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[Kevin Wood]

Who pays for a music anyway 

People who arent thieves ? :-/

About 10% of the young population then 

Crime has moved on, its no longer about nicking a CD from HMV (well the dumb-ass chavs do)

95% of people i know torrent their music, films and TV shows. Big Bang Theory for example, I have download episodes and watch it before its even aired on the East cost of the USA   

But on the legal side..

http://www.spotify.com/uk/

Millions of tracks, on demand, for free, nothing, sod all! Just put up with an advert every 5 tracks.

You key in almost any artist, track, album from recent times, its there. Streaming in excellent quality for free.

Not 3 phrases that will ever be in a truthful statement on music, IMHO. If you just want background noise, then fine. You probably won't even notice the adverts.

Only legal way to get listenable music is on the humble CD.

So again, who pays for music? 

Me, for one.

Kevin

[Webby the Bear]

i had a debate with my mate about the free music thing.

one of his arguments was that when you buy a cd you get loads of info on the band and pictures etc. hmmmm well that may have been true 10-20 years ago, but i bought a cd recently. it was a single paper. one side was the front cover, there other had a crap pic of the band and details of the producers, band members' name etc.

how rubbish when he could have downoaded the entire album for free!!!!

the other argument is that it stops new bands coming thru. i havent heard a band that is awsome for years. the occasional one hit wonders then nothing.

[Kevin Wood]

Well, it that 'ain't the beginning of the end, this is:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/11/nokia_microsoft_smartphone_agreement/

The ultimate act of desperation. Getting into bed with the beast of Redmond.

I've known a few mobile phone manufacturers do this. They've all ended up getting asset-stripped then shafted.

Kevin

[tunnie]

Well, it that 'ain't the beginning of the end, this is:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/11/nokia_microsoft_smartphone_agreement/

The ultimate act of desperation. Getting into bed with the beast of Redmond.

I've known a few mobile phone manufacturers do this. They've all ended up getting asset-stripped then shafted.

Kevin

Thats the American way!

Exactly same happened to the company I used to work for, first thing i said after the announcement of the American buy-out of us, is this will be an asset strip, all tech outsourced and this will be a small commercial office.

Exactly what I thought happened in less than 18 months.

It was inevitable, they were not going to get into bed with new boys Android. I 've asked my Boss for a Windows 7 phone for me to experiment, its a year away from before its really going to catch up, but it looks interesting!

[TheBoy]

Well, it that 'ain't the beginning of the end, this is:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/11/nokia_microsoft_smartphone_agreement/

The ultimate act of desperation. Getting into bed with the beast of Redmond.

I've known a few mobile phone manufacturers do this. They've all ended up getting asset-stripped then shafted.

Kevin

The industry's worse kept secret for this year so far

Nokia had run out of options. Its own Linux based system is too late (Android now dominates that), and was only going to appeal to the geeks. Symbian, too old. iOS isn't available. So a simple toss-up between Windows and Android.

Seeing as the head honcho is ex-Microsoft, it was a no-brainer.  Although deeper than that, I suspect Nokia could see the dead-end that Android is heading down, having been there with Symbian.  In addition, I suspect picking Android would have peed off their Meego partner somewhat


It could work out well for both sides - Nokia get an OS that doesn't need Nokia's (notoriously slow) developers to develop, Microsoft get a decent, reliable (most of the time) handset manufacturer, rather than relying on HTC, who release non-stop junk that pretty much killed the Windows 6 brand.

[Kevin Wood]

The problem is, Microsoft needs people who can stick chips onto PCBs and then put them in a plastic case. HTC without the quality issues.

Nokia's overheads are a little high for that. Where is the value for Nokia in this deal? I'm sure MS will have the market for apps, online services, media sales, etc. sewn up so Nokia will see little action there.

It's no secret that they have failed miserably to keep up in the smartphone area (and offloaded the more profitable parts of the business to boot ). A couple of years back it looked like they could weather not being in the smart phone end of the business. Suddenly, it IS the business.

As I say, this is an act of desperation. I'd be panicking if I were working for Nokia.

Kevin

[cem_devecioglu]

Who wants to go to noisy pub, when I can discover bands from my sofa and drink beer at half the price? 

Err, more ladies in those loud, noisy pubs than there are on your sofa 

definitely.. 

