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Re: forum language
« Reply #195 on: 19 August 2009, 22:48:44 »

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In all seriousness,I think if one or two members understood STMO123,s sense of humour and didnt take it all so seriously, they would save themselves a fair bit of aggravation.It would spoil his fun though. ;) ::)

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Re: forum language
« Reply #196 on: 19 August 2009, 22:48:50 »

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I cant help feeling some nerves have been touched for no good reason on this thread. I'm quite capable of some colourful language myself when emotions run high so I'm not about to cast judgement either way.

What I will say is - have a look at some of the car forums where "anything goes" language wise, or anything else, for that matter. How much useful information is there, and how easy is it to find within the other noise? Do you see members going well beyond the call of duty to help each other out with problems, car or otherwise? Do you see people making lifelong friendships? Coming to the forum for comfort when life deals them savage blows? Do you see the above happening in the way it does on OOF?

Not IMHO. The "feel" of the place becomes more aggressive, people batten down the hatches, take what they want and look after number one. Now, I don't believe a few choice words are necessarily going to tip the balance but there's a slippery slope  there somewhere and I, amongst others, really don't want to see us sliding towards it.

So, all I will say is, I don't think Hotel21's post, or any other, for that matter, should be taken personally. Before we start worrying about a nanny state controlling OOF or the "liberal minority" taking over let's consider what type of forum we want. One where a scattering of dodgy words add colour to the more emotional posts without causing offence - or an out and out online war zone?

It's up to us at the end of the day.

Kevin

Some very important points made here - trust me, as a newcomer, I felt at home asking 'stupid' questions after a very short time and the attitude of the members was always helpful on here. I would recommend it to anyone. This is in stark contrast to a lot of other forums which seem to have a lot of aggressive members getting one up on each other because of the anonymity it affords
    I like the forum as it is, everyone seems to know the boundaries and if it takes a stern reminder every now and then, so be it. Serious questions can be asked in the relevant section and we can have a laugh in the other one - it works very well.
     Consider us told ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #197 on: 19 August 2009, 22:51:19 »

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I cant help feeling some nerves have been touched for no good reason on this thread. I'm quite capable of some colourful language myself when emotions run high so I'm not about to cast judgement either way.

What I will say is - have a look at some of the car forums where "anything goes" language wise, or anything else, for that matter. How much useful information is there, and how easy is it to find within the other noise? Do you see members going well beyond the call of duty to help each other out with problems, car or otherwise? Do you see people making lifelong friendships? Coming to the forum for comfort when life deals them savage blows? Do you see the above happening in the way it does on OOF?

Not IMHO. The "feel" of the place becomes more aggressive, people batten down the hatches, take what they want and look after number one. Now, I don't believe a few choice words are necessarily going to tip the balance but there's a slippery slope  there somewhere and I, amongst others, really don't want to see us sliding towards it.

So, all I will say is, I don't think Hotel21's post, or any other, for that matter, should be taken personally. Before we start worrying about a nanny state controlling OOF or the "liberal minority" taking over let's consider what type of forum we want. One where a scattering of dodgy words add colour to the more emotional posts without causing offence - or an out and out online war zone?

It's up to us at the end of the day.

Kevin

Some very important points made here - trust me, as a newcomer, I felt at home asking 'stupid' questions after a very short time and the attitude of the members was always helpful on here. I would recommend it to anyone. This is in stark contrast to a lot of other forums which seem to have a lot of aggressive members getting one up on each other because of the anonymity it affords
    I like the forum as it is, everyone seems to know the boundaries and if it takes a stern reminder every now and then, so be it. Serious questions can be asked in the relevant section and we can have a laugh in the other one - it works very well.
     Consider us told
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That is spot on matey :y
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Re: forum language
« Reply #198 on: 19 August 2009, 22:52:33 »

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I cant help feeling some nerves have been touched for no good reason on this thread. I'm quite capable of some colourful language myself when emotions run high so I'm not about to cast judgement either way.

What I will say is - have a look at some of the car forums where "anything goes" language wise, or anything else, for that matter. How much useful information is there, and how easy is it to find within the other noise? Do you see members going well beyond the call of duty to help each other out with problems, car or otherwise? Do you see people making lifelong friendships? Coming to the forum for comfort when life deals them savage blows? Do you see the above happening in the way it does on OOF?

Not IMHO. The "feel" of the place becomes more aggressive, people batten down the hatches, take what they want and look after number one. Now, I don't believe a few choice words are necessarily going to tip the balance but there's a slippery slope  there somewhere and I, amongst others, really don't want to see us sliding towards it.

