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[alfie]

Hi everyone,now we all know that Britain is not the same country that we all grew up in,but do you think its better or worse.
I myself think that its all gone downhill fast since this wonderful goverment we have opened our borders to all this so called aslyum seekers,who have little to offer the UK but take everythink offered.
We are fighting a war that we will never win,and had no business to be there in the first place.
We have MPs who have their snouts in the trough,if it was anyone else they would have been charged with fraud.
We have coppers who will fine you for blowing your nose in your own car.
etc etc etc etc,
I,m sure some of you will support me,while others will shoot me down,but everyone is intitled to their own thoughts aren,t they.
                            Alfie

[Proz]

Country has gone downhill to the point of no return i fear 

[Varche]

I would agree with you that Britain has changed a lot since we were younger. That change has brought some good things e.g. longer life expectancy, better technology (fast Internet,100's of channels of TV). Beeter cars, better equipped houses and so on.

On the downside the petty officialdom and "get as much out of the workers" society leaves a lot to be desired. That was one reason for us moving to Spain.  It takes some getting used to the siesta mentality for example. Everywhere shuts from 2 till 5.30 i'sh. The family goes home and eats together. Some of the other work practices also take some getting used to too.

Spain has its own problems and isn't a paradise by any means. I find it interesting that the Spanish still view Britain as a very, very wealthy country(which it is) and by inference so are all its subjects!

There are 702 mayors or officials in Spain waiting trial for corruption- some involving absolutely astronomical amounts of money syphoned out of the system. That makes Uk MP's misdemeanors look chicken feed.

Asylum seekers. Don't think that Britain is the only country in the EU with a problem either. There are hundreds of poor souls leaving Africa every day by whatever means and ending up in Malta, Spain and Italy. Those countries are creaking under the strain too.

I used to think that the very best day to ever have lived was the current day but like you I don't anymore. Maybe the golden age was the late 80's early 90's.

[Dishevelled Den]

Alfie - are you going to be responsible for starting another massive thread? 

[Debs.]

Hundreds of new Officials, Quangos and 'Executive Agencies'.....hundreds of new and unnecessary laws; seemingly outlawing 'everything' (except the recidivist criminal).....lazy and ineffective policing....the punitive taxation and criminalisation of the motorist.....lazy and indulgent parenting.....the view that it`s always "society`s fault" or "coz of where they wuz brought up"......"can`t take a job coz of me benefits".

The view that working with your hands is for 'mugs' and/or the stupid.

Hospitals/Surgeries run for the convenience of the management.....`too many of those too!

Local councils talk about 'their' money; it isn`t, it`s 'OURS'!

Why is strong profanity so acceptable to use on British Tv.....many people find it very-offensive and uncomfortable to have to endure in mixed company.....such Tv. has also helped make the use of the 'F' word almost totally normal out in public streets/shops and by children too!!!!!!.....and they have the nerve to tell us about showing them "respect"....innit!

Standing up for yourself and/or protecting your privacy gets you targeted by your neighbours, their kids or the police....whom would seem to apply different (more lenient) rules to thugs, pikeys and those families "known to the police".

What happened to kindness, courtesy, politeness and graciousness?.....should we all have to live in a world run just for those 'Me-me-me`s'?

Dear-Lord, I`m ranting now .......this list could be very long....`better go and have a lie down in a darkened room.

[alfie]

Well up to now,100% positive backing I beleive.
Why can,t we the people have some party that stands for standards,justice,and common sense politics,that we could vote for in the upcoming general election.
                 Alfie

[PhilRich]

What's it all about alfie? Is it just for the moment we live?

[alfie]

OH,and I forgot the the bloodly BANKERS, or was it W and not a B. Nevermind I think you will get the drift.
I never could spell.
Zulu,that thread was never meant to bring the goverment to its knees.
                   Alfie.

[alfie]

Hello Philrich,It might be the moment but its man made.
                   Alfie.

[PhilRich]

Hello Philrich,It might be the moment but its man made.
                   Alfie.

