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[Nickbat]

Its not possible for either side of this debate to prove the other wrong. So may I suggest we move on PLEAZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz

Following/contributing is not compulsory. 

I would agree. The title of the thread is clear as to content so, if you're bored of it, don't click it!

Simples! 

(I don't click the bus thread very much, for the same reason!)

Mind you, I am getting a shade bored of it myself. I do not discount all conspiracy theories, but this one is just too outlandish.

Most conspiracies concern money and/or power.

Neither can be shown to be the case here, IMHO. 

[Turk]

Its not possible for either side of this debate to prove the other wrong. So may I suggest we move on PLEAZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz

Following/contributing is not compulsory. 

I would agree. The title of the thread is clear as to content so, if you're bored of it, don't click it!

Simples! 

(I don't click the bus thread very much, for the same reason!)

Mind you, I am getting a shade bored of it myself. I do not discount all conspiracy theories, but this one is just too outlandish.

Most conspiracies concern money and/or power.

Neither can be shown to be the case here, IMHO. 

Unlike most conspiracy theories this one has somewhat questionable 'official lines' on almost all aspects. Not just 'quite a few'...almost all.

...and as for 'why?': http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/BushTE.html


From the outset, what we have seen has been questionable:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em_XyTeNA1g&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJmY5-LbH8c&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlgTE3y3MNc

[Unicornrider]

Ok ok ive changed my mind....yes its so much more plausible that three terrorists hijacked three planes and flew them into well guarded American landmarks.

Defying all of america's intelligence services,dodging there massive air defence and then being careless and dropping a passport at ground zero...what a silly billy he was.

Well that's so much more believable.......

Plain fact people..this crime is such a hideous occurrence people just simply do not want too believe its possible.

Only in them there foreigner counties it happens...

Yep i can feel the change....Baaaa Baaaa Baaaaa

Just a quickie, but can you tell me exactly why it is impossible to find a passport in the debris?  :-?

Jesus H Christ mate...the bloody steel frame building must have burnt at incredible temperature too collapse if you believe the guff from the government.

Yet a paper passport doesn't catch fire......

Mate ive nearly wet me self laughing....

The hijacker was in the cockpit. Deceleration from 400-odd mph to zero in a few meters will propel items forward at huge force (see debris flying out of the WTC on the side opposite to first impact). Being in the cockpit at the front of the aircraft, it is highly plausible that the hijacker's body, of parts thereof, would have been ejected forward and through the opposite wall, with clothing and contents being ripped off during that exit.

Still wetting yourself?

Yes as its just ridiculous...how many passports were found in tact,im not talking paper from offices but passports of the passengers on a plane that explodes into a fireball supposedly that's so hot and powerful too demolish a building.

Oh please...its so obvious its insulting.

The sooner people wake up too the fact were not all that nice as a human race the better.

[cem_devecioglu]

Its not possible for either side of this debate to prove the other wrong. So may I suggest we move on PLEAZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz

its not possible.. :-?

with all those pictures, videos, witnesses and explosive chemicals founds in debris I dont understand people why close their eyes to the truth..

what they expect , someone come and tell "yes we did all these" .. I doubt still they will believe..

have a look at these ..

from http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc__demolition_.html

* Progressive collapse doesn’t seem to happen outside of a terrorist incident
 
* A power-down at the WTC provided an opportunity to plant explosives
 
* As did the suspicious removal of the WTCs bomb-sniffing dogs 

* Accounts of WTC explosions from William Rodriguez, Kim White, Louie Cacchioli and many more prove there were bombs in the building 

* The seismic record proves both there were explosions before any planes hit the WTC, and just before the collapse began 

* WTC collapse photos reveal steel columns being fractured and ejected at great speed, something that could only have happened through demolition 

* The WTC steel was split into neat 30 foot lengths during the collapse, strongly indicating the use of explosives 

* The towers fell at free fall speeds 

* A purely gravity-driven collapse could not have provided enough energy to pulverise the WTC concrete and create the observed dust clouds 

* Molten steel found at the WTC couldn’t have been created by fire, but does make sense if explosives were involved
 

* DP Grimmer tells us that it was possible to use thermite at the WTC, but do his calculations stand up to scrutiny? 

* Thermate-signature chemicals have been discovered on WTC samples
 

* And don’t miss Dr Frank Greenings detailed paper on the WTC collapse, which he’s kindly agreed to let us host here
 
* But what about the streams of molten metal, the angle cut beam, the... 

[cem_devecioglu]

and one more .. thinking that a hijacker passport will remain unburned in a flaming air plane is beyond any dreams.. where there are molten steel.. and is a real fraud/make up than being a piece of evidence.. thats not a sicentific way of thinking..

[Nickbat]

and one more .. thinking that a hijacker passport will remain unburned in a flaming air plane is beyond any dreams.. where there are molten steel.. and is a real fraud/make up than being a piece of evidence.. thats not a sicentific way of thinking..

Cem, I've already explained how that is possible!

[cem_devecioglu]

and one more .. thinking that a hijacker passport will remain unburned in a flaming air plane is beyond any dreams.. where there are molten steel.. and is a real fraud/make up than being a piece of evidence.. thats not a sicentific way of thinking..

Cem, I've already explained how that is possible!

Da

[Dave Elite]

Its not possible for either side of this debate to prove the other wrong. So may I suggest we move on PLEAZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz

Just stop looking at the thread

[Unicornrider]

Its not possible for either side of this debate to prove the other wrong. So may I suggest we move on PLEAZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz

Just stop looking at the thread

But this thread is like Thrush...you know you shouldnt scratch but you casnt help it.

