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[doog]

This evening i went to my local focus diy to get a couple of bits and bobs  while i was parking the car i noticed a sack barrow  in the car park
So i did my shopping and came out and the sack barrow was still there  in the car park brand new with labels still on it


I got in my car and moved to where the sack barrow was   and waited for about 15 mins to see if anyone would claim the barrow

It looks like someone has bought it  took it to their car and drove off without putting it in their car

so after 15 or so mins had past i put it in the boot of my astra thinking finders keepers etc..

on my way home my lad asked me "dad did you just steal that sack barrow" and it got me thinking


did i steal it?

[KW]

did i steal it?

Yup, it's called theft by finding.

[Entwood]

This evening i went to my local focus diy to get a couple of bits and bobs  while i was parking the car i noticed a sack barrow  in the car park
So i did my shopping and came out and the sack barrow was still there  in the car park brand new with labels still on it


I got in my car and moved to where the sack barrow was   and waited for about 15 mins to see if anyone would claim the barrow

It looks like someone has bought it  took it to their car and drove off without putting it in their car

so after 15 or so mins had past i put it in the boot of my astra thinking finders keepers etc..

on my way home my lad asked me "dad did you just steal that sack barrow" and it got me thinking


did i steal it?

Yes .. you knew it belonged to someone else and took it. Stealing . simple. 

[Mr Skrunts]

This evening i went to my local focus diy to get a couple of bits and bobs  while i was parking the car i noticed a sack barrow  in the car park
So i did my shopping and came out and the sack barrow was still there  in the car park brand new with labels still on it


I got in my car and moved to where the sack barrow was   and waited for about 15 mins to see if anyone would claim the barrow

It looks like someone has bought it  took it to their car and drove off without putting it in their car

so after 15 or so mins had past i put it in the boot of my astra thinking finders keepers etc..

on my way home my lad asked me "dad did you just steal that sack barrow" and it got me thinking


did i steal it?

Yes .. you knew it belonged to someone else and took it. Stealing . simple. 

But who did it belong to.

if he took it back to the store and handed it in, they would put it back on the shelf and resell it.

[Entwood]

But who did it belong to.

if he took it back to the store and handed it in, they would put it back on the shelf and resell it.

That is a guess..

They might also have used the computerised shop system to see how many had been sold that day, and if any were on credit card used that facility to track the purchaser ..

Another guess I agree ... but the act of waiting to see if "someone" returned to claim the article shows that the "taker" knew it did not belong to him. So it is theft. ... IMHO

[doog]

yes but it was in a public place
has no identifying marks on it  as to who the owner is  and there was no one else in the car park and the shop was closing.
 so is  finding something and taking it home and  "stealing " something   the same thing?

Its a grey area to me 
obviously i would never walk out of a shop without paying for it  hence the question

[charlie]

KW already said theft by finding

[KW]

But who did it belong to.

Doesn't matter who it belonged to, it's theft (and it was pre-meditated).

if he took it back to the store and handed it in, they would put it back on the shelf and resell it.

Nothing to stop them doing that after 30 days if the owner hasn't come back for it (assuming it belonged to a punter, it might have been borrowed by a punter to take stuff to the car and simply dumped because they couldn't be bothered to take it back in).

[charlie]

I find you guilty

[Simon72]

Simple answer YES

To gain it honestly you must take it to a Police Station, claim you found it, then wait an see if it is claimed, if it is not claimed in 90 number of days then it will be returned to you and you WIN or they will auction it off for charity

[Entwood]

Some "quick and dirty" research

In English law, consolidation is both less complete and more complex. The Theft Act 1968 makes no explicit reference to theft by failing to return lost or misdelivered property, though, the Act is ‘obviously intended’ to preserve the substance of the common law rule which makes failing to return found property a form of theft. Section 1 of the Act states that a person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly ‘appropriates’ property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it.

Section 3(1), in turn, states that, ‘[a]ny assumption by a person of the rights of an owner amounts to an appropriation, and this includes, where he has come by the property (innocently or not) without stealing it, any later assumption of a right to it by keeping or dealing with it as owner.’ Thus, under English law, theft by failing to return lost or misdelivered property is subject to the same punishment as core cases of commissive theft

my highlight ...

[doog]

Simple answer YES

To gain it honestly you must take it to a Police Station, claim you found it, then wait an see if it is claimed, if it is not claimed in 90 number of days then it will be returned to you and you WIN or they will auction it off for charity

oh right
well erm i'll do that then 

Doug

[Mr Skrunts]

But who did it belong to.

if he took it back to the store and handed it in, they would put it back on the shelf and resell it.

That is a guess..

They might also have used the computerised shop system to see how many had been sold that day, and if any were on credit card used that facility to track the purchaser ..

Another guess I agree ... but the act of waiting to see if "someone" returned to claim the article shows that the "taker" knew it did not belong to him. So it is theft. ... IMHO

but then you have the finders keepers theory.  Plus had he have taken it back, a staff member could have thanked him, done a fefund (even with out the recipt) and just pocketed the cash (especially if they knew it was a cash purchase.

[Mr Skrunts]

a person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly ‘appropriates’ property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it.

But he didnt know who it belonged to as it had been abandoned. 

[charlie]

youve took it home.i would just keep it,whats done is done,  save your petrol,you probally wouldnt get any thanks anyway