[Martin_1962]

Who pays for a music anyway 

People who arent thieves ? :-/

About 10% of the young population then 

Crime has moved on, its no longer about nicking a CD from HMV (well the dumb-ass chavs do)

95% of people i know torrent their music, films and TV shows. Big Bang Theory for example, I have download episodes and watch it before its even aired on the East cost of the USA   

But on the legal side..

http://www.spotify.com/uk/

Millions of tracks, on demand, for free, nothing, sod all! Just put up with an advert every 5 tracks.

You key in almost any artist, track, album from recent times, its there. Streaming in excellent quality for free.

Not 3 phrases that will ever be in a truthful statement on music, IMHO. If you just want background noise, then fine. You probably won't even notice the adverts.

Only legal way to get listenable music is on the humble CD.

So again, who pays for music? 

Me, for one.

Kevin

Actually there are better ways

Use something like This

And play SACD and
DVD-Audio

[Kevin Wood]

Actually there are better ways

Use something like This

And play SACD and
DVD-Audio

Yes, but then you're travelling back into the 1980's with concepts such as getting up and putting a disk into a player. <shudder> 

If CD isn't good enough there's always 24/96. At least there's the potential to get the raw data out of the player and into a decent DAC, or download FLACs so you can keep them on a more useful storage medium.

I generally listen to "oldish" recordings (60's / 70's / 80's). I really wonder how much more is in them over and above what a decent 16/44.1 system can deliver?

Kevin

[Lizzie_Zoom]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12403466

Someone with sense at the top has finally accepted Symbian is shyte and needs to be dropped.

I don't think they have time to develop their own new O/S.

I think Microsoft should step in when they are on the brink, snap them up and have the their own manufacturing setup. Although that might annoy HTC!

It has just been announced Tunnie that Nokia and Microsoft are joining forces 8-) 8-) 8-)

[Lazydocker]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12403466

Someone with sense at the top has finally accepted Symbian is shyte and needs to be dropped.

I don't think they have time to develop their own new O/S.

I think Microsoft should step in when they are on the brink, snap them up and have the their own manufacturing setup. Although that might annoy HTC!

It has just been announced Tunnie that Nokia and Microsoft are joining forces 8-) 8-) 8-)

It's about 6 posts up Lizzie

IMO, I wouldn't risk a Windows Mobile for a few years after my experiences with a HP mobile running WinMob... Useless pile of shite needed resteting every 5 minutes

[Lizzie_Zoom]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12403466

Someone with sense at the top has finally accepted Symbian is shyte and needs to be dropped.

I don't think they have time to develop their own new O/S.

I think Microsoft should step in when they are on the brink, snap them up and have the their own manufacturing setup. Although that might annoy HTC!

It has just been announced Tunnie that Nokia and Microsoft are joining forces 8-) 8-) 8-)

It's about 6 posts up Lizzie

IMO, I wouldn't risk a Windows Mobile for a few years after my experiences with a HP mobile running WinMob... Useless pile of shite needed resteting every 5 minutes

Oh sorry!

Just shows how little I read these tech threads

[Lazydocker]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12403466

Someone with sense at the top has finally accepted Symbian is shyte and needs to be dropped.

I don't think they have time to develop their own new O/S.

I think Microsoft should step in when they are on the brink, snap them up and have the their own manufacturing setup. Although that might annoy HTC!

It has just been announced Tunnie that Nokia and Microsoft are joining forces 8-) 8-) 8-)

It's about 6 posts up Lizzie

IMO, I wouldn't risk a Windows Mobile for a few years after my experiences with a HP mobile running WinMob... Useless pile of shite needed resteting every 5 minutes

Oh sorry!

Just shows how little I read these tech threads

Must confess, I don't normally worry too much but, for some strange reason, was keeping up with this one

[tunnie]

Microsoft knew Win6 was dead, Windows 7 live 'tiles' system do look interesting, so much so i've asked for one to be ordered for me as a little toy 

Its lacking some key features at the moment like copy & paste  But by the end of year it should be a match for the current leaders.

If they can get the hardware needed to drive it, and make it stable, with Nokia they really could get some slice of the market.

One of the big problems with iPhones is they are not offered free unless you go for very high contacts, reason android phones sell is they are free on contract. If Win7 can match Apples experience for less, who knows.

But this is Microsoft, they are not very good at marketing to non-business  :-/

[Lazydocker]

One of the big problems with iPhones is they are not offered free unless you go for very high contacts, reason android phones sell is they are free on contract. If Win7 can match Apples experience for less, who knows.

Mine was... Both of them

Same contract I would have been on with an Android handset but with the iPhone

Took a lot of bartering on their part though... The threat of losing a long standing customer did seem to matter to Three, which surprised me TBH