Same here..you know you should avoid but you cant help but look.lol.

[bob.dent]

I'm with Nickbat and Lizzie on this one 

Me too, I stopped believing in fairy tales many years ago.
Many conspiracy stories appear to be very feasible because their originators WANT you to believe it.
They're called conspiracy THEORIES because that's exactly what they are......theories.

[Psychoca]

Kerosene fires burn at 287 celcius (549 F), Steel melts at typically above 1300 C (2500 F), so the melted steel could not be melted by the fires caused by the jet fuel...

The passport being found...  The impact of the plane against the side of the building would have compressed a portion of the plane, anything escaping would have been compressed, shredded or burnt (the rear section of the aircraft would probably have burst open after entry into the building)...

The collapsing of WTC 7 20 minutes after it was announced it had fallen down.

The lack of a Black Box from either aircraft...

Explosives can be controlled by other means than cables...

I wouldn't say that there is no conspiracy, but, similarly, I wouldn't say it was a definative act of terrorism either...

[steve_daly]

I'm with Nickbat and Lizzie on this one 

Me too, I stopped believing in fairy tales many years ago.
Many conspiracy stories appear to be very feasible because their originators WANT you to believe it.
They're called conspiracy THEORIES because that's exactly what they are......theories.

But, the only reason anyone believes it was a terrorist attack is because they have been TOLD it was a terrorist attack.

We have all been TOLD it was this guy or that guy and all at the hands of Bin Laden.

I find it funny how people are so ready to believe when they are TOLD a handfull of guys from the Middle East can cause so much destruction, yet find the idea of it being a false flag operation instigated by the biggest world power completely implausible.

Bin Laden has not accepted resposability, it isn't even listed on his FBI rap sheet, yet it must be him and Al-Qaeda. I would rather form my opinions on fact and evidence, than what I'm told to believe.

As I said earlier, Operation Northwoods shows that these false flag operations are a possibility.

Until proved either way, I will keep an open mind.

 

[Nickbat]

Kerosene fires burn at 287 celcius (549 F), Steel melts at typically above 1300 C (2500 F), so the melted steel could not be melted by the fires caused by the jet fuel...

The passport being found...  The impact of the plane against the side of the building would have compressed a portion of the plane, anything escaping would have been compressed, shredded or burnt (the rear section of the aircraft would probably have burst open after entry into the building)...

The collapsing of WTC 7 20 minutes after it was announced it had fallen down.

The lack of a Black Box from either aircraft...

Explosives can be controlled by other means than cables...

I wouldn't say that there is no conspiracy, but, similarly, I wouldn't say it was a definative act of terrorism either...

By that logic, a driver not wearing a seatbelt would never be cannoned through the windscreen in the event of a head-on collision. 

[bob.dent]

I'm with Nickbat and Lizzie on this one 

Me too, I stopped believing in fairy tales many years ago.
Many conspiracy stories appear to be very feasible because their originators WANT you to believe it.
They're called conspiracy THEORIES because that's exactly what they are......theories.

But, the only reason anyone believes it was a terrorist attack is because they have been TOLD it was a terrorist attack.

We have all been TOLD it was this guy or that guy and all at the hands of Bin Laden.

I find it funny how people are so ready to believe when they are TOLD a handfull of guys from the Middle East can cause so much destruction, yet find the idea of it being a false flag operation instigated by the biggest world power completely implausible.

Bin Laden has not accepted resposability, it isn't even listed on his FBI rap sheet, yet it must be him and Al-Qaeda. I would rather form my opinions on fact and evidence, than what I'm told to believe.

As I said earlier, Operation Northwoods shows that these false flag operations are a possibility.

Until proved either way, I will keep an open mind.

 

Same could be said about conspiracy theories!
Conspiracy theories are generally originated by unscrupilous money grabbing barstewards hoping to make a quick profit from the misery of disaster or major events such as the moon landing - planting seeds of doubt under the heading of "conspiracy theory" in the minds of the public is always good for increasing the sale of stories to TV,  magazines, newspapers etc.
It happens nearly every time there's a major disaster or event in the world.

[steve_daly]

I'm with Nickbat and Lizzie on this one 

Me too, I stopped believing in fairy tales many years ago.
Many conspiracy stories appear to be very feasible because their originators WANT you to believe it.
They're called conspiracy THEORIES because that's exactly what they are......theories.

But, the only reason anyone believes it was a terrorist attack is because they have been TOLD it was a terrorist attack.

We have all been TOLD it was this guy or that guy and all at the hands of Bin Laden.

I find it funny how people are so ready to believe when they are TOLD a handfull of guys from the Middle East can cause so much destruction, yet find the idea of it being a false flag operation instigated by the biggest world power completely implausible.

Bin Laden has not accepted resposability, it isn't even listed on his FBI rap sheet, yet it must be him and Al-Qaeda. I would rather form my opinions on fact and evidence, than what I'm told to believe.

As I said earlier, Operation Northwoods shows that these false flag operations are a possibility.

Until proved either way, I will keep an open mind.

 

Same could be said about conspiracy theories!
Conspiracy theories are generally originated by unscrupilous money grabbing barstewards hoping to make a quick profit from the misery of disaster or major events such as the moon landing - planting seeds of doubt under the heading of "conspiracy theory" in the minds of the public is always good for increasing the sale of stories to TV,  magazines, newspapers etc.
It happens nearly every time there's a major disaster or event in the world.

That's my point.