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[STEMO]

And another thing; Boris and Carrie seem to have decided their offspring is female. Surely that's up to the baby?
From now on we must say that a child has been born, it's sexual preference will be be announced at a later date.

You're confusing sexual identity and preference. Two very different things.

You keep saying this, Nick.

But for 99.9% of people they are a matching pair.

Ignorance is no defence. Never has been.
Unfortunately, it mixes well with stupidity.
Garnish that mixture with truculence and you have a powerful, but useless combination

As a matter of interest what proportion of people in the UK do you think were 'born in the wrong body'?

With a bit of reluctance I will just give a brief answer: up to one in 5,000 is one of the latest estimates, but many just suffer in silence until death, either deliberate, accidental or because they cannot face the ignorant abuse they get if they "come out".

This amounts to just 0.02% Lizzie meaning 99.98% feel they were born in the right body.

People can identify as they like but for obvious reasons Trans women should not be allowed to compete in women's sport, and should not be allowed into private 'women only' spaces.

Once again you are relating to percentages to demean the plight of the trans community. In fact we could be talking up to 650,000 individuals in just the UK’s population, but of course they do not matter to someone like you.

As for your other comments it is clear you have taken no notice of the facts I have highlighted in all my posts on this subject, so as your opinions matter not to me I will say no more before we go in circles again.

Once again you hve taken the bait Lizzie....                                                                                         

Hmmm....maths does not seem to be your strong point, Lizzie.

You say that 'people born in the wrong body' amount to 1 person in every 5000...which I broadly agree with.

But then you go on to say there are 650,000 of such people in the UK. .....really.

So 650,000 multiplied by 5000 gives us.....a lot more than the 65 million or so who live in the UK.

I get 3.25 Billion....not far short of half the total population of the Earth.

Perhaps I have this wrong.

1 in every 5000 is a measley 14000 people, taking the population to be 70,000,000

[Lizzie Zoom]

And another thing; Boris and Carrie seem to have decided their offspring is female. Surely that's up to the baby?
From now on we must say that a child has been born, it's sexual preference will be be announced at a later date.

You're confusing sexual identity and preference. Two very different things.

You keep saying this, Nick.

But for 99.9% of people they are a matching pair.

Ignorance is no defence. Never has been.
Unfortunately, it mixes well with stupidity.
Garnish that mixture with truculence and you have a powerful, but useless combination

As a matter of interest what proportion of people in the UK do you think were 'born in the wrong body'?

With a bit of reluctance I will just give a brief answer: up to one in 5,000 is one of the latest estimates, but many just suffer in silence until death, either deliberate, accidental or because they cannot face the ignorant abuse they get if they "come out".

This amounts to just 0.02% Lizzie meaning 99.98% feel they were born in the right body.

People can identify as they like but for obvious reasons Trans women should not be allowed to compete in women's sport, and should not be allowed into private 'women only' spaces.

Once again you are relating to percentages to demean the plight of the trans community. In fact we could be talking up to 650,000 individuals in just the UK’s population, but of course they do not matter to someone like you.

As for your other comments it is clear you have taken no notice of the facts I have highlighted in all my posts on this subject, so as your opinions matter not to me I will say no more before we go in circles again.

Once again you hve taken the bait Lizzie....                                                                                         

Yep, I know Sir Tigger, but I just cannot let ignorance and stupidity go unchallenged

Lizzie loves to go the full Mary Whitehouse on us.

She will educate us all whether we want to be educated or not.

It is her duty.

It is her destiny.

I will never be like her, but not all what should said was wrong.

Just look around and see what type of society we have now and how a lot of people on here, let alone out there, think about it and the size of the Welfare Bill now.

But she was wrong on all too many other issues apparently, without me making the judgement some will expect!!

[Lizzie Zoom]

And another thing; Boris and Carrie seem to have decided their offspring is female. Surely that's up to the baby?
From now on we must say that a child has been born, it's sexual preference will be be announced at a later date.

