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[Essex_Andy]

Ban Snail draggers from motorways after 6pm Friday, all day Saturday and before 5pm Sunday

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Cars towing

50 on normal
60 on DC and MWAY

Police turn a blind eye to sensible & well driven outfits at road limits.

Ah i see , i knew i shouldn't have them sitting on my back bumper at 62/100k's trying to get me out the way.

Actually there is a big safety reason for this and why I cruise at 65 to 70.

Overtaking a big vehicle the van does try to steer the car, but only to a little affect, accelerate past and it is fully stable.

When an HGV or a coach passes you the huge bow wave pushes the back of the caravan to the left, so the front to the right and is VERY unnerving - remember you are not accelerating and pulling the tow bar as much.

This is not a weight issue, this is simple aerodynamics, and the safest speed to travel is a little faster than the coaches and HGVs

Simple solution is to ban weekend pikeys from the roads...

No the simple solution with all this male indecision on their driving practices is to ban all men from the roads!!  

Make them go by public transport, so women can have the complete freedom of the road, going shopping, doing the school run, visiting relatives, and undertaking their business without intimidation from some sizeable number of the opposite gender in extensions of their intimate parts who do not recognize the limits of the vehicle they are driving and themselves!!
 
Sorry for all that chaps, but I just wanted to be contraversial as no two men will agree on the subject matter of this thread............well perhaps not until next weekend!!

[ballcock50]

Having read this post from start I find there are extremes of veiws, limiters can cause serious danger to many road users, a sixteen year old on a moped than can hardly keep up with traffic around town is putting his life in danger and that of others who attempt to over take for the sake of an extra 10 mph. Trucks on a long climb causing frustration to others following. A mini bus on an B road pushing it through a twisty section is probably far more dangerous than the same mini bus cruising at 70mph on an open road or motorway they may not reach the limiter on the B road but this doesn't make it safe. The driver should be the one in control yes you are limited by the vehicles capabilities but a good driver will asses this whilst making his/ her decisions. A bad driver will be a danger what ever you try to do. To have an extra control that has no regard for road conditions has got to be dangerous whether in this specific case or others, For example if you start an over take and a vehicle pulls from a side junction that hasn't seen you, having the choice of accelerating or braking may save lives. If following a slower vehicle in a line of traffic often when you pull out to over take the vehicle behind you has already filled the gap you were in leaving you no where to pull back into if you brake so having the option of accelerating above the speed limit is probably the safest response. Speed restrictors are the thin edge of the wedge of the government controling your driving habits
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[Andy B]

.... and 'make use' of hills to gain speed (never going over 60mph   )  ......

Ah! It wasn't you was it then right up my chuff going west down the hill on the M62 at 70 mph + ??        

If a quicker truck, usually Irish reg or eastern block or Italian I slow by a few KPH let it pass then back up to 56-ish.

That usually prevents the massive '10 mile overtake'

You must be on your own then mate. I've sat behind HGV's for bl00dy miles in the middle lane when I've had a caravan on the back.

Sorry but i may be wrong .... however i was led to believe a caravan  or  trailer had to stick to the same rules as a hgv???
I.e 40,50 and 60??...

You're right! And if you did 60 it'd be fine with me, but when you're doing 55.99999 mph & the bloke you attempted to overtake on the flat is doing 56. I 'm allowed & can do 60 uphill & down dale all day long.  

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Having read this post from start I find there are extremes of veiws, limiters can cause serious danger to many road users, a sixteen year old on a moped than can hardly keep up with traffic around town is putting his life in danger and that of others who attempt to over take for the sake of an extra 10 mph. Trucks on a long climb causing frustration to others following. A mini bus on an B road pushing it through a twisty section is probably far more dangerous than the same mini bus cruising at 70mph on an open road or motorway they may not reach the limiter on the B road but this doesn't make it safe. The driver should be the one in control yes you are limited by the vehicles capabilities but a good driver will asses this whilst making his/ her decisions. A bad driver will be a danger what ever you try to do. To have an extra control that has no regard for road conditions has got to be dangerous whether in this specific case or others, For example if you start an over take and a vehicle pulls from a side junction that hasn't seen you, having the choice of accelerating or braking may save lives. If following a slower vehicle in a line of traffic often when you pull out to over take the vehicle behind you has already filled the gap you were in leaving you no where to pull back into if you brake so having the option of accelerating above the speed limit is probably the safest response. Speed restrictors are the thin edge of the wedge of the government controling your driving habits
.

