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[albitz]

I also believe that there us plenty more to come Mike, and the same agitators will be infiltrating and trouble making at every opportunity. They have no interest in the causes they are marching with, They want to overthrow capitalism, and see these events as a means to help them achieve that end,
I have seen many students speaking on TV today who were completely sickened by the way these people had hijacked their protest.

[Kevin Wood]

What the "students" are doing is showing political anarchy which 'in youth' may seem very attractive, as any Friday night punch up in Folkestone may appear!

So we have us on here who jabber away, and may do nothing more than rant.  Fair enough that is everyone's right, and in many cases you can do no more!  But what I say is don't automatically condemn those who voice their political argument in more physical terms. What has led those to take that action is the question to be asked.  What has society done to produce that level of anger?  Is it a minority, or a bigger underground flow of political agitation?

Who knows, but in this instance the level of violence is way beyond acceptable levels.

It's not so much what society has done. I was there when students were organising similar protests against the poll tax, as I say. It wasn't so much anything to do with society, IMHO, but a bunch of not-quite-as-mature-as-they-think-they-are spoilt little kids who leave home for the first time and suddenly come to the realisation that they aren't getting everything delivered on a plate (oh, sorry - that's life, by the way).

Then someone hustles them onto a bus and- well, it beats another boring day at the SU bar library, so why not?

I actually thought that the poll tax was a pretty fair way to organise things, and told them so. We all generate rubbish, get caught short and use public loos, read library books, etc. It amounted to a couple of pints a week. Why shouldn't we pay equally for it?

Kevin

[albitz]

I think some senior people in the Met Police have some serious questions to answer,they were totally unprepared for this and left some poor sods in an extremely vulnerable position, trying to defend law and order. They were fortunate they didnt have police officers killed yesterday.
I cant understand how they were so unprepared tbh, I cant remember the last major event of this type in London which wasnt hijacked to some extent by brain dead so called Anarchists.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I too have read a lot of Irish history and long since came to the conclusion that almost all of it is shamelessly biased towards one  or other side of the divide. As for "experts", I have heard many of them speak on TV and radio, and wondered if they were talking about the same place that I grew up in. I like to think of myself as a free thinking individual, I have little interest in which way the tide is flowing. So I have reached my own conclusions based on my own 20 years of living there,first hand experiences, many conversations with people who have been involved in some way or other, and reading/ listening to the opinions of politicians and "experts" on the subject.
Not much point in me bothering to type them up , as I think Zulu has got it absolutely spot on. Not biased in any way, but objective and factual in a manner which could only come from a good degree of first hand knowledge and a free thinking mind, which isnt easily swayed in one direction or the other by armchair experts etc.

I accept what you say completely Albs, and recognise perhaps that I have been "coloured" over the years which could well mean I am biased and wrong!   I have also a sneaking admiration of the early IRA, with Michael Collins, fighting against a long history of British rule, which had undoubtedly been extremely cruel.

Do not get me wrong, the IRA of the "Troubles" committed many crimes that I cannot condon, although it rather goes back to what I was trying to explain earlier; man wants change, and there are various ways you can grade the action to achieve it.  The IRA went the whole way with, as an example, the Birmingham Bombings was a murderous atrocity against innocent people.  The IRA considered it a simple act in a War against the British. And that is always the big factor in these matters; the perception of people on what is happening, what should be done, and how action is taken.  A dilemma for all.


On the issue of the student riots, there will today be many who attended asking themselves if they want to be part of it.  Their perception no doubt be tested, and another learning curve will be achieved in their very young, inexperienced, lives.  But at least they have tried to bring about change, albeit with a minority who have tried too hard with dubious objectives!

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

New Labour has degraded degrees to such a point, virtually every job advert now requires one. A degree is nothing special now.

I do strongly disagree with the protesters.  If that is your chosen direction, you should bloody well have to pay for it!  Every time I have been to college for evening classes, I have had to pay full price.  When she did her degree, she had to pay full price (although her work subsidised parts of it).  Why should our taxes pay for the work shy teenagers to do a pointless non-subject course?

Aww  come on you miserable lot.....it's just kids having a bit of harmless fun......

[albitz]

I will leave the last word on the subject to the Daily Mash.
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/britain-backs-middle-class-children-who-want-the-moon-on-a-stick-201011103243/

[aaronjb]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11829102

They're at it again.. on the news at the moment there's footage of some 'youths' destroying a police van, while one young female student (who, incidentally, looked quite cute ) remonstrated with the 'protesters' to stop as it was supposed to be peaceful..

The BBC also called it, and I believe I quote, 'Relatively peaceful' - compared to the Paris riots, I suppose so! 


Bring out the riot police, I say!

[tunnie]

New Labour has degraded degrees to such a point, virtually every job advert now requires one. A degree is nothing special now.

I do strongly disagree with the protesters.  If that is your chosen direction, you should bloody well have to pay for it!  Every time I have been to college for evening classes, I have had to pay full price.  When she did her degree, she had to pay full price (although her work subsidised parts of it).  Why should our taxes pay for the work shy teenagers to do a pointless non-subject course?

