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[Lizzie_Zoom]

The politics of the Middle East are, as most know, very complicated with no simple answers apparently available to resolve to the satisfaction to all.  The Gaza and Israeli situation is just one part of this complex issue.

But how is it that Israel can be so unconcerned with world opinion; so dismissive of human rights issues; can act like Nazis, and generally can be so stupid as to ignore the possible affects of actions that they take which give Israel instant bad PR?

During the night Israeli commandos stormed a "convey" of ships, in International waters, that was bringing in quote "15,000 tons of aid" to Israeli blockaded Gaza.  They managed to kill "at least 10 activists", injuring many others, whilst 4 soldiers were also hurt, one seriously when his own gun was turned on himself!!

In pictures shown on Turkish TV (well done to Cem's nation ) we see commandos storming one particular ship, that consisted of unarmed oldish men and woman "activists".  Israeli claimed these activists attacked their troops with sticks, axes and "firearms"!!  Oh yeah!!

So Israel (highly trained) commandos  attack an aid ship in International waters, that is on its way to assist an already controversial area of the world, and kill apparently non-armed activists carrying out an act to uphold human rights (Gaza is being starved of necessary goods on a daily basis, with the UN even claiming it needs 60,000 tons a day!), and they expect the world to say "well that's ok"??

This would seem to be then another example of 'gung ho' Israel.  When is this to stop??  When the USA stops its support?  When pigs fly!!!!!

So arms may be imported into Gaza without the blockade, but that gives Israel no justification in storming ships in International waters, using guns and killing unarmed civilians, to force them into an Israeli port, without the approval of the UN.  

[cem_devecioglu]

 

shooting at unarmed civils 

israel deserves to get a nuke in the head..

I'm not anti semitic, but attacking ships which bring food cant be explained in any manner..


and for israel.. tell to my hat!

attacking a civil ship with our flag no doubt is a reason for war! we will see..

ps: thanks Lizzie, for your care

[Lizzie_Zoom]

shooting at unarmed civils 

israel deserves to get a nuke in the head..

I'm not anti semitic, but attacking ships which bring food cant be explained in any manner..


and for israel.. tell to my hat!

attacking a civil ship with our flag no doubt is a reason for war! we will see..

ps: thanks Lizzie, for your care

 

Yes Cem my family background is Jewish but there is no way that Israel now represents the Jewish nation.  It acts like the very people it hates most; Nazis!!

Israel has forgotten how to act properly as a civilised democracy, and committing an act of piracy at the very least, if not an act of war, yes maybe against Turkey a Muslim state let alone Palistians, killing innocent people in the process (forget their meaningless apologies now made!) is something they MUST be punished for.

Israel are apparently bracing themselves for reprisals from Palestine, which they deserve.  But they should be fearing far more than that, but no doubt the United States will still act as their minder!!!!!!!!!!!

Barack Obama bring about change PLEASE!!

[cem_devecioglu]

shooting at unarmed civils 

israel deserves to get a nuke in the head..

I'm not anti semitic, but attacking ships which bring food cant be explained in any manner..


and for israel.. tell to my hat!

attacking a civil ship with our flag no doubt is a reason for war! we will see..

ps: thanks Lizzie, for your care

 

Yes Cem my family background is Jewish but there is no way that Israel now represents the Jewish nation.  It acts like the very people it hates most; Nazis!!

Israel has forgotten how to act properly as a civilised democracy, and committing an act of piracy at the very least, if not an act of war, yes maybe against Turkey a Muslim state let alone Palistians, killing innocent people in the process (forget their meaningless apologies now made!) is something they MUST be punished for.

Israel are apparently bracing themselves for reprisals from Palestine, which they deserve.  But they should be fearing far more than that, but no doubt the United States will still act as their minder!!!!!!!!!!!

Barack Obama bring about change PLEASE!!

Lizzie, I think Israel forgot how much we helped their citizens who escaped from Hitler!

