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Fuel pump issue ? is it fubared ?
« on: 28 February 2021, 09:53:42 »

Hi All . .  .not been on here much latley  . . .long story  . . . but have an issue . .
         
 2001 2.6 Estate . . .     3  days ago used the car for a 50 mile round trip , all running perfectly.

Then 2 days ago  went to use car and although it fires a revs to about 1000rpm it then cuts out after about 1 sec . Tried to re start and same thing happens several times.

  Seem to remember advice on here was to give the underside of the tank a thump . . .  did so  . . and car started an ran perfectly  :-\    There are no warning lights on .

   Same happened yesterday  . . .had to thump the tank  after it had been left overnight.

  Assume this is a fuel pump issue  . . .is replacememnt the answer or can they be serviced . ?   TIA   AL
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Re: Fuel pump issue ? is it fubared ?
« Reply #1 on: 28 February 2021, 11:04:01 »

Serviceable in that you can replace just the pump rather than the whole swirl pot assembly
pump clicky 9196213 is showing for caravan (estate) and saloon
https://vauxhall.7zap.com/en/car/v94/g/0/23-1/#4 
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Re: Fuel pump issue ? is it fubared ?
« Reply #2 on: 28 February 2021, 11:12:09 »

symptoms point to the pump
the fuel pump uses fuel to lubricate itself ,so running out of fuel thus running the pump dry can kill it  :(
Carltons suffered badly with poor electrical connection to the pump plug
fuel pump relay on Omega is a very simple relay, easy to get at and bypass for test purposes /
also worth checking you don't have any immobilizer stored codes
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Re: Fuel pump issue ? is it fubared ?
« Reply #3 on: 28 February 2021, 11:40:00 »

Serviceable in that you can replace just the pump rather than the whole swirl pot assembly
pump clicky 9196213 is showing for caravan (estate) and saloon
https://vauxhall.7zap.com/en/car/v94/g/0/23-1/#4 

Is replacing just the pump fairly straight forward . . . as in get access to whole pump assembly through estate load area floor, take pump out of "swirl pot"  , replace and reassemble / :-\

Thanks for your reply. :y

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Re: Fuel pump issue ? is it fubared ?
« Reply #4 on: 28 February 2021, 11:43:34 »

symptoms point to the pump
the fuel pump uses fuel to lubricate itself ,so running out of fuel thus running the pump dry can kill it  :(
Carltons suffered badly with poor electrical connection to the pump plug
fuel pump relay on Omega is a very simple relay, easy to get at and bypass for test purposes /
also worth checking you don't have any immobilizer stored codes

No codes showing Dave.  The fact that thumping the tank lets the car start and run fine  must point to it being the pump. . . do you agree.    My diagnosis at first was  . . crank sensor  or fuel pump .
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Re: Fuel pump issue ? is it fubared ?
« Reply #5 on: 28 February 2021, 11:51:24 »

Or if money is tight a LUCAS pump 21.16
2 extra for first class post  ;)


Is replacing just the pump fairly straight forward . . . as in get access to whole pump assembly through estate load area floor, take pump out of "swirl pot"  , replace and reassemble / :-\


pretty simple ,does require taking the old pump out of the swirl pot assembly and putting the new one in ,but that's not hard , i'll see if i can find a youtube vid of a similar procedure ,doubt there's an omega video

pump lives in this type of "swirl pot" assembly (example image)

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Re: Fuel pump issue ? is it fubared ?
« Reply #6 on: 28 February 2021, 11:55:05 »

Opti did it, on a corsa, bound to be a piece of piss.
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Re: Fuel pump issue ? is it fubared ?
« Reply #7 on: 28 February 2021, 12:03:44 »

Ok . . .yer should be able to manage that  . . .    Thanks gents :y
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Re: Fuel pump issue ? is it fubared ?
« Reply #8 on: 28 February 2021, 12:07:01 »

How's your German clicky   ;D
that's a saloon ,removing the pump from tank but the estate will be similar

struggling to find a take pump out of swirl pot video  :(
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Re: Fuel pump issue ? is it fubared ?
« Reply #9 on: 28 February 2021, 12:28:59 »


Is replacing just the pump fairly straight forward . . . as in get access to whole pump assembly through estate load area floor, take pump out of "swirl pot"  , replace and reassemble / :-\