But you are all missing the point: Within the next few years there will be no space left to accelarate or speed in, not even for me, as congestion is soon to become overwhelming!!    

The only way to control the traffic safely will be by computer and satelite controlled vehicles on most main roads!

[ian6pot]

I fit Tachographs and speed limiters and hold the relevent cert.

Trucks are limited to 90k and coaches to 100k
And as from begining of this year transit type vans and above are limited to 100k.I dont think its introduced retrospectivley though but would have to check that.
Also the speed limiter sticker must be fitted in a place in the cab that can be seen from the drivers seat.That dosent mean its the first thing you see but if you look for it you must be able to see it.
You find alot of stickers fitted in the door frame which is inccorect but for some reason VOSA turn a blind eye to it a test time.
An exemption is blue light vehicles which have the speed limiter turned off for obviousl reasons.

[tyreburner]

.... and 'make use' of hills to gain speed (never going over 60mph   )  ......

Ah! It wasn't you was it then right up my chuff going west down the hill on the M62 at 70 mph + ??        

If a quicker truck, usually Irish reg or eastern block or Italian I slow by a few KPH let it pass then back up to 56-ish.

That usually prevents the massive '10 mile overtake'

You must be on your own then mate. I've sat behind HGV's for bl00dy miles in the middle lane when I've had a caravan on the back.

Sorry but i may be wrong .... however i was led to believe a caravan  or  trailer had to stick to the same rules as a hgv???
I.e 40,50 and 60??...

You're right! And if you did 60 it'd be fine with me, but when you're doing 55.99999 mph & the bloke you attempted to overtake on the flat is doing 56. I 'm allowed & can do 60 uphill & down dale all day long.  

I agree, they shouldnt overtake when the difference in speed is so minimal , a few roads have the no over 7.5t  overtaking scheme at peak times and i think its a good idea!
But in a coach i can do 62 Woohoo so it dont affect me  

And remember everyone as these hgv/pcv vehicles are capable of much more, they still have loads of torque(depending what you are carrying) right up to the point the limiter kicks in .so if you are a "good driver" you will know how to use that torque safely!

[tyreburner]

I fit Tachographs and speed limiters and hold the relevent cert.

Trucks are limited to 90k and coaches to 100k
And as from begining of this year transit type vans and above are limited to 100k.I dont think its introduced retrospectivley though but would have to check that.
Also the speed limiter sticker must be fitted in a place in the cab that can be seen from the drivers seat.That dosent mean its the first thing you see but if you look for it you must be able to see it.
You find alot of stickers fitted in the door frame which is inccorect but for some reason VOSA turn a blind eye to it a test time.
An exemption is blue light vehicles which have the speed limiter turned off for obviousl reasons.

All coaches/buses i have driven have it stuck to the drivers window

[tyreburner]

Cars towing

50 on normal
60 on DC and MWAY

Police turn a blind eye to sensible & well driven outfits at road limits.

Ah i see , i knew i shouldn't have them sitting on my back bumper at 62/100k's trying to get me out the way.

Actually there is a big safety reason for this and why I cruise at 65 to 70.

Overtaking a big vehicle the van does try to steer the car, but only to a little affect, accelerate past and it is fully stable.

When an HGV or a coach passes you the huge bow wave pushes the back of the caravan to the left, so the front to the right and is VERY unnerving - remember you are not accelerating and pulling the tow bar as much.

This is not a weight issue, this is simple aerodynamics, and the safest speed to travel is a little faster than the coaches and HGVs

Simple solution is to ban weekend pikeys from the roads...

No the simple solution with all this male indecision on their driving practices is to ban all men from the roads!!  

Make them go by public transport, so women can have the complete freedom of the road, going shopping, doing the school run, visiting relatives, and undertaking their business without intimidation from some sizeable number of the opposite gender in extensions of their intimate parts who do not recognize the limits of the vehicle they are driving and themselves!!
 
Sorry for all that chaps, but I just wanted to be contraversial as no two men will agree on the subject matter of this thread............well perhaps not until next weekend!!