So, all I will say is, I don't think Hotel21's post, or any other, for that matter, should be taken personally. Before we start worrying about a nanny state controlling OOF or the "liberal minority" taking over let's consider what type of forum we want. One where a scattering of dodgy words add colour to the more emotional posts without causing offence - or an out and out online war zone?

It's up to us at the end of the day.

Kevin

I understand exactly what you are saying Kevin. But I'd like to think that the core of this forum is far too strong to be split by petty bickering. I've noticed that when a new member joins with an attitude and bad mouths an existing member, others rally and defend the spirit of the forum.
flip side is we may scare potential new members from joining if it becomes like many of the other forums full of chavs who have a 5 word vocabulary...
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Re: forum language
« Reply #199 on: 19 August 2009, 22:53:23 »

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I cant help feeling some nerves have been touched for no good reason on this thread. I'm quite capable of some colourful language myself when emotions run high so I'm not about to cast judgement either way.

What I will say is - have a look at some of the car forums where "anything goes" language wise, or anything else, for that matter. How much useful information is there, and how easy is it to find within the other noise? Do you see members going well beyond the call of duty to help each other out with problems, car or otherwise? Do you see people making lifelong friendships? Coming to the forum for comfort when life deals them savage blows? Do you see the above happening in the way it does on OOF?

Not IMHO. The "feel" of the place becomes more aggressive, people batten down the hatches, take what they want and look after number one. Now, I don't believe a few choice words are necessarily going to tip the balance but there's a slippery slope  there somewhere and I, amongst others, really don't want to see us sliding towards it.

So, all I will say is, I don't think Hotel21's post, or any other, for that matter, should be taken personally. Before we start worrying about a nanny state controlling OOF or the "liberal minority" taking over let's consider what type of forum we want. One where a scattering of dodgy words add colour to the more emotional posts without causing offence - or an out and out online war zone?

It's up to us at the end of the day.

Kevin

Some very important points made here - trust me, as a newcomer, I felt at home asking 'stupid' questions after a very short time and the attitude of the members was always helpful on here. I would recommend it to anyone. This is in stark contrast to a lot of other forums which seem to have a lot of aggressive members getting one up on each other because of the anonymity it affords
    I like the forum as it is, everyone seems to know the boundaries and if it takes a stern reminder every now and then, so be it. Serious questions can be asked in the relevant section and we can have a laugh in the other one - it works very well.
     Consider us told ;D ;D ;D


I think most would agree with what you have said there matey :y
That fact of the matter is that everyone of us has joined here, been a newbie asking what you think are daft questions (some of us still ask them ::)) we all learn something new on here. In a different area there is a place where you can all laugh and joke, like has been said many times "like being in the pub". Not everyone will get some peoples sense of humour not all will get on that is life.  :y
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Re: forum language
« Reply #200 on: 19 August 2009, 22:55:41 »

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Why not lock this now, I don't think anything else can be realistically said to enhance the discourse of the OP  :( :(
if we do, we'll be accused of nanny state.  though to be honest, I don't give a monkeys what people think of me, admins, or oof - while sufficient demand is there, I guess there will always be an oof in one form or another.


so, no, lets get this one out in the open, get it over and done with, and return to some friggin sanity.
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Re: forum language
« Reply #201 on: 19 August 2009, 22:55:45 »

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In all seriousness,I think if one or two members understood STMO123,s sense of humour and didnt take it all so seriously, they would save themselves a fair bit of aggravation.It would spoil his fun though. ;) ::)

i couldnt care less what anyone says about me, the more you bite the more your get it, only some people are more sensitive than others and cannot take the banter. thats when its time to stop befors it affects everyone
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Re: forum language
« Reply #202 on: 19 August 2009, 22:56:01 »

Ooooo....   Tin of worms as anticipated...   :-[

Requoting Ye Olde Poste Original Number One of this thread...

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Grumpy git time and tee'ing myself up for potential abuse....   :(

OOF is primarily a blokey site for talking assorted 'dangle berries' about Omega and other Top Geary style things, there are also a number of female and junior members who also enjoy the cameraderie and banter.

Without going down the granny knows best/PC route, we request that members use language here that does not potentially offend.

A swear filter is inbuilt into OOF but, as we all can see, its easily circumvented by use of fly letters and other symbols.  Without wanting to impose draconian swear filter measures again, can we please use the language of common decency? 

