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[Varche]

So we have the pro Russian yanks negotiating with Russia without Ukraine or for that matter Europe present.

This despite Europe now bankrolling the war effort. Europe does have a leader ( VDL) who could get the none EU leaders onside and agreeing. However they cannot even agree on how to use the seized assets , mostly held by Brussels let alone how to get peace. Meanwhile Russia is waging cyber war and drone intrusions here in Europe.

Anyone else feel that the war will grind on and on until Russia gets Ukraine and Europe absorbs the displaced Ukrainians?

[dave the builder]

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Anyone else feel that the war will grind on and on until Russia gets Ukraine and Europe absorbs the displaced Ukrainians?

it won't STOP there 

[Sir Tigger KC]

I read earlier that Britain only has 14 large artillery guns, 40 odd operational tanks and no air defences, so if it does become a wider conflict we're fooked because if Putin does start lobbing missiles about, London or somewhere like RAF Coningsby/HMNB Portsmouth will be a prime targets! 

Meanwhile our ragtag bunch of student activists who currently run this country, lie about the state of the nations finances so they can 'ask people to pay a little bit more' so they can dish out more money in benefits to placate their restive leftie back benchers. 

[STEMO]

I was going to have a rant and try to list everything that's wrong with the UK, and the rest of the world. But I thought that would take too long, as there are so many.
So, instead, I thought I'd list everything that's going well at the moment.
Here it is:

[Varche]

I read earlier that Britain only has 14 large artillery guns, 40 odd operational tanks and no air defences, so if it does become a wider conflict we're fooked because if Putin does start lobbing missiles about, London or somewhere like RAF Coningsby/HMNB Portsmouth will be a prime targets! 

Meanwhile our ragtag bunch of student activists who currently run this country, lie about the state of the nations finances so they can 'ask people to pay a little bit more' so they can dish out more money in benefits to placate their restive leftie back benchers.  ::)what.  30%

A defence expert said the uk only has defence against incoming missile, drones at military bases.

Rachel from accounts had the perfect opportunity to say we are defenceless and need to spend the black hole on defence.. even the rich would have swallowed that. 2.6 % of gdp is just not enough when Russia is spending what    30%

Buy shares in any military drone making company

[Kevin Wood]

If Europe could make a decision about it, it wouldn't take much more support for Ukraine (along with more sanctions against Russia) to turn Putin's feeling that he's gradually winning to one of gradually losing.
That would be a game changer. The US can't be relied upon to do the right thing so Europe's future is in Europe's hands...

[STEMO]

If Europe could make a decision about it, it wouldn't take much more support for Ukraine (along with more sanctions against Russia) to turn Putin's feeling that he's gradually winning to one of gradually losing.
That would be a game changer. The US can't be relied upon to do the right thing so Europe's future is in Europe's hands...

Since when has 'Europe' ever made a decision, about anything? Too many competing interests, ideas and cultures. If Russia nuked the UK, Europe would find a way to say that we're not really European and, anyway, it's our own fault for being so British.

[Kevin Wood]

If Europe could make a decision about it, it wouldn't take much more support for Ukraine (along with more sanctions against Russia) to turn Putin's feeling that he's gradually winning to one of gradually losing.
That would be a game changer. The US can't be relied upon to do the right thing so Europe's future is in Europe's hands...

Since when has 'Europe' ever made a decision, about anything? Too many competing interests, ideas and cultures. If Russia nuked the UK, Europe would find a way to say that we're not really European and, anyway, it's our own fault for being so British.

True, and exactly my point.

[Varche]

True, a very big failing of the EU. They would have to have some meetings to agree to move friendly forces through each others countries to defend…….oh and Hungary would veto.

Here’s a thought. fag packet maths. Assuming Russia takes all of the Ukraine. How many would stay and become Russian citizens. ? Let’s say 30 million leave and are distributed equally across Europe
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Britains share? 70/500 x 30 =4,2 million. Where would they live? It would dwarf the illegal boat people!