You're confusing sexual identity and preference. Two very different things.

You keep saying this, Nick.

But for 99.9% of people they are a matching pair.

Ignorance is no defence. Never has been.
Unfortunately, it mixes well with stupidity.
Garnish that mixture with truculence and you have a powerful, but useless combination

As a matter of interest what proportion of people in the UK do you think were 'born in the wrong body'?

With a bit of reluctance I will just give a brief answer: up to one in 5,000 is one of the latest estimates, but many just suffer in silence until death, either deliberate, accidental or because they cannot face the ignorant abuse they get if they "come out".

This amounts to just 0.02% Lizzie meaning 99.98% feel they were born in the right body.

People can identify as they like but for obvious reasons Trans women should not be allowed to compete in women's sport, and should not be allowed into private 'women only' spaces.

Once again you are relating to percentages to demean the plight of the trans community. In fact we could be talking up to 650,000 individuals in just the UK’s population, but of course they do not matter to someone like you.

As for your other comments it is clear you have taken no notice of the facts I have highlighted in all my posts on this subject, so as your opinions matter not to me I will say no more before we go in circles again.

Once again you hve taken the bait Lizzie....                                                                                         

Hmmm....maths does not seem to be your strong point, Lizzie.

You say that 'people born in the wrong body' amount to 1 person in every 5000...which I broadly agree with.

But then you go on to say there are 650,000 of such people in the UK. .....really.

So 650,000 multiplied by 5000 gives us.....a lot more than the 65 million or so who live in the UK.

I get 3.25 Billion....not far short of half the total population of the Earth.

Perhaps I have this wrong.

1 in every 5000 is a measley 14000 people, taking the population to be 70,000,000

So if you are one of the 13,000 you do not matter?

I will not take that (political) argument any further.....................

[STEMO]

And another thing; Boris and Carrie seem to have decided their offspring is female. Surely that's up to the baby?
From now on we must say that a child has been born, it's sexual preference will be be announced at a later date.

You're confusing sexual identity and preference. Two very different things.

You keep saying this, Nick.

But for 99.9% of people they are a matching pair.

Ignorance is no defence. Never has been.
Unfortunately, it mixes well with stupidity.
Garnish that mixture with truculence and you have a powerful, but useless combination

As a matter of interest what proportion of people in the UK do you think were 'born in the wrong body'?

With a bit of reluctance I will just give a brief answer: up to one in 5,000 is one of the latest estimates, but many just suffer in silence until death, either deliberate, accidental or because they cannot face the ignorant abuse they get if they "come out".

This amounts to just 0.02% Lizzie meaning 99.98% feel they were born in the right body.

People can identify as they like but for obvious reasons Trans women should not be allowed to compete in women's sport, and should not be allowed into private 'women only' spaces.

Once again you are relating to percentages to demean the plight of the trans community. In fact we could be talking up to 650,000 individuals in just the UK’s population, but of course they do not matter to someone like you.

As for your other comments it is clear you have taken no notice of the facts I have highlighted in all my posts on this subject, so as your opinions matter not to me I will say no more before we go in circles again.

Once again you hve taken the bait Lizzie....                                                                                         

Hmmm....maths does not seem to be your strong point, Lizzie.

You say that 'people born in the wrong body' amount to 1 person in every 5000...which I broadly agree with.

But then you go on to say there are 650,000 of such people in the UK. .....really.

So 650,000 multiplied by 5000 gives us.....a lot more than the 65 million or so who live in the UK.

I get 3.25 Billion....not far short of half the total population of the Earth.

Perhaps I have this wrong.

1 in every 5000 is a measley 14000 people, taking the population to be 70,000,000

So if you are one of the 13,000 you do not matter?

I will not take that (political) argument any further.....................

Correct.

[Lizzie Zoom]

And another thing; Boris and Carrie seem to have decided their offspring is female. Surely that's up to the baby?
From now on we must say that a child has been born, it's sexual preference will be be announced at a later date.