Not all who frequent here live/work on building sites or workshops where foul language is the norm.  At the same time, they know its there, and just prefer to talk in a decent adult fashion without resorting to playground emphasis.

ta.....   :y.


The highlighted part is the nub of the matter.

The use of no holds barred 'cussing and blinding' in the workplace is very much one thing but would you say the same things in the High Street or in the middle of Tesco's, still at a sufficient volume so that anyone who was passing could still see/read what you said?

Effectively, thats what you do by posting here.

I am in no way a prude and can join swear words into a sensible sentence with the best of them - 7 years at sea in the merchant navy and a career thereafter in the polis has learned me well.

Debs - agree with the thumb/hammer bit.  Done it myself more times than I can remember.  I try to reduce the number of times I type such language into a forum page though, particularly not taking the time to use assorted wild card letters to circumvent any inbuilt swear filter.

Guy - I really do see where you are coming from.  You personally do not (overly) swear in posts, despite being a gobby chap thats not shy at getting his point across.  Your type of historic comments are not those that rattled my cage.   :y

What does annoy me ( and numerous others, judging by the content of the PM boxes of myself and other admins) is that very limited few who appear to go out of their way to cause general offence, either by their use of explicatives or other genarally abusive, in yer face, love me or leave me language.

I find the latter wholly against the spirit of what we attempt to achieve here (and have done, I think....) whilst retaining a balance thats acceptable .  By that, I'm not talking about what you should whisper in church but ask that we use language that is acceptable in the standards of common decency.

Like others have said, I also frequent other forums where an 'anything goes' attitude by the admins is the norm and, frankly, its like standing outside the boys lav in a secondary school at breaktime and listening to the weekend heros giving it large, thinking that they are superheros as they can join sweary words together or make it rhyme so as it sounds like they are not, if you follow?

All I attempted to do was to ask that we, collectively, observe a wee line drawn in the sand as to thread content so as not to come across as either abusive, aggressive, or downright lacking in words such that swear words of the stronger variety, are deemed a requirement to get a weak point across.

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H21

ps - Doog - I also think your avatar is very much treading a thin line mate....  But thats a personal preference, not an admin one.  There are other admins who have also viewed it and have left it, so why should I give you grief?    

edited for spill chucking pistooks....


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« Reply #203 on: 19 August 2009, 22:56:25 »

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I cant help feeling some nerves have been touched for no good reason on this thread. I'm quite capable of some colourful language myself when emotions run high so I'm not about to cast judgement either way.

What I will say is - have a look at some of the car forums where "anything goes" language wise, or anything else, for that matter. How much useful information is there, and how easy is it to find within the other noise? Do you see members going well beyond the call of duty to help each other out with problems, car or otherwise? Do you see people making lifelong friendships? Coming to the forum for comfort when life deals them savage blows? Do you see the above happening in the way it does on OOF?

Not IMHO. The "feel" of the place becomes more aggressive, people batten down the hatches, take what they want and look after number one. Now, I don't believe a few choice words are necessarily going to tip the balance but there's a slippery slope  there somewhere and I, amongst others, really don't want to see us sliding towards it.

So, all I will say is, I don't think Hotel21's post, or any other, for that matter, should be taken personally. Before we start worrying about a nanny state controlling OOF or the "liberal minority" taking over let's consider what type of forum we want. One where a scattering of dodgy words add colour to the more emotional posts without causing offence - or an out and out online war zone?

It's up to us at the end of the day.

Kevin

I understand exactly what you are saying Kevin. But I'd like to think that the core of this forum is far too strong to be split by petty bickering. I've noticed that when a new member joins with an attitude and bad mouths an existing member, others rally and defend the spirit of the forum.
flip side is we may scare potential new members from joining if it becomes like many of the other forums full of chavs who have a 5 word vocabulary...

But it hasn't so far, scare off new members or become like other forums. Because, as I said earlier, it's not like other forums. You/we have built something special here and I, personally, like it just as it is.
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Re: forum language
« Reply #204 on: 19 August 2009, 22:58:05 »

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Why not lock this now, I don't think anything else can be realistically said to enhance the discourse of the OP  :( :(
if we do, we'll be accused of nanny state.  though to be honest, I don't give a monkeys what people think of me, admins, or oof - while sufficient demand is there, I guess there will always be an oof in one form or another.


so, no, lets get this one out in the open, get it over and done with, and return to some friggin sanity.


