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Re: advice on being arrested
« Reply #15 on: 10 February 2009, 23:25:19 »

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Back up :o :o :o They kept him overnight, how old is he? this should not be done, except in the most extreme cases, Murder, Rape etc

hes 16 in april. she put phone down on me this morning so have to ring in morning now to find out why she didnt tell me at the time.
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« Reply #16 on: 10 February 2009, 23:27:04 »

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Back up :o :o :o They kept him overnight, how old is he? this should not be done, except in the most extreme cases, Murder, Rape etc

hes 16 in april. she put phone down on me this morning so have to ring in morning now to find out why she didnt tell me at the time.


Id go down too the Police station...sounds like either your ex or son are feeding you a line mate.

Might be an idea  :y
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Re: advice on being arrested
« Reply #17 on: 10 February 2009, 23:34:51 »

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Re: advice on being arrested
« Reply #18 on: 11 February 2009, 13:49:03 »

well spoke to x today. shes gonna e mail the full story later.

short version.
they took him in at 10.30pm now this was from outside a spar type shop. they took him to the knick, made him strip off and wear white overalls.would not let him see a duty solicitor. told him he had been arrested for suspicion of burglary??. he said it wasnt him and begged them to look at the ctv and it will show him who it was. other kids who he wasnt with. not interested. the phone his mum at 2.30am, 4hrs after he was picked up. then they told her they was keeping him in all night. he was not charged, he was not bailed, he was kept in till 2.30pm the next day. i am fuming,i will be complaing to the police complaints about it. and she did not ring and tell me as i would of gone up there in the morning with a solicitor.
another thing, when they let him out they made him leave in the white disposable overalls and he had to walk down the rd like it. my son can be a right w****r but i know when hes lying and he knows i wont stand for it. i wont tolerate it from him or the police but i will stand by the truth whoever it is. way i was brought up.
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Re: advice on being arrested
« Reply #19 on: 11 February 2009, 13:55:08 »

The poor bugger.  I would try and see if you could get some free legal advice to see what you can do about it.  Some Solicitors offer a free 30 consultation to see if a case can be made.  Worth giving some of them a ring.
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Re: advice on being arrested
« Reply #20 on: 11 February 2009, 14:14:35 »

this is the full story

Sat 7th Feb 2009 - Early Hours (after arrest at bus stop).
 
I found out from Tara about 00.10 - 00.15 am approx.  Police did try to ring me apparently but couldn't get through because I was engaged ringing people to see where he was/if he was staying at one of his friends houses like he tends to on a Fri/Sat night and had been ringing around since 10.00pm sporadically, his phone was either dead or switched off.  
 
I also spoke to Jamie after finding out from Tara.  Ray's friend Jamie, told me he had no idea as to why Ray was arrested but it could be to do with something to do with the takeaway shop as another group of boys about 5/7 of them went in after him (Jamie), Ray and Kieran.   He told me Ray was waiting outside the shop when everything happened, about some can/s of of coke or something, but he didn't know exactly what just from what the shop man had been shouting out before he grabbed Ray and punched him full force in the face, really hard he said....but said the man had CCTV at the shop, as the man keeps telling them, and it would be on there.  Jamie said they had been to the take away earlier and had been threatened with a broom to get out of the shop even though they had bought stuff and were just eating the food, and not doing anything wrong and the man often walked around the shop with a broom as a weapon when any of him or his mates went in the shop.  Tara did say it was okay for Jamie to make a witness statement as well.
 
Rang 01895 251212 a couple of times to find out what going on etc straightaway and also Tara cos she wanted to know whether or not to go down there for him as an appropriate adult etc seeing as I didn't have money or car.....think last time I rang Police that night was circa 01.15 to the custody number 0208 246 1429.  They rang me back once and think I rang them in custody twice all in all.  Spoke to PC Murphy at one point and possibly another PC....One of the 2 PC.s there said Ray wouldn't be able to be interviewed 'til the morning anyway....something along the lines of not being allowed to be interviewed during 'sleep hours' or something like that.  I think on both occasions when I rang custody I mentioned/asked about Ray's face because Jamie had said about him being punched in the face and has he seen a doctor/ had medical attention/did he have any facial bruising/bleeding...and can't remember what exactly was said...but pretty much only that there was "nothing wrong with him he looks okay".  Nothing reassuring just that, with no concern from them at all really and I felt basically like they didn't care because he was a kid, and it seemed like they just presumed him guilty and that he didn't deserve any kind of care. Though Ray may feel that there was someone else in custody that did look after him, you need to ask him....but I was just left to wonder and worry.
 
What's happened to innocent until proven guilty?  He's only 15 and should have been seen by some medical officer of some sort surely, not sure if Ray mentioned it to them when he got there/when first arrested.  Not sure if there is any medical evidence to support Jamie and Ray's claims about the man punching Ray in the face at all.
 
 
Anyway went to bed circa 1.30 am, after it being agreed with everyone, that Dave and Tara not going to Police Station as Dave had to get up for work at 6.30 am, and that I should get some sleep because of  Ray not being able to be interviewed until the morning and my epilepsy and was best to go in the morning and was still awake at 3.00 am ish.  Got up circa 9.50 am and rang Tara circa 10.am to see if her and Jamie were coming to UPS as she had offered for Jamie to make a statement and for her to keep me company, the night before.  Followed a little while afterwards upto an hour later a phone call to the UPS custody saying could they arrange to have a solicitor present for Ray for about approx 12.30 - 13.00 I think was the time I said would get there because of getting ready, travelling up there on bus,feeding dog etc.  Then you rang just as was leaving out the door about Tom's phone and school uniform, so was a bit later than 13.00 to UPS because of that, which is why was a bit funny on the phone to you.  Met Tom in the UPS reception at gone 13.00 but not sure what time exactly and gave him change for the phone to call you and Officer Grant called me in as soon as I gave Tom the change without me having a proper chance to chat to him at all.  Told Tom not to tell you, as I wanted to find out all the details first.
 

