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[Nickbat]

"It now appears that bloggers are becoming a Fifth Estate, a new, and vital, balance in the realm of politics, correcting and curbing the failures and excesses of the Fourth Estate, the press, which is too frequently subservient to the forces of the State, and of their wealthy, and often ruthless, proprietors.


This is why it is absolutely necessary that the internet remains free and open to all. This is why some newspapers need to apologise, such as The Times for its shameful editorial on “village idiots”. Above all, this is why Gordon Brown and Ed Miliband should be ashamed of, and apologise for, their recent attacks on the critics of climate-change science."

Bravo, Philip Stott! Spot on! 

http://web.mac.com/sinfonia1/Clamour_Of_The_Times/Clamour_Of_The_Times/Entries/2010/2/4_The_Day_of_the_Blogger%3A_the_Fifth_Estate_Comes_into_its_Own.html

[Dishevelled Den]

"It now appears that bloggers are becoming a Fifth Estate, a new, and vital, balance in the realm of politics, correcting and curbing the failures and excesses of the Fourth Estate, the press, which is too frequently subservient to the forces of the State, and of their wealthy, and often ruthless, proprietors.


This is why it is absolutely necessary that the internet remains free and open to all. This is why some newspapers need to apologise, such as The Times for its shameful editorial on “village idiots”. Above all, this is why Gordon Brown and Ed Miliband should be ashamed of, and apologise for, their recent attacks on the critics of climate-change science."

Bravo, Philip Stott! Spot on! 

http://web.mac.com/sinfonia1/Clamour_Of_The_Times/Clamour_Of_The_Times/Entries/2010/2/4_The_Day_of_the_Blogger%3A_the_Fifth_Estate_Comes_into_its_Own.html

This is why it is absolutely necessary that the internet remains free and open to all.

That is critical.

The following suggests that those in authority are all too aware of how this freedom can be used to dispute matters presented, as fact, by the state.



  The European Court of Justice has told Sweden that it must implement a 2006 measure requiring telecom operators to store information about their customers’ phone calls and emails

Read more;   http://www.thelocal.se/24784/20100204



Police want backdoor to Web users' private data


But the most controversial element is probably the private Web interface, which raises novel security and privacy concerns, especially in the wake of a recent inspector general's report (PDF) from the Justice Department. The 289-page report detailed how the FBI obtained Americans' telephone records by citing nonexistent emergencies and simply asking for the data or writing phone numbers on a sticky note rather than following procedures required by law


Read more;   http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10446503-38.html


Both taken from this thread;

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1265299685

As the two are perhaps more closely linked than initially appears.

[baz1701]

Isn't that a violation of human rights. One of the very things the Euro Court swore to uphold?

[STMO999]

Coming up on the six o'clock news; A BBC poll on climate change.

[albitz]

Just watched it. The tide is turning fast by the look of things.

[Brick Tamland]

Here it is

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8500443.stm

And in the space of 2 months

[Nickbat]

Here it is

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8500443.stm

And in the space of 2 months

Some common sense showing at last.

Lord Stoddart is also showing that reality is breaking out in the political arena:

"It doesn't matter how many turbines we install, if the wind isn't blowing because of cold, still winter days, the blades won't turn.  Unless there is an urgent rethink of Government policy on power generation, we really are going into a dark and cold age."

Exactly, M'Lord. 

http://www.tfa.net/climatealarmism/2010/02/freezing-winter-weather-exposes-weakness-of-wind-power.html

[albitz]

It is also telling that the Beeb has shown this,I can only imagine that someone in the corridors of power gave the nod for it to happen. They have previously been unashamedly subjective in their reprting of the climate issue.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Here it is

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8500443.stm

And in the space of 2 months

With the weather experienced in the UK it is hardly surprising that a poll will reflect a small percentage increase in people who do not believe in global warming.  The rise from 15% to 25% who say they do not believe is hardly earth shattering.

Ah, and just to add January 2010 has been the warmest on average, world wide, for 32 years:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/dailypolitics/andrewneil/2010/02/2010_will_be_a_very_warm_year.html

Note: This is by "Dr Spencer is a leading and well-qualified climate change sceptic"

Yes, climate change IS taking place: the question is what is causing it.  Now that can be continually debated!

[STMO999]

Here it is

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8500443.stm

And in the space of 2 months

With the weather experienced in the UK it is hardly surprising that a poll will reflect a small percentage increase in people who do not believe in global warming.  The rise from 15% to 25% who say they do not believe is hardly earth shattering.

Ah, and just to add January 2010 has been the warmest on average, world wide, for 32 years:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/dailypolitics/andrewneil/2010/02/2010_will_be_a_very_warm_year.html

Note: This is by "Dr Spencer is a leading and well-qualified climate change sceptic"

Yes, climate change IS taking place: the question is what is causing it.  Now that can be continually debated!

Not by us. We'll all be dead before it has any/no meaningful effect.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Here it is

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8500443.stm

And in the space of 2 months

With the weather experienced in the UK it is hardly surprising that a poll will reflect a small percentage increase in people who do not believe in global warming.  The rise from 15% to 25% who say they do not believe is hardly earth shattering.