The difference between male and female drivers is (90% of the time) when women have a bump they knock wing mirrors off or scrape bumpers or hit bollards etc and men ................Do it PROPERLY!
(that was written in reply to an insurance survey that said women were better drivers than men) But as women were made from mans spare ribs how can they ever be superior

[Andy B]

.....
And remember everyone as these hgv/pcv vehicles are capable of much more, they still have loads of torque(depending what you are carrying) right up to the point the limiter kicks in .so if you are a "good driver" you will know how to use that torque safely!

I know a solo tractor unit will give you a good run for your money in the Traffic Light Grand Prix! ..... I nearly ran out of road before his 56mph limiter kicked in!  

[tyreburner]

.....
And remember everyone as these hgv/pcv vehicles are capable of much more, they still have loads of torque(depending what you are carrying) right up to the point the limiter kicks in .so if you are a "good driver" you will know how to use that torque safely!

I know a solo tractor unit will give you a good run for your money in the Traffic Light Grand Prix! ..... I nearly ran out of road before his 56mph limiter kicked in!  

Yeah MEGA FAST!!
I tell you whats even faster........ a bloody heavy goods recovery truck, had a race( maybe wrong word ) with one of these beasties many years ago, was in a merc atego 7.5 tonner at 80mph he was passing me ............. BUT ...he could only use lane one and two so when he came across a car in lane 2 i got away from him, oh yeah and he was pulling a tractor unit too

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Cars towing

50 on normal
60 on DC and MWAY

Police turn a blind eye to sensible & well driven outfits at road limits.

Ah i see , i knew i shouldn't have them sitting on my back bumper at 62/100k's trying to get me out the way.

Actually there is a big safety reason for this and why I cruise at 65 to 70.

Overtaking a big vehicle the van does try to steer the car, but only to a little affect, accelerate past and it is fully stable.

When an HGV or a coach passes you the huge bow wave pushes the back of the caravan to the left, so the front to the right and is VERY unnerving - remember you are not accelerating and pulling the tow bar as much.

This is not a weight issue, this is simple aerodynamics, and the safest speed to travel is a little faster than the coaches and HGVs

Simple solution is to ban weekend pikeys from the roads...

No the simple solution with all this male indecision on their driving practices is to ban all men from the roads!!  

Make them go by public transport, so women can have the complete freedom of the road, going shopping, doing the school run, visiting relatives, and undertaking their business without intimidation from some sizeable number of the opposite gender in extensions of their intimate parts who do not recognize the limits of the vehicle they are driving and themselves!!
 
Sorry for all that chaps, but I just wanted to be contraversial as no two men will agree on the subject matter of this thread............well perhaps not until next weekend!!

The difference between male and female drivers is (90% of the time) when women have a bump they knock wing mirrors off or scrape bumpers or hit bollards etc and men ................Do it PROPERLY!
(that was written in reply to an insurance survey that said women were better drivers than men) But as women were made from mans spare ribs how can they ever be superior

Everything else I agree with tyreburner, but popular mytholgy has the rib question back to front!  

In fact it is a historical fact that God created women and she soon became lonely, so God agreed for her to have a male baby........so now before the 12th week after conception some fetus develop as males to keep women happy.   8-) 8-) 8-)

[JamesV6CDX]

What actually amazes me was attempting the manouvre in the 1st place with out fully getting to know the limits and performance of the bus whilst empty and then fully loaded.

But why do you keep going on about that on this forum, when said driver is not available here to comment?

As per previous posts, I was NOT driving

[Mr Skrunts]

What actually amazes me was attempting the manouvre in the 1st place with out fully getting to know the limits and performance of the bus whilst empty and then fully loaded.

But why do you keep going on about that on this forum, when said driver is not available here to comment?

As per previous posts, I was NOT driving

Never said you were driving james.  But if you dont want people to talk or reply to posts then dont post them in the 1st place.

[JamesV6CDX]

What actually amazes me was attempting the manouvre in the 1st place with out fully getting to know the limits and performance of the bus whilst empty and then fully loaded.

But why do you keep going on about that on this forum, when said driver is not available here to comment?

As per previous posts, I was NOT driving

Never said you were driving james.  But if you dont want people to talk or reply to posts then dont post them in the 1st place.

I think, everything considered, it would be better not to post anything at all