I'm in complete agreement, on all counts alfie mate   Oh, BTW, you were right first time, it is W not B

[albitz]

I am convinced that the UK is a much worse place to live than it was 20 - 30 years ago in very many ways. I shant bother trying to list them all, it would take too long, but I think the basis of it is twofold.The people who run the country dont even pretend to have any morals or principles any more, they just smile an even more smug smile when they get off with lies and corruption every time we think they might be about to get caught out. The media and TV in particular have played a large part in the dumbing down process. It is rare to find a TV programme worth watching in these days of 900 channels, whareas there used to be something worth watching almost every night when we only had 3.

[PhilRich]

I am convinced that the UK is a much worse place to live than it was 20 - 30 years ago in very many ways. I shant bother trying to list them all, it would take too long, but I think the basis of it is twofold.The people who run the country dont even pretend to have any morals or principles any more, they just smile an even more smug smile when they get off with lies and corruption every time we think they might be about to get caught out. The media and TV in particular have played a large part in the dumbing down process. It is rare to find a TV programme worth watching in these days of 900 channels, whareas there used to be something worth watching almost every night when we only had 3.

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[kevinminton]

Hi everyone,now we all know that Britain is not the same country that we all grew up in,but do you think its better or worse.

Better, by far. But still not perfect by a long way.

Two cars, two mobiles, a million tvs, dishwasher, auto washing machine, foreign holidays ... a lot bettre than when I grew up (dob 1956).
 I can go to any country in Europe at a moment's notice for 99p or whatever.
25 days paid leave a year, paternity leave ...
My children don't get mumps / measles and all the other stuff I did. Each of them weighs more than my brother and I did put together (not really) - but they're also taller & stronger to match.
Sure, police may fine you for blowing your nose but they will also stop the tw*ts using their phone while they're driving. And not having insurance, MOT etc. And drink-driving has virtually disappeared. And what about the wonderful West Midlands Serious Crime Squad?

I agree with your comment about the curent system of government - but although many MPs etc may have lost the plot & lost touch with reality, the election system itself is pretty good. As a MOP you can walk into  Westminster & see democracy at work.

I spoke to a man from Nigeria - bodies stuffed in wells, police shooting you at roadblocks, "elected" leaders who expect to rule like kings. Let's not forget how lucky we are compared to most other countries & what was heer in '50s and '60s. IMHO stop moaning & do something about it!

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Hi everyone,now we all know that Britain is not the same country that we all grew up in,but do you think its better or worse.

Better, by far. But still not perfect by a long way.

Two cars, two mobiles, a million tvs, dishwasher, auto washing machine, foreign holidays ... a lot bettre than when I grew up (dob 1956).
 I can go to any country in Europe at a moment's notice for 99p or whatever.
25 days paid leave a year, paternity leave ...
My children don't get mumps / measles and all the other stuff I did. Each of them weighs more than my brother and I did put together (not really) - but they're also taller & stronger to match.
Sure, police may fine you for blowing your nose but they will also stop the tw*ts using their phone while they're driving. And not having insurance, MOT etc. And drink-driving has virtually disappeared. And what about the wonderful West Midlands Serious Crime Squad?

I agree with your comment about the curent system of government - but although many MPs etc may have lost the plot & lost touch with reality, the election system itself is pretty good. As a MOP you can walk into  Westminster & see democracy at work.

I spoke to a man from Nigeria - bodies stuffed in wells, police shooting you at roadblocks, "elected" leaders who expect to rule like kings. Let's not forget how lucky we are compared to most other countries & what was heer in '50s and '60s. IMHO stop moaning & do something about it!

Totally agree Kevin, and although I romance about the 1950s & 60s what we have now in terms of standard of living is FAR better. Just to add one important point to your list Kevin, I no longer see children going around with the results of polio as I used to as a kid; oh, and too many not very old men going around coughing up their lungs!!

[alfie]

Kevin M,Thanks for your views. What kind of life and country do you think your children and grandchildren will inherit from this goverment in the future.
          Alfie.