Thanks for your reply. :y


The internal hose clamps are probably single use, but that's easily sorted.
The swirl pot clips together, and is old plastic so a bit of care is necessary.
The actual pump is a pretty standard part and shouldn't cost much.
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Re: Fuel pump issue ? is it fubared ?
« Reply #10 on: 28 February 2021, 12:38:32 »

Good advice from Nick :)
I forgot about fuel line clamps ,it's something I've always got "in stock"  :-[
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Re: Fuel pump issue ? is it fubared ?
« Reply #11 on: 28 February 2021, 12:50:15 »

Good advice from Nick :)
I forgot about fuel line clamps ,it's something I've always got "in stock" :-[


Yes so do I, along with ones suitable for radiator and heater hoses.
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Re: Fuel pump issue ? is it fubared ?
« Reply #12 on: 28 February 2021, 15:12:56 »

As I read it. . There are saloon and estate types  . The 21 Lucas one is listed as not suitable for estate.  Same company do estate version of Lucas one for 29  can any confirm there are 2 types please?
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Re: Fuel pump issue ? is it fubared ?
« Reply #13 on: 28 February 2021, 16:30:23 »

As I read it. . There are saloon and estate types  . The 21 Lucas one is listed as not suitable for estate.  Same company do estate version of Lucas one for 29  can any confirm there are 2 types please?


For the 8 difference I'd buy the one they list for estates without a second thought.
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Re: Fuel pump issue ? is it fubared ?
« Reply #14 on: 28 February 2021, 16:35:46 »

 
pump clicky 9196213 is showing for caravan (estate) and saloon
https://vauxhall.7zap.com/en/car/v94/g/0/23-1/#4 
Bosch one does state saloon and caravan
It's very odd ,
OPEL Omega B Caravan (V94) (Year of Construction 04.1994 - 07.2003, 144 - 218 PS, Petrol)
2.2 16V (F35, M35, P35), Year of Construction 09.1999 - 07.2003, 2198 ccm, 144 PS
2.6 V6 (F35, M35, P35), Year of Construction 09.2000 - 07.2003, 2597 ccm, 180 PS
3.0 V6 (F35, M35, P35), Year of Construction 04.1994 - 02.2001, 2962 ccm, 211 PS
3.2 V6 (F35, M35, P35), Year of Construction 02.2001 - 07.2003, 3175 ccm, 218 PS
and
OPEL Omega B Saloon (V94) (Year of Construction 04.1994 - 07.2003, 144 - 218 PS, Petrol)
2.2 16V (F69, M69, P69), Year of Construction 09.1999 - 07.2003, 2198 ccm, 144 PS
2.6 V6 (F69, M69, P69), Year of Construction 09.2000 - 07.2003, 2597 ccm, 180 PS
3.0 V6 (F69, M69, P69), Year of Construction 04.1994 - 02.2001, 2962 ccm, 211 PS
3.2 V6 (F69, M69, P69), Year of Construction 02.2001 - 07.2003, 3175 ccm, 218 PS

but
VAUXHALL Omega (B) Saloon (V94) (Year of Construction 04.1994 - 07.2003, 180 - 218 PS, Petrol)
2.6 V6, Year of Construction 08.2000 - 07.2003, 2597 ccm, 180 PS
3.0 V6, Year of Construction 04.1994 - 07.2000, 2962 ccm, 211 PS
3.2 V6, Year of Construction 02.2001 - 07.2003, 3175 ccm, 218 PS
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Re: Fuel pump issue ? is it fubared ?
« Reply #16 on: 28 February 2021, 19:19:11 »

Swapping the pump out takes less than an hour.

Relay is a red herring if thumping the tank makes it run.

Carpet out, six screws on the stainless plate.
Unscrew the retaining ring with a blunt screw driver/block of wood. It's bastid tight, but not secured by magic.
Unclip the fuel lines and tuck to one side.
Pry the lid off.
Three clips hold the pump carrier in the swirl pot.
Either replace or swap out the pump alone.

Bish, bash bosh :y

The actual pump is common to both saloon and estate. Buy the most convenient and swap it into your original assembly ;)
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Re: Fuel pump issue ? is it fubared ?
« Reply #17 on: 28 February 2021, 20:38:53 »

When you get to it, you'll find there's three tabs around the edge of the swirl pot holding it into the base in the tank. Press them in at the same time and the pot lifts out. You then work round the top and squeeze together each of the serrated tabs arrowed below, which releases the pump retainer piece in the middle. My new Chinesium pump came with a new pickup filter too - not bad for 25 quid next day from Amazon...