But now time for precautions ..

[eliteomegaman]

I'd like to comment on this post & say that i neither condemn nor condone what happened as i wasn't there & havn't seen the footage on tv!

But what i can do is post a clip from a recognised Israeli newspaper ..............

Israel: Activists on Gaza sail had weapons


Deputy Foreign Minister Daniel Ayalon holds press briefing several hours after IDF takes over flotilla headed to Strip, accuses fleet's organizers of having ties to Hamas, al-Qaeda

(Ronen Medzini Published:  05.31.10, 11:24 / Israel News) 

Deputy Foreign Minister Daniel Ayalon said Monday morning that the pro-Palestinian activists on the flotilla sailing to the Gaza Strip had weapons on board. At least 15 people were killed in the raid and some 50 were injured. Six IDF (Israeli Defence Forces) soldiers were also hurt.

 In a first official Israeli response to the deadly Israel Defense Forces takeover of the ships, Ayalon accused the sail's organizers of having ties to the Hamas and al-Qaeda terror organizations.

 "It was a provocation," Ayalon said during a press briefing. "On the deck we found weapons which were used against the forces. The organizers' intent was violent and the results were unfortunate.

 "Israel regrets the loss of life. We called the organizers once and again the stop the provocations. We asked to transfer the aid in legitimate means. We promise that the aid will be transferred through the Red Cross and through our people."

 The deputy foreign minister added, "After the repeated calls, which were unanswered by the people on the boats, they were told that they would not be able to break the blockade. The organizers failed to obey the army's non-violent calls.

 "No sovereign state would tolerate such violence against a law-abiding state and its people. We call on all relevant elements to work together to solve the situation."

 As for the Israeli activities after the raid, Ayalon said, "We are managing the crisis. At the moment the instruction is to cooperate and create the bridges and platforms in order to bring the affair to an end.

"The operational needs dictate a certain operation from a certain distance, and these are the considerations overcoming any other consideration. There was a very close cooperation between Hamas and an external organization. There was economic and operative cooperation."

Ayalon added that at least two guns were found on board the ships and were used by the activists to fire at the soldiers.

Addressing the relations between Israel and Turkey, Ayalon said, "I don't view this as a matter between us and Turkey. The organizers are a private body affiliated with the terror organizations and Hamas. Israel has no interest in a conflict with any country, and we will never initiate a conflict with any country. We call on everyone to come to their senses in order to calm the situation down."
 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I'd like to comment on this post & say that i neither condemn nor condone what happened as i wasn't there & havn't seen the footage on tv!

But what i can do is post a clip from a recognised Israeli newspaper ..............

Israel: Activists on Gaza sail had weapons


Deputy Foreign Minister Daniel Ayalon holds press briefing several hours after IDF takes over flotilla headed to Strip, accuses fleet's organizers of having ties to Hamas, al-Qaeda

(Ronen Medzini Published:  05.31.10, 11:24 / Israel News) 

Deputy Foreign Minister Daniel Ayalon said Monday morning that the pro-Palestinian activists on the flotilla sailing to the Gaza Strip had weapons on board. At least 15 people were killed in the raid and some 50 were injured. Six IDF (Israeli Defence Forces) soldiers were also hurt.

 In a first official Israeli response to the deadly Israel Defense Forces takeover of the ships, Ayalon accused the sail's organizers of having ties to the Hamas and al-Qaeda terror organizations.

 "It was a provocation," Ayalon said during a press briefing. "On the deck we found weapons which were used against the forces. The organizers' intent was violent and the results were unfortunate.

 "Israel regrets the loss of life. We called the organizers once and again the stop the provocations. We asked to transfer the aid in legitimate means. We promise that the aid will be transferred through the Red Cross and through our people."

 The deputy foreign minister added, "After the repeated calls, which were unanswered by the people on the boats, they were told that they would not be able to break the blockade. The organizers failed to obey the army's non-violent calls.