Its not just the bit of paper, it where it sends you in life. Would I be here, with my own zone2 flat in London, working for Sky, if i did not go to Uni? Very much doubt it.

Had no idea what I wanted to do leaving college, or joining Uni. My BSc in Multimedia Design varied hugely from Java Programming to 3D design to Video Editing and on to Art!

It was only when I did my final year mobile application project which got me into the mobile industry, from that my first job in Covent Garden.

My degree just got my through the paper sift, thats all! My work and my final year project actually got me the job. Other people in my class which did cr@p final year projects are still working behind cash desk at their local Cinema!

If I had not gone to Uni and down that road into mobile, I would most likely still be a shelf stacker in Tesco, like some of my friends back at home are still doing!

Something had to be done, otherwise these fee's would be unquestioned, as i posted earlier, this new fee cap means average London Student would leave Uni with £65k of Debt!

Fc*king insane! My student debt of 10k costs me £180 a month in repayments (its % based on your salary what you pay back), so a 65k debt, the monthly payments will be roughly £1,000  It makes no financial sense going to Uni.

Fair play to them, something has to be done....

[geoffr70]

Just more bloody people who want something for nothing. Great, education is free, but who pays for the maintenance of buildings and lecturers salaries etc? The bloody students that's who.

They're just so used to their mollycoddled world of getting anything and everything they want. Besides half their bloody student loans get pi**ed up the wall, and they just want no fees so they can have a better lifetsyle at the taxpayers expense. You go to university to learn, not to have a great 3/4 years at my expense thank you very much.

If I was an employer, I wouldn't favour anyone with a degree. These students should get out and live in the real world and understand that money doesn't grow on trees.

They go on their protests and marches and think they know it all!! It makes me laugh!

[TheBoy]

New Labour has degraded degrees to such a point, virtually every job advert now requires one. A degree is nothing special now.

I do strongly disagree with the protesters.  If that is your chosen direction, you should bloody well have to pay for it!  Every time I have been to college for evening classes, I have had to pay full price.  When she did her degree, she had to pay full price (although her work subsidised parts of it).  Why should our taxes pay for the work shy teenagers to do a pointless non-subject course?

Its not just the bit of paper, it where it sends you in life. Would I be here, with my own zone2 flat in London, working for Sky, if i did not go to Uni? Very much doubt it.

Had no idea what I wanted to do leaving college, or joining Uni. My BSc in Multimedia Design varied hugely from Java Programming to 3D design to Video Editing and on to Art!

It was only when I did my final year mobile application project which got me into the mobile industry, from that my first job in Covent Garden.

My degree just got my through the paper sift, thats all! My work and my final year project actually got me the job. Other people in my class which did cr@p final year projects are still working behind cash desk at their local Cinema!

If I had not gone to Uni and down that road into mobile, I would most likely still be a shelf stacker in Tesco, like some of my friends back at home are still doing!

Something had to be done, otherwise these fee's would be unquestioned, as i posted earlier, this new fee cap means average London Student would leave Uni with £65k of Debt!

Fc*king insane! My student debt of 10k costs me £180 a month in repayments (its % based on your salary what you pay back), so a 65k debt, the monthly payments will be roughly £1,000  It makes no financial sense going to Uni.

Fair play to them, something has to be done....

Not sure thats something to be proud of - its just another corporate  :-/.  I can say this from a position of authority, as I too work for just another corporate...

[TheBoy]

Our authorities could learn a lot from the Chinese, and their method of crowd control in Tiananmen Square.

I reckon if snipers popped the prat doing mindless criminal damage to OUR property (the prick trying (and failing, bloody retard) to smash the blue lights on the van), then the crowd would have dispersed. And it wouldn't have been a wasted life, it would save us a fortune paying benefits to that retard.

[geoffr70]

Our authorities could learn a lot from the Chinese, and their method of crowd control in Tiananmen Square.

I reckon if snipers popped the prat doing mindless criminal damage to OUR property (the prick trying (and failing, bloody retard) to smash the blue lights on the van), then the crowd would have dispersed. And it wouldn't have been a wasted life, it would save us a fortune paying benefits to that retard.

Well said

[albitz]

Our authorities could learn a lot from the Chinese, and their method of crowd control in Tiananmen Square.

I reckon if snipers popped the prat doing mindless criminal damage to OUR property (the prick trying (and failing, bloody retard) to smash the blue lights on the van), then the crowd would have dispersed. And it wouldn't have been a wasted life, it would save us a fortune paying benefits to that retard.

you wishy washy Liberals do my head in.

[millwall]

And our taxes pay for repairs to police wagons, dont i get the democratic right to have tax payers property protected.

People always go on about protestors rights while forgetting the rights of the rest of us to enable to get home from work in a reasonable time instead of being held up by a load of unwashed spongers on a jolly.

 

[Auto Addict]

Does this mean they won't be able to afford to run cars and drink large quantities of alcahol?

Tidy up Selly Oak a bit where Birmingham University is located.

Every road is chock a block with students cars, and the streets are a disgrace with beer cans and pizza cartons everwhere.

The area is rife with rats thriving on discarded food and bin bags left out for a week before the refuse collection, with their contents spilling out all over the pavements.

Put up the fees I say.