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Re: Fuel pump issue ? is it fubared ?
« Reply #18 on: 01 March 2021, 10:07:30 »

See how long it lasts at that price :-X
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Re: Fuel pump issue ? is it fubared ?
« Reply #19 on: 01 March 2021, 11:25:25 »

The Bosch one is 34.32 if you select first class post
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« Reply #20 on: 01 March 2021, 12:32:28 »

Indeed. Worth the extra 10
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« Reply #21 on: 01 March 2021, 12:41:37 »

OK Thanks  gents all info and advice taken on board. Excellent info and pics as usual from you OOFers.Will go for the Bosch one  :y :y . . . . . When I'm up to speed to be able to tackle it  :'( :'(
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« Reply #22 on: 01 March 2021, 14:54:06 »

The fumes will clear the crevices out :y
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« Reply #23 on: 05 March 2021, 13:41:22 »

Ok  have had Bosch pump delivered. Got assistance to attempt to do it .   But pump is different part No. from my original . 

The box has a seal on it , so reluctant to open , but my original pump is longer that the box the new one comes in  . . .
not good :-\

Original part no. is 0 580 453 985    new one supplied is  0 580 453 489   could this be an updated compatible part ?

Waiting for supplier to e mail back as reluctant to break seal and then they wont take it back  . . .but thought I would ask on here while waiting.        TIA Al   :y
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Re: Fuel pump issue ? is it fubared ?
« Reply #24 on: 05 March 2021, 14:28:45 »

Was the one you bought listed for an estate? If so, open the box, take a photo of both pumps side by side and contact the supplier.


Perhaps the difference in length is due to the shallow, wide, underfloor estate tank compared to the deep, upright saloon one?
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« Reply #25 on: 05 March 2021, 14:37:41 »

So far as I can see, GM part #9196213 is Bosch 0 580 453 489. Same as dave the builder linked to below. And it's a fuel pump for an Omega B.
However it doesn't seem to be the same as the one fitted to your car.
Bosch 0 580 453 985 appears to be GM #9119098 which is NLS. It's superseded by GM #93181359 also used on Astra G and Vectra B.
I think you need to compare your pump with a good picture of a GM #93181359.

cross referencing on https://www.autodoc.co.uk/bosch/1156426

the Bosch one also states saloon and estate in the ebay listing

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fuel-Pump-fits-OPEL-OMEGA-B-2-6-In-tank-00-to-03-Y26SE-Bosch-815038-9196213-New/333841712077?fits=Model%3AOmega&hash=item4dba8443cd:g:cS0AAOSwcMlf7F9f
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« Reply #26 on: 05 March 2021, 15:02:57 »

Supplier says if box is opened they will not exchange or refund. Yet another nightmare of online shopping. 
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« Reply #27 on: 05 March 2021, 15:19:46 »

Supplier says if box is opened they will not exchange or refund. Yet another nightmare of online shopping.


Good point.
But if your pump is longer than the box, the pump inside it can't be right.
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« Reply #28 on: 05 March 2021, 15:47:03 »

the part no. of the original pump  0 580 453 985    comes up as being for a senator on my googaling.  So do I try and find one of those and just order it ? 

also going to check the numbers on the Lucas one that Dave found  and posted up   :-\

update :  the Lucas one is the same number as the newly supplied one   ends in 489   :'( :'( :'(

So now gonna search for a pump with this number  0 580 453 985
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« Reply #29 on: 05 March 2021, 16:10:56 »

Might help if you post up a good picture of your pump.

Your original part is NLS and superseded, hence I'm wondering if the later part can still be used with the earlier swirl-pot?

Might this be the pump you need, Delphi version.
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« Reply #30 on: 05 March 2021, 16:24:51 »

Might help if you post up a good picture of your pump.

Your original part is NLS and superseded, hence I'm wondering if the later part can still be used with the earlier swirl-pot?

Might this be the pump you need, Delphi version.

No  thats not it . . .I'm sorry but cant do pics  . . (PC muppet )  But . . I think I have found one that corresponds to the OE

Bosch number .  It is E bay item  233798369125      any thoughts on this might be the one ? :-\ :-\

As regarding trying the later one to see if will fit ,   the supplier wont take it back if I break the seal  on the box to investigate  . .  >:( >:(
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« Reply #31 on: 05 March 2021, 16:59:00 »

Might help if you post up a good picture of your pump.