 "No sovereign state would tolerate such violence against a law-abiding state and its people. We call on all relevant elements to work together to solve the situation."

 As for the Israeli activities after the raid, Ayalon said, "We are managing the crisis. At the moment the instruction is to cooperate and create the bridges and platforms in order to bring the affair to an end.

"The operational needs dictate a certain operation from a certain distance, and these are the considerations overcoming any other consideration. There was a very close cooperation between Hamas and an external organization. There was economic and operative cooperation."

Ayalon added that at least two guns were found on board the ships and were used by the activists to fire at the soldiers.

Addressing the relations between Israel and Turkey, Ayalon said, "I don't view this as a matter between us and Turkey. The organizers are a private body affiliated with the terror organizations and Hamas. Israel has no interest in a conflict with any country, and we will never initiate a conflict with any country. We call on everyone to come to their senses in order to calm the situation down."
 

Wow!! Two guns!!

The rest is what you would expect Israel to say!

[eliteomegaman]

I'd like to comment on this post & say that i neither condemn nor condone what happened as i wasn't there & havn't seen the footage on tv!

But what i can do is post a clip from a recognised Israeli newspaper ..............

Israel: Activists on Gaza sail had weapons


Deputy Foreign Minister Daniel Ayalon holds press briefing several hours after IDF takes over flotilla headed to Strip, accuses fleet's organizers of having ties to Hamas, al-Qaeda

(Ronen Medzini Published:  05.31.10, 11:24 / Israel News) 

Deputy Foreign Minister Daniel Ayalon said Monday morning that the pro-Palestinian activists on the flotilla sailing to the Gaza Strip had weapons on board. At least 15 people were killed in the raid and some 50 were injured. Six IDF (Israeli Defence Forces) soldiers were also hurt.

 In a first official Israeli response to the deadly Israel Defense Forces takeover of the ships, Ayalon accused the sail's organizers of having ties to the Hamas and al-Qaeda terror organizations.

 "It was a provocation," Ayalon said during a press briefing. "On the deck we found weapons which were used against the forces. The organizers' intent was violent and the results were unfortunate.

 "Israel regrets the loss of life. We called the organizers once and again the stop the provocations. We asked to transfer the aid in legitimate means. We promise that the aid will be transferred through the Red Cross and through our people."
 The deputy foreign minister added, "After the repeated calls, which were unanswered by the people on the boats, they were told that they would not be able to break the blockade. The organizers failed to obey the army's non-violent calls.
 "No sovereign state would tolerate such violence against a law-abiding state and its people. We call on all relevant elements to work together to solve the situation."

 As for the Israeli activities after the raid, Ayalon said, "We are managing the crisis. At the moment the instruction is to cooperate and create the bridges and platforms in order to bring the affair to an end.

"The operational needs dictate a certain operation from a certain distance, and these are the considerations overcoming any other consideration. There was a very close cooperation between Hamas and an external organization. There was economic and operative cooperation."

Ayalon added that at least two guns were found on board the ships and were used by the activists to fire at the soldiers.

Addressing the relations between Israel and Turkey, Ayalon said, "I don't view this as a matter between us and Turkey. The organizers are a private body affiliated with the terror organizations and Hamas. Israel has no interest in a conflict with any country, and we will never initiate a conflict with any country. We call on everyone to come to their senses in order to calm the situation down."
 

Lizzie exactly what would u like Israel to say that hasn't already been said??  :-?

[Dishevelled Den]

I will comment on this later but for the moment I will say that I have been and will remain a firm supporter of Israel.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I'd like to comment on this post & say that i neither condemn nor condone what happened as i wasn't there & havn't seen the footage on tv!

But what i can do is post a clip from a recognised Israeli newspaper ..............