Sat 7th Feb 2009 - At Uxbridge Police Station
 
When Officer Grant walked me through to custody dept, I was taken to the desk where I was told Ray had already spoken to duty solicitor Tony Mitchell of MPR Solicitors, Hounslow, Middx.  Tel 0208 607 4660.   I was given a leaflet 'Form 3053' Notice of Rights and Entitlements and Ray was given one at the same time as me, I am not sure if Ray was given one when he was booked into custody at all, he should of been looking at the type of form it is.  There is apparently a  book "Code of Practice" that Ray should of been  able to look at but given the circumstances, his age, shock, tiredness I don't know if he was offered to read it, or as I said was given one of the leaflets that mention this (above) when he arrived.  He was read his rights in front of me and taken through to the fingerprinting room...where Edward came down/through and met me and Ray and think he'd spoken and introduced himself to Ray at some point earlier, I asked Edward if he'd overseen everything and did it seem bad or okay...and he thought it would all be okay.  Ray just continued to have his fingerprints taken and 3 photos.  His DNA is already on record from 3 years ago approx.  Then Ray and I had a chat with the solicitor in a room, after chat we had the taped interview.  Myself, the solicitor, Officer Grant and Ray at about 13.50 or 14.10 approx.  Afterwards we were given the...
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Re: advice on being arrested
« Reply #21 on: 11 February 2009, 14:15:43 »

Conditional Bail to Police Station Grant stating Ray was not to enter the premises of Chicken & Rib 266 Yeading Lane, and that we were to return on 15/02/09 at 12.00 pm.  We were not given a custody report and neither did I ask for one (but will get one on Sunday 15th Feb).  After the signing of the bail forms at 14.45 pm we had to wait for Ray's clothing to be returned and the Officer Trice that granted bail seemed to be insistent that Ray couldn't have particular or all (not sure) items returned to him,  Ray said he's got to have his Oyster Card for school, but Officer Trice said no he couldn't  have it, though Officer Grant had to insist  to Officer Trice, that Ray was to be returned his belongings as he was happy that Ray's weren't relevant  either to the investigation in any way or he didn't need them anymore at all and that the Oyster Card had not been mentioned in the crime reports at all.  The solicitor left.  Ray then asked Officer Trice if he could change into his civilian clothes as he had been given a pair of plimsolls and very thin cotton white long bottoms to wear during his stay in custody, Officer Trice then said a quick "No" and pointed to the exit and said "Take him straight through or out" to Officer Grant, which is then what happened.  Ray did ask the person behind the person behind the main reception desk if he could use the disabled toilet to change into his clothes and was told "No" again.  As the weather was freezing cold and the Police given clothing were unsuitable for the  weather, time of year and the distance he had to travel he had no choice except to change his clothes in the main entrance to Uxbridge Police Station, in view of the general public that were there, though it wasn't many admittedly.

oppions please, its possible i could fly off the handle if it dont get it right.
 
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Re: advice on being arrested
« Reply #22 on: 11 February 2009, 22:19:41 »

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Re: advice on being arrested
« Reply #23 on: 11 February 2009, 22:33:49 »

i thought living on my own would be peaceful and relaxing,loads of burds and plenty of drink. no way in this house, nothing but stress  :'(  ;D ;D
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Re: advice on being arrested
« Reply #24 on: 11 February 2009, 22:38:41 »

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i thought living on my own would be peaceful and relaxing,loads of burds and plenty of drink. no way in this house, nothing but stress  :'(  ;D ;D

And why should you be any different from the rest of us...... :P ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #25 on: 11 February 2009, 22:41:00 »

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i thought living on my own would be peaceful and relaxing,loads of burds and plenty of drink. no way in this house, nothing but stress  :'(  ;D ;D

And why should you be any different from the rest of us...... :P ;D ;D ;D

i get nagged by e mail and phone calls. and i bet she watches on here to see if i write anything about her  ;D ;D
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i thought living on my own would be peaceful and relaxing,loads of burds and plenty of drink. no way in this house, nothing but stress  :'(  ;D ;D

And why should you be any different from the rest of us...... :P ;D ;D ;D

i get nagged by e mail and phone calls. and i bet she watches on here to see if i write anything about her  ;D ;D

I was 41 before I settled down. This meant that I had all my single experiences without an ex or kids. :y :y :y

When I was finally trapped, sorry, fell in love and settled down I inherited 3 boys and have since had a daughter. One of those boys has certainly made sure I have not missed out on the negative side of having kids.   ;)

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« Reply #27 on: 11 February 2009, 22:58:30 »

cant be as bad as my nephew, in college at 13 due to being expelled for fighting 5 days a week at school, banned from joining any football clubs for fighting,banned from boxing for being too violent. hes now nearly 16 and has most 18 yr olds shite scared of him. i feel sorry for my sister, shes got 5. and the dad is one of the nicest blokes you could meet.
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Re: advice on being arrested
« Reply #28 on: 11 February 2009, 23:59:59 »

If the boy's story pans out  - I'd get the press involved
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Re: advice on being arrested
« Reply #29 on: 12 February 2009, 00:28:02 »

Sounds completely odd... :-?

Ive had clothes taken for forensics and given the paper suit....but clothes are return on release and certainly not made too change in a public area. :o

If your confident in what your ex and son have told you id speak too the highest ranking police officer at the station you can and ask them is what you've told us standard practice,certainly don't sound right at all.

What about the free phonecall when he was first booked in...didn't see any mention of that being offered,or did i misread.
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