Your original part is NLS and superseded, hence I'm wondering if the later part can still be used with the earlier swirl-pot?

Might this be the pump you need, Delphi version.

Hi Enceladus . .apologies, that could well be the one ,  its the right size. i was confused by the outlet having no hole in it , it probably has a bung/cover on it in that photo.  But still cant link that Delphi pump to the Bosch number  :-\ :-\
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« Reply #32 on: 05 March 2021, 18:42:23 »

The Delphi FE0435-12B1 cross references the GM part # 93181359 and also the NLS GM #9119098. Your Bosch appears to be GM 9119098. The Lucas FDB1038 also cross references the Delphi FE0435-12B1.

The Bosch 0 580 453 985 seems to be hard to come by and may be north of 200. 305 for a new GM/Vauxhall branded.

I have no idea if the Delphi would be better bet than the Lucas. It was simply the first and cheapest that I came across where I believed it accurately cross referenced the GM part numbers.

Since it's an Autodoc listing it may well ship from Germany and be subject to Brexit delays, so might be better to buy the Lucas as it seems to be in the UK.

Update: This looks like a genuine GM swirl-pot complete with pump @ 130.
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Re: Fuel pump issue ? is it fubared ?
« Reply #33 on: 05 March 2021, 20:39:06 »

Now that you've got it out, it might be easier to take it to your nearest motor factors so you get a suitable part.
These things are all pretty standard/generic, so one that's physically the same will do.
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Re: Fuel pump issue ? is it fubared ?
« Reply #34 on: 05 March 2021, 20:43:24 »

this is being made far more complex than it needs due to hundreds of part numbers  :D
parts get superseded all the time
the bosch pump is 4 bar ,Lucas one is only 3 bar
the slight difference in length will be taken up by the flexible hose (15,16,17 or 18) clicky
 
0 580 453 985 is
 8 15 036 OPEL
 9119098 OPEL
 9119098 VAUXHALL
astra carlton, cavalier ,omega B (saloon and estate) vectra B,  tigra etc


 0 580 453 489 is
9196213 9231014 opel and vauxhall 9196213


https://spareto.com/products/bosch-fuel-pump/0-580-453-489
click on "installed on vehicles" tab
OPEL OMEGA B (25_, 26_, 27_) 3.2 V6
OPEL OMEGA B Estate (21_, 22_, 23_) 2.6 V6
OPEL OMEGA B Estate (21_, 22_, 23_) 2.2 16V
OPEL OMEGA B (25_, 26_, 27_) 2.6 V6
VAUXH OMEGA (B) Estate 3.0 V6
VAUXH OMEGA (B) Estate 2.6 V6
etc etc



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Re: Fuel pump issue ? is it fubared ?
« Reply #35 on: 05 March 2021, 21:09:43 »

I would open the box to compare the pump body with the existing one. They may well be the same, with the difference being the pump casing rather than the pump itself  ;)
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« Reply #36 on: 05 March 2021, 21:14:13 »

I would open the box to compare the pump body with the existing one. They may well be the same, with the difference being the pump casing rather than the pump itself  ;)

Yes doc  . . .so would I  .  .but supplier says he will NOT refund or exchange once the seal on the packing is opened . 

But  .  .just thinking  . .F8uk it  , Its only 32
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Re: Fuel pump issue ? is it fubared ?
« Reply #37 on: 05 March 2021, 21:15:01 »

this is being made far more complex than it needs due to hundreds of part numbers  :D
parts get superseded all the time
the bosch pump is 4 bar ,Lucas one is only 3 bar
the slight difference in length will be taken up by the flexible hose (15,16,17 or 18) clicky



It does need to be retained by the fittings and in the fuel.


But I do agree, it's not difficult to make one work.
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« Reply #38 on: 05 March 2021, 21:21:24 »

I would open the box to compare the pump body with the existing one. They may well be the same, with the difference being the pump casing rather than the pump itself  ;)

Yes doc  . . .so would I  .  .but supplier says he will NOT refund or exchange once the seal on the packing is opened . 

But  .  .just thinking  . .F8uk it  , Its only 32
If it's stupidly different, then simply throw it back on ebay.

