::)

I guess being unelected by and totally unaccountable to the people of the member states of the EU, that'll be no then...  :-\
No chance, she'll be hailed as an iron lady who didn't cave in to those pesky, superior Brits.
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Re: Trade Talks
« Reply #82 on: 13 December 2020, 11:28:57 »

I wonder if later today when No Deal is announced will Ursula von der Leyen also announce her resignation because of her colossal and possibly catastrophic failure to agree a mutually beneficial trade deal with the UK.  A deal which has been said should have been the easiest in history.  ::)

I guess being unelected by and totally unaccountable to the people of the member states of the EU, that'll be no then...  :-\
And why would she do that?

Or are you still under some misapprehension that the EU would have rolled over and let us have our cake and eat it? Or that £350m a week is going to the NHS as per the bus?

Sorry to let you into a secret, the leavers lied. Knowingly.  It was obvious at the time that the EU weren't going to agree with God Farage's wishes.

And as New POD says, its turned out exactly as predicted, and UK industry has lost its biggest market, so is pretty much donald ducked.  Which obviously has huge knock-ons to the rest of the economy.  This is being felt first in the retail industry, which never had time to recover from the 2008 crash before Brexit came along and finished it off.  Passionate leave supporters could argue that batflu is a cause, but that hasn't even had any real impact to things yet - every retail business thats gone tits up was going tits up before this sniffle came along.
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Re: Trade Talks
« Reply #83 on: 13 December 2020, 11:36:40 »

We shall see.  ::)
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Re: Trade Talks
« Reply #84 on: 13 December 2020, 12:00:26 »

Both sides have just announced they will "go the extra mile" and carry on talking after tonights deadline.
Just get it over with ffs.  ::)

I suspect neither of them wants to be the one to take the blame for walking away.
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Re: Trade Talks
« Reply #85 on: 13 December 2020, 12:12:12 »

It's always the same with a break up
who gets the dog, sorting out which CD belong to who , what about the joint gifts  ::)
the EU just needs to move on and find someone else to F*** and all will be well  :D
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Re: Trade Talks
« Reply #86 on: 13 December 2020, 12:14:53 »

Both sides have just announced they will "go the extra mile" and carry on talking after tonights deadline.
Just get it over with ffs.  ::)

I suspect neither of them wants to be the one to take the blame for walking away.


The difference is that it will affect the EU far less than us. And it's our idea.
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Re: Trade Talks
« Reply #87 on: 13 December 2020, 12:33:10 »

We shall see.  ::)
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Re: Trade Talks
« Reply #88 on: 13 December 2020, 13:09:17 »

I wonder if later today when No Deal is announced will Ursula von der Leyen also announce her resignation because of her colossal and possibly catastrophic failure to agree a mutually beneficial trade deal with the UK.  A deal which has been said should have been the easiest in history.  ::)

I guess being unelected by and totally unaccountable to the people of the member states of the EU, that'll be no then...  :-\
And why would she do that?

Or are you still under some misapprehension that the EU would have rolled over and let us have our cake and eat it? Or that £350m a week is going to the NHS as per the bus?

Sorry to let you into a secret, the leavers lied. Knowingly.  It was obvious at the time that the EU weren't going to agree with God Farage's wishes.

And as New POD says, its turned out exactly as predicted, and UK industry has lost its biggest market, so is pretty much donald ducked.  Which obviously has huge knock-ons to the rest of the economy.  This is being felt first in the retail industry, which never had time to recover from the 2008 crash before Brexit came along and finished it off.  Passionate leave supporters could argue that batflu is a cause, but that hasn't even had any real impact to things yet - every retail business thats gone tits up was going tits up before this sniffle came along.

You mistakenly believe that this is about the economy and trade, but if it was they'd have wrapped up a mutually beneficial deal at the end of June, the first deadline.  ::)  This is about politics, not economics and as Liam Fox said this should have been the easiest deal in history.  It's worth noting that Liz Truss's Department for International Trade have signed over 50 FTA's so far which is unprecedented for any country.  So much for the little speck in the North Sea and it shows what can be achieved between two friendly countries pursuing a common goal.   :P  It's also worth noting that Britain is not the first major economy that the EU has tried and failed to achieve an FTA with, the USA, India, the Gulf states...

While there's little point in rehashing the arguments of 2016, I can assure you that as soon as David Cameron announced the referendum, I knew how I was going to vote, and I'd be willing to bet my mortgages that the vast majority of leave voters did too.  What was written on the side of a bus or what Nigel Farage came out with was pretty much irrelevant, because there was a deep seated uneasiness across the country that power was slipping away from our democratically elected parliament (well half of it..) to the unelected and unaccountable commissars in Brussels.  That's all.

As to VDL and whether she should resign or not, surely the whole point of the EU is to make people's lives better, not worse? An FTA with the worlds 5/6th biggest economy on their doorstep who by and large follows the same principles should have been high on her list of priorities, and could have been achieved in a friendly and speedy manner.  Instead they decided to go down the road of constraining the UK driven by a vindictive desire of punishment, so yes I think she should resign if there's no deal as it's a colossal failure for the EU and she is the leader.  ::)

As you say, she won't.  Why should she?  :)

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Re: Trade Talks
« Reply #89 on: 13 December 2020, 13:50:57 »

Surely those that are calling for VDL to resign/be sacked should also be calling for Boris to resign/be sacked too?

I mean, it's a negotiation where the two sides appear to have failed to come to an agreement. Both sides have principles that they are unwilling to soften enough for there to be a meeting on some middle ground. Blaming this all on one side appears to be a "we want our cake and to eat it" argument. Why is Boris 'blameless' and it's all VDL's fault?

As for the 50 FTA's - the vast majority of these are simple extensions of pre-existing EU FTA's to include the UK in a post BREXIT world. We already had these FTA's as a result of EU membership, and the 'new' signings just mean they will continue once the UK is fully out of the EU. 
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