Fair do's :y

I was concerned about the GD area being closed as a result of this.
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« Reply #205 on: 19 August 2009, 22:59:44 »

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I cant help feeling some nerves have been touched for no good reason on this thread. I'm quite capable of some colourful language myself when emotions run high so I'm not about to cast judgement either way.

What I will say is - have a look at some of the car forums where "anything goes" language wise, or anything else, for that matter. How much useful information is there, and how easy is it to find within the other noise? Do you see members going well beyond the call of duty to help each other out with problems, car or otherwise? Do you see people making lifelong friendships? Coming to the forum for comfort when life deals them savage blows? Do you see the above happening in the way it does on OOF?

Not IMHO. The "feel" of the place becomes more aggressive, people batten down the hatches, take what they want and look after number one. Now, I don't believe a few choice words are necessarily going to tip the balance but there's a slippery slope  there somewhere and I, amongst others, really don't want to see us sliding towards it.

So, all I will say is, I don't think Hotel21's post, or any other, for that matter, should be taken personally. Before we start worrying about a nanny state controlling OOF or the "liberal minority" taking over let's consider what type of forum we want. One where a scattering of dodgy words add colour to the more emotional posts without causing offence - or an out and out online war zone?

It's up to us at the end of the day.

Kevin

I understand exactly what you are saying Kevin. But I'd like to think that the core of this forum is far too strong to be split by petty bickering. I've noticed that when a new member joins with an attitude and bad mouths an existing member, others rally and defend the spirit of the forum.

I think it is that "spirit of the forum" that Kevin and H21 are trying to protect as well. This is not the first time the subject has been raised recently .. yet I don't remember it ever being raised in the first year or so of my membership ... so something has changed, and not for the better..
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« Reply #206 on: 19 August 2009, 23:01:39 »

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I cant help feeling some nerves have been touched for no good reason on this thread. I'm quite capable of some colourful language myself when emotions run high so I'm not about to cast judgement either way.

What I will say is - have a look at some of the car forums where "anything goes" language wise, or anything else, for that matter. How much useful information is there, and how easy is it to find within the other noise? Do you see members going well beyond the call of duty to help each other out with problems, car or otherwise? Do you see people making lifelong friendships? Coming to the forum for comfort when life deals them savage blows? Do you see the above happening in the way it does on OOF?

Not IMHO. The "feel" of the place becomes more aggressive, people batten down the hatches, take what they want and look after number one. Now, I don't believe a few choice words are necessarily going to tip the balance but there's a slippery slope  there somewhere and I, amongst others, really don't want to see us sliding towards it.

So, all I will say is, I don't think Hotel21's post, or any other, for that matter, should be taken personally. Before we start worrying about a nanny state controlling OOF or the "liberal minority" taking over let's consider what type of forum we want. One where a scattering of dodgy words add colour to the more emotional posts without causing offence - or an out and out online war zone?

It's up to us at the end of the day.

Kevin

I understand exactly what you are saying Kevin. But I'd like to think that the core of this forum is far too strong to be split by petty bickering. I've noticed that when a new member joins with an attitude and bad mouths an existing member, others rally and defend the spirit of the forum.

I think it is that "spirit of the forum" that Kevin and H21 are trying to protect as well. This is not the first time the subject has been raised recently .. yet I don't remember it ever being raised in the first year or so of my membership ... so something has changed, and not for the better..

some members are old and senile now and nothing better to do  ;) ;)
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« Reply #207 on: 19 August 2009, 23:01:56 »

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The use of no holds barred 'cussing and blinding' in the workplace is very much one thing but would you say the same things in the High Street or in the middle of Tesco's, still at a sufficient volume so that anyone who was passing could still see/read what you said?
LOL, I guess you've never shopped in Bletchley Tescos, when the 30yr old grandmother retaliates to the shop staff who have just pulled up little Chardonnay for shoplifting ;D
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« Reply #208 on: 19 August 2009, 23:05:43 »

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The use of no holds barred 'cussing and blinding' in the workplace is very much one thing but would you say the same things in the High Street or in the middle of Tesco's, still at a sufficient volume so that anyone who was passing could still see/read what you said?
LOL, I guess you've never shopped in Bletchley Tescos, when the 30yr old grandmother retaliates to the shop staff who have just pulled up little Chardonnay for shoplifting ;D

Yes, I have - perhaps not the same Tesco's - but I would bet that if the same cherub/parent/grandparent/great grandparent/great great grandparent was later presented with a written transcript that I bet she would be embarrased...   :-/
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« Reply #209 on: 19 August 2009, 23:06:10 »

this comes to mind  ;D ;D


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