Also Dave raises a good point the fuel regulator is 3.5 Bar on the 3.2 so that Lucus one is NFG ;)
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« Reply #39 on: 05 March 2021, 21:22:02 »

this is being made far more complex than it needs due to hundreds of part numbers  :D
parts get superseded all the time
the bosch pump is 4 bar ,Lucas one is only 3 bar
the slight difference in length will be taken up by the flexible hose (15,16,17 or 18) clicky
 
0 580 453 985 is
 8 15 036 OPEL
 9119098 OPEL
 9119098 VAUXHALL
astra carlton, cavalier ,omega B (saloon and estate) vectra B,  tigra etc


 0 580 453 489 is
9196213 9231014 opel and vauxhall 9196213


https://spareto.com/products/bosch-fuel-pump/0-580-453-489
click on "installed on vehicles" tab
OPEL OMEGA B (25_, 26_, 27_) 3.2 V6
OPEL OMEGA B Estate (21_, 22_, 23_) 2.6 V6
OPEL OMEGA B Estate (21_, 22_, 23_) 2.2 16V
OPEL OMEGA B (25_, 26_, 27_) 2.6 V6
VAUXH OMEGA (B) Estate 3.0 V6
VAUXH OMEGA (B) Estate 2.6 V6
etc etc

Dave ,its about 30-35 mm shorter at a guess,  if the pump is shorter , then the centre plastic locking ring No.8 in the exploded diagram will not hold the pump in place . It will not be able to push down on to the top of the pump.  Pump sits in No.9 then part no. 8 goes over the top and clips it in .  My original pump seems to be the largest of those three shown , No. 2 I think

Having a mare with this  . . . :'( :'( :'(    think I'll go electric next time  ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #40 on: 05 March 2021, 21:40:38 »



Having a mare with this  . . . :'( :'( :'(    think I'll go electric next time  ;D ;D ;D
the fuel pump is electric , and that's not working out well  :D

the screen (6 or 7 ) will hold the pump down if the weight of the pump don't  ;)

if it fits in the swirl pot (not too fat) slap it in ,
i imagine the 30-35 mm is well in the movement of the delivery pipe without reducing the flow

I had similar (smaller pump than what was fitted)  walbro ? in tank pump in a picasso , pumped the diesel just fine  :y

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« Reply #41 on: 05 March 2021, 21:41:40 »

Have you opened it yet? Guessing diffences from an EPC picture is a quick route to assumption  ;)
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« Reply #42 on: 05 March 2021, 22:05:40 »



Having a mare with this  . . . :'( :'( :'(    think I'll go electric next time  ;D ;D ;D



Yes, getting one that just fits should be an open the box and clip it in job.


Send it back.
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« Reply #43 on: 05 March 2021, 22:16:59 »



Having a mare with this  . . . :'( :'( :'(    think I'll go electric next time  ;D ;D ;D



Yes, getting one that just fits should be an open the box and clip it in job.


Send it back.
he hasn't got as far as .....
 
open the box
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« Reply #44 on: 05 March 2021, 22:21:48 »



Having a mare with this  . . . :'( :'( :'(    think I'll go electric next time  ;D ;D ;D
the fuel pump is electric , and that's not working out well  :D

the screen (6 or 7 ) will hold the pump down if the weight of the pump don't  ;)

if it fits in the swirl pot (not too fat) slap it in ,
i imagine the 30-35 mm is well in the movement of the delivery pipe without reducing the flow

I had similar (smaller pump than what was fitted)  walbro ? in tank pump in a picasso , pumped the diesel just fine  :y

"I'll think I'll go electric next time "  . . .I meant electric car  . . as in no petrol to pump   ;D ;D
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« Reply #45 on: 05 March 2021, 22:28:02 »

OK  guys ,, have opened the Bosch box . . .exactly as the Doc expected  .  .

as in the same as the colour piccy in Daves post reply #39. 

Looking at it I think it will be able to be made to fit and work. . but quite a bit shorter than what was in there . Same basic layout , gauze filter fits on bottom inlet, 2 power leads and outlet on top. May just have to make a spacer  so the centre plastic bit  ( No.8 ) holds the pump in place .