You're confusing sexual identity and preference. Two very different things.

You keep saying this, Nick.

But for 99.9% of people they are a matching pair.

Ignorance is no defence. Never has been.
Unfortunately, it mixes well with stupidity.
Garnish that mixture with truculence and you have a powerful, but useless combination

As a matter of interest what proportion of people in the UK do you think were 'born in the wrong body'?

With a bit of reluctance I will just give a brief answer: up to one in 5,000 is one of the latest estimates, but many just suffer in silence until death, either deliberate, accidental or because they cannot face the ignorant abuse they get if they "come out".

This amounts to just 0.02% Lizzie meaning 99.98% feel they were born in the right body.

People can identify as they like but for obvious reasons Trans women should not be allowed to compete in women's sport, and should not be allowed into private 'women only' spaces.

Once again you are relating to percentages to demean the plight of the trans community. In fact we could be talking up to 650,000 individuals in just the UK’s population, but of course they do not matter to someone like you.

As for your other comments it is clear you have taken no notice of the facts I have highlighted in all my posts on this subject, so as your opinions matter not to me I will say no more before we go in circles again.

Once again you hve taken the bait Lizzie....                                                                                         

Hmmm....maths does not seem to be your strong point, Lizzie.

You say that 'people born in the wrong body' amount to 1 person in every 5000...which I broadly agree with.

But then you go on to say there are 650,000 of such people in the UK. .....really.

So 650,000 multiplied by 5000 gives us.....a lot more than the 65 million or so who live in the UK.

I get 3.25 Billion....not far short of half the total population of the Earth.

Perhaps I have this wrong.

1 in every 5000 is a measley 14000 people, taking the population to be 70,000,000

So if you are one of the 13,000 you do not matter?

I will not take that (political) argument any further.....................

Correct.

So my right wing, National Socialist views may be right after all.......................

Where shall we start.....................?

.............and who shall decide........................?

[STEMO]

And another thing; Boris and Carrie seem to have decided their offspring is female. Surely that's up to the baby?
From now on we must say that a child has been born, it's sexual preference will be be announced at a later date.

You're confusing sexual identity and preference. Two very different things.

You keep saying this, Nick.

But for 99.9% of people they are a matching pair.

Ignorance is no defence. Never has been.
Unfortunately, it mixes well with stupidity.
Garnish that mixture with truculence and you have a powerful, but useless combination

As a matter of interest what proportion of people in the UK do you think were 'born in the wrong body'?

With a bit of reluctance I will just give a brief answer: up to one in 5,000 is one of the latest estimates, but many just suffer in silence until death, either deliberate, accidental or because they cannot face the ignorant abuse they get if they "come out".

This amounts to just 0.02% Lizzie meaning 99.98% feel they were born in the right body.

People can identify as they like but for obvious reasons Trans women should not be allowed to compete in women's sport, and should not be allowed into private 'women only' spaces.

Once again you are relating to percentages to demean the plight of the trans community. In fact we could be talking up to 650,000 individuals in just the UK’s population, but of course they do not matter to someone like you.

As for your other comments it is clear you have taken no notice of the facts I have highlighted in all my posts on this subject, so as your opinions matter not to me I will say no more before we go in circles again.

Once again you hve taken the bait Lizzie....                                                                                         

Hmmm....maths does not seem to be your strong point, Lizzie.

You say that 'people born in the wrong body' amount to 1 person in every 5000...which I broadly agree with.

But then you go on to say there are 650,000 of such people in the UK. .....really.

So 650,000 multiplied by 5000 gives us.....a lot more than the 65 million or so who live in the UK.

I get 3.25 Billion....not far short of half the total population of the Earth.

Perhaps I have this wrong.

1 in every 5000 is a measley 14000 people, taking the population to be 70,000,000

So if you are one of the 13,000 you do not matter?