Ah, and just to add January 2010 has been the warmest on average, world wide, for 32 years:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/dailypolitics/andrewneil/2010/02/2010_will_be_a_very_warm_year.html

Note: This is by "Dr Spencer is a leading and well-qualified climate change sceptic"

Yes, climate change IS taking place: the question is what is causing it.  Now that can be continually debated!

Not by us. We'll all be dead before it has any/no meaningful effect.

Do you know something, or are you planning to depart soon?

[STMO999]

Here it is

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8500443.stm

And in the space of 2 months

With the weather experienced in the UK it is hardly surprising that a poll will reflect a small percentage increase in people who do not believe in global warming.  The rise from 15% to 25% who say they do not believe is hardly earth shattering.

Ah, and just to add January 2010 has been the warmest on average, world wide, for 32 years:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/dailypolitics/andrewneil/2010/02/2010_will_be_a_very_warm_year.html

Note: This is by "Dr Spencer is a leading and well-qualified climate change sceptic"

Yes, climate change IS taking place: the question is what is causing it.  Now that can be continually debated!

Not by us. We'll all be dead before it has any/no meaningful effect.

Do you know something, or are you planning to depart soon?

Yep.

[Dishevelled Den]

Here it is

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8500443.stm

And in the space of 2 months

With the weather experienced in the UK it is hardly surprising that a poll will reflect a small percentage increase in people who do not believe in global warming.  The rise from 15% to 25% who say they do not believe is hardly earth shattering.

Ah, and just to add January 2010 has been the warmest on average, world wide, for 32 years:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/dailypolitics/andrewneil/2010/02/2010_will_be_a_very_warm_year.html

Note: This is by "Dr Spencer is a leading and well-qualified climate change sceptic"

Yes, climate change IS taking place: the question is what is causing it.  Now that can be continually debated!

Yes, climate change IS taking place: the question is what is causing it

I do agree with you E - although as far as I'm concerned I tend to lean towards the solar camp rather than the anthropogenic.

The real matter for concern is what can be done to lessen the effects of this change on humanity.

With the emphasis on changing our behaviour in a misguided attempt to arrest this change - and all the billions and infringement on personal liberty and choice that it will cost - the real goal of developing sound technology to combat change will be all but ignored for the rather blunt and inelegant tool of taxation, increased pricing and strict control (for the masses at least) of energy use.

This climate change, already part of the earth's cycle, cannot be stopped in my view, and the sooner government's realize this and stop trying to achieve the impossible, the sooner we can develop sensible ways to ensure our continued stewardship of the planet.

[Nickbat]

Here it is

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8500443.stm

And in the space of 2 months

With the weather experienced in the UK it is hardly surprising that a poll will reflect a small percentage increase in people who do not believe in global warming.  The rise from 15% to 25% who say they do not believe is hardly earth shattering.

Ah, and just to add January 2010 has been the warmest on average, world wide, for 32 years:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/dailypolitics/andrewneil/2010/02/2010_will_be_a_very_warm_year.html

Note: This is by "Dr Spencer is a leading and well-qualified climate change sceptic"

Yes, climate change IS taking place: the question is what is causing it.  Now that can be continually debated!

Yes, the average is a record (albeit only in the last 32 years), but an update from Spencer (see link below) shows the spike is mainly due to higher SSTs (Sea Surface Temperatures), probably caused by El Nino. There is an anomalous "hot spot" in the South Pacific. This is being cited as possibly the result of bathymetric (deep ocean) vulcanism, but in the words of Sir Patrick Moore, we simply don't know. Certainly, in way of contrast, land temperatures in the NH have been very cold with records tumbling in many places. It is believed, for example, that the US is experiencing its coldest winter for 25 years.** Covering 70% of the globe, the oceans play a huge role in determining climate. Of course, the oceans are heated by infra-red absorption which, in turn, is affected by cloudiness. As I understand it, the atmosphere does not heat the oceans, and CO2 is therefore not a player in that process. 

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/02/05/spencer-record-january-warmth-is-mostly-sea/


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** Update:

Alert in Baltimore/Washington (sorry about the caps.)
"LOOKING BACK AT THE BIGGEST STORM OF RECORD FOR WASHINGTON DC... THE JANUARY 1922 KNICKERBOCKER STORM...28.0 INCHES OF SNOW WAS PRODUCED FROM 3.02 INCHES OF LIQUID WATER.  CURRENT FORECASTS FOR THIS EVENT HAVE TOTAL LIQUID FALLING FROM THIS STORM APPROACHING 3 INCHES...WHICH ACCORDINGLY WOULD CREATE A SNOWFALL THAT WILL RIVAL THE KNICKERBOCKER STORM TOTAL.  GENERALLY ACROSS THE REGION...20 TO 30 INCHES OF SNOW WILL FALL BY SATURDAY EVENING."

 

Maybe the climate's changing back to 1922. 

[alfie]

You can fool some of the people some of the time,
But you cannot not fool all the people,all of the time.
                     Alfie.