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[albitz]

They are all getting a bit excited in London at the moment.
No doubt organised by the usual rent a mob from the Socialist w**kers party.
The solution is simples imo - send em all to Scotland.

[bluey]

Bloody soap dodgers. 

I remember going on a demo when I was a boozing, shagaholic workshy student.  Poll tax I think.  Only went because the local nursing college had got a load going as well and I fancied something in uniform.   

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Yes and full marks to them!

About time there were more protests about rising Student Fees!

Their actions should give the Political studies students a few marks towards their grades

[albitz]

I was seriously considering taking a degree next year , subject - Take That, the early years. The fees are putting me off though.

[Brick Tamland]

I was at a march in Dublin last week when the riots started.

http://thedailyedge.thejournal.ie/in-pictures-the-student-protest-2010-11/

[Kevin Wood]

I was seriously considering taking a degree next year , subject - Take That, the early years. The fees are putting me off though.

So they should.

Having gone through university back when it was all paid for I think the levels of fees currently being touted would make me seriously reconsider whether I want to end up £30k+ in debt at the start of my career just for a certificate, which is a shame for those for whom university education is the right choice.

It's a product of B.Liar's ridiculous assertion that 50% of school leavers need a degree and the proliferation of useless degree courses, IMHO. The state simply can't fund that.

Mine was an engineering degree and pretty much full time education: 9-5 most days with lab sessions and lectures with a good bit of work to take home too.

Even back then there were other students studying other disciplines doing useful activities for no more than a handful of hours a week. Back then I wondered at the sense of the public purse funding this and I don't think it's got any better, nor will it if we are to educate 50% of school leavers to degree level. :-/

I'm not trying to belittle anyone's education here. I just don't believe university is the answer to most people's (or employer's) needs. University is there to set people up for a career in academic research not for the career of practical work at the coal-face in industry that most people end up following.

The fact that most students (myself included) leave after a bachelors degree, go into industry and then have to learn on-the-job from a practical perspective rather than a theoretical perspective how to get the job done shows how irrelevant most degree courses are to real jobs.

I think what we need is to get back to the 1960's level of 20% or so of people going to university and then, mostly, into academic research with a proper government grant but to fill the gap with decent, more practical training that will put people straight into jobs in industry.

Kevin

[Elite Pete]

Yes and full marks to them!

About time there were more protests about rising Student Fees!

Their actions should give the Political studies students a few marks towards their grades

It will probably have a good effect on their livers, they won't have as much to wee up the wall 

[tunnie]

i would have been put off, I got through just before they were raised from £1.1k to £3k.

Remember this is just the fee's, no books, no rent, no food, for London Uni's you get £5k a year for living, this is supposed to pay all rent, food, books, computers you need.

So with a course like mine (4 year sandwich) you can have £20k of debt from that, then add in another £40k in fees, which means a £60k leaving debt 

I'd be would smash up something if that was going to happen!

I have student debt, but its now sub 10k, which is still £160 out of my pay each month, so when leaving Uni you may earn a fair bit, but actual take home will be what a Tesco trolly pusher makes, or, you will be 120 years old before its paid off

[albitz]

Kevin - nail on head.

A lot of criminal damage being done. - I hope the NUS is made to pay the bill and the individuals concerned (if they actually are students) are banned from every campus in the country - for life.

I believe (as Kevin alluded to) that there are far too many people at Uni these days. Reduce the numbers and raise the standards. Degrees have been devalued,diluted and demeaned in the last decade or so.

If there are going to be fees why dont all students in the UK pay a fixed amount, rather than students in England paying one amount and the rest of the UK paying nothing.

[Banjax]

I was seriously considering taking a degree next year , subject - Take That, the early years. The fees are putting me off though.

So they should.

Having gone through university back when it was all paid for I think the levels of fees currently being touted would make me seriously reconsider whether I want to end up £30k+ in debt at the start of my career just for a certificate, which is a shame for those for whom university education is the right choice.

It's a product of B.Liar's ridiculous assertion that 50% of school leavers need a degree and the proliferation of useless degree courses, IMHO. The state simply can't fund that.

Mine was an engineering degree and pretty much full time education: 9-5 most days with lab sessions and lectures with a good bit of work to take home too.

Even back then there were other students studying other disciplines doing useful activities for no more than a handful of hours a week. Back then I wondered at the sense of the public purse funding this and I don't think it's got any better, nor will it if we are to educate 50% of school leavers to degree level. :-/

I'm not trying to belittle anyone's education here. I just don't believe university is the answer to most people's (or employer's) needs. University is there to set people up for a career in academic research not for the career of practical work at the coal-face in industry that most people end up following.

The fact that most students (myself included) leave after a bachelors degree, go into industry and then have to learn on-the-job from a practical perspective rather than a theoretical perspective how to get the job done shows how irrelevant most degree courses are to real jobs.

I think what we need is to get back to the 1960's level of 20% or so of people going to university and then, mostly, into academic research with a proper government grant but to fill the gap with decent, more practical training that will put people straight into jobs in industry.

Kevin

I kind of agree with you Kevin, having done a "proper" engineering degree back in the 80's the weeks were choc full of lectures, labs, tutorials.....I despair at some of the courses available back then - but more so now, all these "media studies" 3hrs a week and coursework if you feel up to it degrees that surely cant be worth the paper they're written on? how many media students does the world need? engineers, doctors, chemists, physicists, scientists I dont mind having taxes pay for....but "management science" or "retail marketing" or "film and tv studies"...er - fund that yourself bud 

[albitz]

Banjax - that post made a lot of sense.

Im going to lie down in a dark room now.

[aaronjb]

I realise I am at odds with .. most people, I imagine, but personally I think university degrees should be entirely self funded (via loans if necessary)..

[Banjax]

Banjax - that post made a lot of sense.

Im going to lie down in a dark room now.

 

its all a dream Albs, soon you'll wake up and I'll be spouting off about bankers again 

[Nickbat]

Banjax - that post made a lot of sense.

Im going to lie down in a dark room now.

Yes, it did make sense.

Think I might have to join you in that dark room, Albs!   

[albitz]

Watching it unfold on Sky news - time to bring in the tear gas and mounted riot squad imo.