I will not take that (political) argument any further.....................

Correct.

So my right wing, National Socialist views may be right after all.......................

Where shall we start.....................?

.............and who shall decide........................?

I'll decide. With the 13,000 

[Lizzie Zoom]

And another thing; Boris and Carrie seem to have decided their offspring is female. Surely that's up to the baby?
From now on we must say that a child has been born, it's sexual preference will be be announced at a later date.

You're confusing sexual identity and preference. Two very different things.

You keep saying this, Nick.

But for 99.9% of people they are a matching pair.

Ignorance is no defence. Never has been.
Unfortunately, it mixes well with stupidity.
Garnish that mixture with truculence and you have a powerful, but useless combination

As a matter of interest what proportion of people in the UK do you think were 'born in the wrong body'?

With a bit of reluctance I will just give a brief answer: up to one in 5,000 is one of the latest estimates, but many just suffer in silence until death, either deliberate, accidental or because they cannot face the ignorant abuse they get if they "come out".

This amounts to just 0.02% Lizzie meaning 99.98% feel they were born in the right body.

People can identify as they like but for obvious reasons Trans women should not be allowed to compete in women's sport, and should not be allowed into private 'women only' spaces.

Once again you are relating to percentages to demean the plight of the trans community. In fact we could be talking up to 650,000 individuals in just the UK’s population, but of course they do not matter to someone like you.

As for your other comments it is clear you have taken no notice of the facts I have highlighted in all my posts on this subject, so as your opinions matter not to me I will say no more before we go in circles again.

Once again you hve taken the bait Lizzie....                                                                                         

Hmmm....maths does not seem to be your strong point, Lizzie.

You say that 'people born in the wrong body' amount to 1 person in every 5000...which I broadly agree with.

But then you go on to say there are 650,000 of such people in the UK. .....really.

So 650,000 multiplied by 5000 gives us.....a lot more than the 65 million or so who live in the UK.

I get 3.25 Billion....not far short of half the total population of the Earth.

Perhaps I have this wrong.

1 in every 5000 is a measley 14000 people, taking the population to be 70,000,000

So if you are one of the 13,000 you do not matter?

I will not take that (political) argument any further.....................

Correct.

So my right wing, National Socialist views may be right after all.......................

Where shall we start.....................?

.............and who shall decide........................?

I'll decide. With the 13,000

OK, fair enough Steve.  Just make sure I am not included as about the only woman on the OOF!

[Doctor Gollum]

Are you sure?

[Lizzie Zoom]

Are you sure?

Yes, how many do you see posting on here now?

Many have been scared off

[STEMO]

Are you sure?

Yes, how many do you see posting on here now?

Many have been scared off

Countrywoman posted earlier.

[STEMO]

Are you sure?

Hmmmm......trying to work out what you meant by that 

[Lizzie Zoom]

Are you sure?

Yes, how many do you see posting on here now?

Many have been scared off

Countrywoman posted earlier.

Yes, so there are two of us!!

How many men?

[STEMO]

Are you sure?

Yes, how many do you see posting on here now?

Many have been scared off

Countrywoman posted earlier.

Yes, so there are two of us!!

How many men?

Car forums are for men. Washing up liquid forums are for women 

[TD]

Are you sure?

Yes, how many do you see posting on here now?

Many have been scared off

Countrywoman posted earlier.

Yes, so there are two of us!!

How many men?

Car forums are for men. Washing up liquid forums are for women 

and knitting forums 

[Sir Tigger KC]

Are you sure?

Yes, how many do you see posting on here now?

Many have been scared off

Countrywoman posted earlier.

Yes, so there are two of us!!

How many men?

Car forums are for men. Washing up liquid forums are for women 

and knitting forums 

Rumour has it that Lord Opti is into knitting. 

Apparently he likes to knit his own merkins' and has a fine collection in a range of colours and styles. 

If you ask nicely he may lend you one!