Israel: Activists on Gaza sail had weapons


Deputy Foreign Minister Daniel Ayalon holds press briefing several hours after IDF takes over flotilla headed to Strip, accuses fleet's organizers of having ties to Hamas, al-Qaeda

(Ronen Medzini Published:  05.31.10, 11:24 / Israel News) 

Deputy Foreign Minister Daniel Ayalon said Monday morning that the pro-Palestinian activists on the flotilla sailing to the Gaza Strip had weapons on board. At least 15 people were killed in the raid and some 50 were injured. Six IDF (Israeli Defence Forces) soldiers were also hurt.

 In a first official Israeli response to the deadly Israel Defense Forces takeover of the ships, Ayalon accused the sail's organizers of having ties to the Hamas and al-Qaeda terror organizations.

 "It was a provocation," Ayalon said during a press briefing. "On the deck we found weapons which were used against the forces. The organizers' intent was violent and the results were unfortunate.

 "Israel regrets the loss of life. We called the organizers once and again the stop the provocations. We asked to transfer the aid in legitimate means. We promise that the aid will be transferred through the Red Cross and through our people."
 The deputy foreign minister added, "After the repeated calls, which were unanswered by the people on the boats, they were told that they would not be able to break the blockade. The organizers failed to obey the army's non-violent calls.
 "No sovereign state would tolerate such violence against a law-abiding state and its people. We call on all relevant elements to work together to solve the situation."

 As for the Israeli activities after the raid, Ayalon said, "We are managing the crisis. At the moment the instruction is to cooperate and create the bridges and platforms in order to bring the affair to an end.

"The operational needs dictate a certain operation from a certain distance, and these are the considerations overcoming any other consideration. There was a very close cooperation between Hamas and an external organization. There was economic and operative cooperation."

Ayalon added that at least two guns were found on board the ships and were used by the activists to fire at the soldiers.

Addressing the relations between Israel and Turkey, Ayalon said, "I don't view this as a matter between us and Turkey. The organizers are a private body affiliated with the terror organizations and Hamas. Israel has no interest in a conflict with any country, and we will never initiate a conflict with any country. We call on everyone to come to their senses in order to calm the situation down."
 

Lizzie exactly what would u like Israel to say that hasn't already been said??  :-?

It's too late to say anything!

Israel have acted with military force in International water without the approval of the UN and killed people trying to help the Palestinian cause against the aggressive stance of a power who wants to determine the future of the whole of that region.

As I stated from the start it IS a complex political situation, but Israel continues to act with the bullet and the bomb killing yet more people without using all diplomatic channels.  It is wrong, plain wrong.  The Palestinians have a right to their own state as much as Israel does, and Israel is an occupying power of 'the Strip' against the wishes of the UN  .  

[cem_devecioglu]

some facts;

Israel is at least pushing Turkey on the iran side..

is forgetting the big fight in Turkey and pushing the votes in the arms of religious parties..

relations with Hamas and El-queda

they must not forget, who crop wind will harvest storm.. soon they will have bombs exploding in their cities.. and I hope they dont ask why

Israel stayed too long with arabs

and apparently they become a terorist country

[Lizzie_Zoom]

some facts;

Israel is at least pushing Turkey on the iran side..

is forgetting the big fight in Turkey and pushing the votes in the arms of religious parties..

relations with Hamas and El-queda

they must not forget, who crop wind will harvest storm.. soon they will have bombs exploding in their cities.. and I hope they dont ask why

Israel stayed too long with arabs

and apparently they become a terorist country

Exactly Cem.

Israel's little excursion will have widescale implications for the region yet again!

The West already faces the North and Sorth Korean situation, the Iranian nuclear stance, and the last thing the region needs is Israel rocking the boat with its miltary might.

[cem_devecioglu]

some facts;

Israel is at least pushing Turkey on the iran side..

is forgetting the big fight in Turkey and pushing the votes in the arms of religious parties..

relations with Hamas and El-queda

they must not forget, who crop wind will harvest storm.. soon they will have bombs exploding in their cities.. and I hope they dont ask why

Israel stayed too long with arabs

and apparently they become a terorist country

Exactly Cem.