Will have a go tomorrow   . . .cheers all   :y
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« Reply #46 on: 05 March 2021, 22:50:18 »

 there's a 50 50 chance of getting those 2 wires "power leads" the wrong way round  ;)
unless you noted the original connections or they are marked
anything you make spacer wise needs to be fuel proof

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« Reply #47 on: 06 March 2021, 08:10:46 »

All marked and photos taken Dave. Red is+  blue is -.  Thinking of making spacer from copper or metal tubing.  Plastic plumbing waste pipe would be ideal but doubt it is fuel proof.
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« Reply #48 on: 06 March 2021, 10:49:52 »

This pump won't fit.  Too many differences to adapt.  Much shorter, different  smaller diameter, gauze filter won't fit on inlet which is different  size, locating pins on bottom of pump don't match up.  All bad news. 
Ordered another which supposedly  matches the original bosch number.  If that don't fit then its either  try and match up at a motor factors ,buy the complete swirl pot and pump  or get one from a breaker. . . Or scrap the car  :o :o :o
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« Reply #49 on: 06 March 2021, 11:06:38 »

Looking at the list of parts, there seems to be two choices, for the retainer and insert, but no indication of which goes with which pump.

Some even cross reference to later Astras for superceded parts...

Have swapped a handful of Omega pumps, and other than the fiddly part of unclipping the pump assembly from the basket, have always gone to plan. Sounds like that was pure luck :o

You know the running issue is the pump itself, so would be churlish to scrap it for the sake of a single, available part.  :-\

An unused new part will still have value, so it's not a total bust.

Also, and I know that it is used, so will have a limited life, this https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FUEL-PUMP-assembly-Omega-B-2-0-2-5-3-0-estate-saloon-9119098-93181359-Petrol-/113807236104 could be useful...

If you're lucky, the new pump will fit, if not it buys you time to get the correct pump for the existing casing.

Either way, this will drop straight in.  :y
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« Reply #50 on: 06 March 2021, 11:50:32 »

Ah yes. . Good detective work Doc.  If 2nd new one won't fit I will try that 30 quid used one you found.
Scrapping the car was mentioned purely out if frustration  ;D ;D >:(
Thanks for yours and everyone's help and input on this.   :y
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« Reply #51 on: 06 March 2021, 11:52:42 »

If nothing else it buys you time to get your one repaired  :y
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« Reply #52 on: 06 March 2021, 12:13:01 »

looking again at the part numbers etc , the dead pump and swirl pot fitted must have been replaced in the past with a part OLDER than the 2.6/3.2 as a complete assembly including swirl pot .

NEW 4 BAR  fuel parts pump 15.03
size wise 38mm x 114mm tall  :-\
what size is the original old non working pump ?
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« Reply #53 on: 06 March 2021, 13:32:48 »

Original pump body is 44mm diameter and case is 98mm long. Overall end to end of the inlet and outlet tubes is 150mm.

Agree Dave it could well have been changed to the earlier version but did not look like anyone had been in there previously.  Original vx fuel pipepinch clips seemed untouched

The replacement  bosch i was sent is 38mm diameter  88m long  and 112mm end to end of the in and out
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« Reply #54 on: 06 March 2021, 15:05:53 »

Y :you've a pm. Just the pump or as it's removed with all the gubbins.

 Check the relay, think it's purple one,
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« Reply #55 on: 06 March 2021, 16:04:19 »

Y :you've a pm. Just the pump or as it's removed with all the gubbins.

 Check the relay, think it's purple one,

PM replied to  :y
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« Reply #56 on: 06 March 2021, 17:53:28 »

looking again at the part numbers etc , the dead pump and swirl pot fitted must have been replaced in the past with a part OLDER than the 2.6/3.2 as a complete assembly including swirl pot .

NEW 4 BAR  fuel parts pump 15.03
size wise 38mm x 114mm tall  :-\
what size is the original old non working pump ?

I'm not so sure about that. The Vauxhall / Opel EPC at nemigaparts.com says that:

(Y22XE), Z22XE, Y26SE & Y32SE saloons use pump 9196213,
(Y22XE), Z22XE, Y26SE & Y32SE estates use pump 9119098.

So later estates and saloons have different pumps.
The OP has a 2.6 estate and the pump actually fitted is indeed 9119098. However 9119098 is NLS and superseded by 93181359.

So the pump required would be 9119098 or 93181359. Or a third party equivalent.
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« Reply #57 on: 07 March 2021, 09:31:03 »

Thanks Enceladus . . .again good info and detective work  . . Thank you :y  Oof at its best  :y
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« Reply #58 on: 12 March 2021, 19:45:09 »

Finally got this sorted after a calamity of errors by e bay supplier. Used a 2nd hand pump . See general car chat
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« Reply #59 on: 12 March 2021, 19:50:55 »

Finally got this sorted after a calamity of errors by e bay supplier. Used a 2nd hand pump . See general car chat
Must be the week for it ::) Alot of these projects/jobs would be a lot easier if suppliers weren't so useless...
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