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Re: is it stealing?
« Reply #30 on: 31 March 2010, 23:56:25 »

THEFT, pure and simple.

It's obvious that the customer who bought it forgot to load it. That customer will now be out of pocket. The chances are that he has returned to/phoned the store and ask if the trolley was found. As he presumably needs the item he will have likely as not have to pay for a replacement.

I have left stuff behind in a supermarket car park on a couple of occasions before now - it's very easily done especially if you have kids to strap in and so on. Once, I left a wallet behind and a customer found it and handed it in. There are, thankfully, some honest people left.

A poor example to set your son, IMHO.  :(
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Re: is it stealing?
« Reply #31 on: 31 March 2010, 23:57:38 »

I think he has the message....... ::) ::) ::)
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« Reply #32 on: 01 April 2010, 00:02:50 »

ah well  its not the worst thing ive done in my lifetime  and i doubt i will burn for it   id never even heard if "theft by finding. " untill tonight

best not tell you all about the 200 quid a found at a cash machine then eh  :y
you live and learn

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« Reply #33 on: 01 April 2010, 00:05:12 »

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ah well  its not the worst thing ive done in my lifetime  and i doubt i will burn for it   id never even heard if "theft by finding. " untill tonight

best not tell you all about the 200 quid a found at a cash machine then eh  :y
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Tell us about that. I'll just get my popcorn. ;)
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« Reply #34 on: 01 April 2010, 00:08:07 »

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ah well  its not the worst thing ive done in my lifetime  and i doubt i will burn for it   id never even heard if "theft by finding. " untill tonight

best not tell you all about the 200 quid a found at a cash machine then eh  :y
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Tell us about that. I'll just get my popcorn. ;)

Pulling up my seat.... :y
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« Reply #35 on: 01 April 2010, 00:09:49 »

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ah well  its not the worst thing ive done in my lifetime  and i doubt i will burn for it   id never even heard if "theft by finding. " untill tonight

best not tell you all about the 200 quid a found at a cash machine then eh  :y
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Tell us about that. I'll just get my popcorn. ;)


naah i will pass

the only thing i didnt get tonight was someone wagging their finger at me  im not about to grass myself up for anything else..


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« Reply #36 on: 01 April 2010, 00:10:37 »

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ah well  its not the worst thing ive done in my lifetime  and i doubt i will burn for it   id never even heard if "theft by finding. " untill tonight

best not tell you all about the 200 quid a found at a cash machine then eh  :y
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Tell us about that. I'll just get my popcorn. ;)

Get me a large Coke whilst you're at it !  :y
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Re: is it stealing?
« Reply #37 on: 01 April 2010, 13:04:11 »

I hope to god that this is some sort of April fools windup, albeit an hour early?

If not, then I have the following comments to make.

Doog:

  • You dishonestly took tangible property, not belonging to you, with the intention to permanently keep it.
  • The example you describe is very clearly theft.
  • No ifs, no buts - you thought you'd chance your arm, and nick it.
  • It is an offence for which you can be arrested, charged, and sent to court.
  • Claiming you didn't know there was such thing as "theft by finding", or quoting "finders keepers" malarkey, is absolutely no defence.


Firstly, if this is indeed true - then I find it staggering that, in addition to stealing the item, you then brag about it on an internet forum. (Yes, that's what I think it amounts to)

Bear in mind that all sorts of authorities have access to your posts on this website, which is available for all to see, you clearly haven't put much thought into doing so.

It is also very easy to track online people down should any authority wish to do so.

Let's use you as an example. No technical skills or priviliged information required, to find out your name and address.

It is ALL easily accessible on the public domain.

Your "MSN" details, for all to see on this forum, consists of your own personal domain name.

A quick "whois" lookup on this domain (which any member of the public can do via any domain registrar website) shows me your name, and your home address. Wonderful!

What is stopping anyone looking at this site, who objects to your actions, from taking screenshots of all your admissions, along with your personal details - and handing it over to the store you stole the item from, or possibly your local constabulary?

You can almost guarantee your actions will be on CCTV, which the store could easily find. In fact, chances are, the rightful owner of the property will attempt to reclaim it, and when it's discovered missing, CCTV will undoubtedly be checked.