Israel's little excursion will have widescale implications for the region yet again!

The West already faces the North and Sorth Korean situation, the Iranian nuclear stance, and the last thing the region needs is Israel rocking the boat with its miltary might.

headings from haaretz :

we will be recorded as fools in the history..

yep.. you will

[Lizzie_Zoom]

some facts;

Israel is at least pushing Turkey on the iran side..

is forgetting the big fight in Turkey and pushing the votes in the arms of religious parties..

relations with Hamas and El-queda

they must not forget, who crop wind will harvest storm.. soon they will have bombs exploding in their cities.. and I hope they dont ask why

Israel stayed too long with arabs

and apparently they become a terorist country

Exactly Cem.

Israel's little excursion will have widescale implications for the region yet again!

The West already faces the North and Sorth Korean situation, the Iranian nuclear stance, and the last thing the region needs is Israel rocking the boat with its miltary might.

headings from haaretz :

we will be recorded as fools in the history..

yep.. you will

That led me to a great link Cem, thanks!

http://www.haaretz.com/

The comments are particularly illuminating with a feeling coming through of "here we go again!"


I am also please with the obvious questioning going on of Israeli tactics in the various reports. 8-) 8-)

[Banjax]

it's difficult to judge Israel by our own standards as the constant fear created by being surrounded by hostile countries informs every military decision, that said for Israel to attack an aid ship in international waters is an act of piracy, and i think they're regretting it as I don't get the feeling Obama will turn as blind an eye as previous US presidents......it'll be interesting to see how US media handle the story

i think a lot of western governments are getting a bit tired of Israels constant aggression, and in this case the boat was inspected by Turkish officials before departing - Israel will try and spin this as an bunch of mercs armed to the teeth, instead of an international humanitarian effort 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

The politics of the Middle East are, as most know, very complicated with no simple answers apparently available to resolve to the satisfaction to all.  The Gaza and Israeli situation is just one part of this complex issue.

But how is it that Israel can be so unconcerned with world opinion; so dismissive of human rights issues; can act like Nazis, and generally can be so stupid as to ignore the possible affects of actions that they take which give Israel instant bad PR?

During the night Israeli commandos stormed a "convey" of ships, in International waters, that was bringing in quote "15,000 tons of aid" to Israeli blockaded Gaza.  They managed to kill "at least 10 activists", injuring many others, whilst 4 soldiers were also hurt, one seriously when his own gun was turned on himself!!

In pictures shown on Turkish TV (well done to Cem's nation ) we see commandos storming one particular ship, that consisted of unarmed oldish men and woman "activists".  Israeli claimed these activists attacked their troops with sticks, axes and "firearms"!!  Oh yeah!!

So Israel (highly trained) commandos  attack an aid ship in International waters, that is on its way to assist an already controversial area of the world, and kill apparently non-armed activists carrying out an act to uphold human rights (Gaza is being starved of necessary goods on a daily basis, with the UN even claiming it needs 60,000 tons a day!), and they expect the world to say "well that's ok"??

This would seem to be then another example of 'gung ho' Israel.  When is this to stop??  When the USA stops its support?  When pigs fly!!!!!

So arms may be imported into Gaza without the blockade, but that gives Israel no justification in storming ships in International waters, using guns and killing unarmed civilians, to force them into an Israeli port, without the approval of the UN.  

Absolutely spot on Lizzie. Just for once I would love the Americans to stand up to Israel.....and tell them that their behaviour is unacceptable.

It seems that Israel answers to no one ......and is completely dismissive of the U.N. and the rest of the world. Obama needs to speak out.

Israel ......the most "out of control" country in the world in my view.....and yes I include North Korea. A preemptive strike on Iran is not out of the question...sadly. :-/ :-/




The destruction and the loss of life (many of whom) were women and children as they invaded both Palestine and Lebanon was a disgrace.  :-/ :-/