Criminals (that's what you are, if the above is true) always float up to the top of the pond before long.

You've admitted previous thefts (nicking £200 from a cashpoint, when you should have handed it to the bank) and you seem quite proud of your dishonesties.

My personal opinion based on this is that you are of bad character, and it's an abhorrant example to set your son.

You are clearly not a very clever man, and it is only a matter of time before you trip yourself up and land yourself in hot water.  :y
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Re: is it stealing?
« Reply #38 on: 01 April 2010, 13:15:52 »

PMSL, sorry James, this is not intended at you, but every single one of you that has replied in this thread.






Have you ever broken the speed limit.

If so, tuck your heads in.


[size=18]Breaking the law is Breaking the law.

No if's or but's, breaking the law is an offence.

So cut the high MORAL standard's

AND ACCEPT YOU ARE ALL LAW BREAKERS.

SIMPLE AS - SO DONT START.

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Re: is it stealing?
« Reply #39 on: 01 April 2010, 13:34:19 »

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PMSL, sorry James, this is not intended at you, but every single one of you that has replied in this thread.





Have you ever broken the speed limit.

If so, tuck your heads in.


[size=18]Breaking the law is Breaking the law.

No if's or but's, breaking the law is an offence.

So cut the high MORAL standard's

AND ACCEPT YOU ARE ALL LAW BREAKERS.

SIMPLE AS - SO DONT START.

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« Reply #40 on: 01 April 2010, 13:49:17 »

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Only a couple here got on their high horse about the morals of what Doug did, most of us managed to answer the question that was asked.

True, and true.  :y
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Re: is it stealing?
« Reply #41 on: 01 April 2010, 14:04:13 »

At the end of the day, by posting about his actions on a public discussion forum, the chap has pretty much dug his own grave in terms of any comments he may receive...
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« Reply #42 on: 01 April 2010, 14:47:47 »

Just to add a "for example" here, my local B+Q have just traced a man who picked up a ladies handbag that fell off the roof when she loaded her baby in the back and forgot about. The CCTV clearly showed him stopping, and picking up the handbag, and then driving off. His details were passed to the police, and he was visited by them within 2 days, and the handbag was returned minus the money in it. He was proscecuted for theft. (reported in the Bristol Observer)

Its too easy to get caught, honesty is the best policy these days, especially with the proliferation of CCTV about.
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« Reply #43 on: 01 April 2010, 15:23:35 »

James   you are so far up your own arse you must stink of shit

I perhaps made an error of judgement  in lifting something from a car park a good distance away from a shop that was pulling its shutters down  that i can see now.

as far as the personal comments made by yourself i would say this.

posting on here about it is perhaps naïve however given i dont think like a criminal and i was  asking a question (see my first post) I didnt think i deserved the personal comments from you  more so i think your comments say more about you than  my post says about me.

bragging about "stealing " a sack barrow on an internet forum  WTF have you been sniffing?  I did not brag about anything its a sack barrow.

get off your high horse  wind you neck back in and stop being mr hobby bobby on here save it for the weekends.

 I asked the question becuase i didnt know the answer.

 now why dont you do best and  spit the dummy press the delete button and get lost mr high and mighty
 your comments would have had more value without the attack on me

 i remember someone on here doing car repairs  then decided to get public liability insurance  then spent forever preaching to everyone who didnt have insurance how that was such a terrible thing  and they needed it.
oddly enough it was ok not to have it before

ring any bells James?
i can read too
and have a good memory
not bad for someone who is clearly not a very clever man

Do you declare all your car repairs to the tax man?

remember people in glass houses etc.......
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« Reply #44 on: 01 April 2010, 15:25:07 »

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Just to add a "for example" here, my local B+Q have just traced a man who picked up a ladies handbag that fell off the roof when she loaded her baby in the back and forgot about. The CCTV clearly showed him stopping, and picking up the handbag, and then driving off. His details were passed to the police, and he was visited by them within 2 days, and the handbag was returned minus the money in it. He was proscecuted for theft. (reported in the Bristol Observer)

Its too easy to get caught, honesty is the best policy these days, especially with the proliferation of CCTV about.
You never know who's watching you!!


that is an identifiable item
easy to track the owner  not realy the same
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