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Re: Libya Imploding?
« Reply #105 on: 22 February 2011, 22:20:01 »
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The nutcase to be honest needs assassinating.

A little bit of SAS usage would save thousands of lives

 ;D  Martin, with many people similiar him, soon will pop another.. :-/

its the culture that creates those tyrants..


you know why ? because those people believe absolute power, not democracy.. 

Yes, power is the reason for being.
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Re: Libya Imploding?
« Reply #106 on: 23 February 2011, 22:11:44 »
Nice to see The Condems burst into action getting its foreign nationals out of Lybia so quickly. wait a minute we haven't done it yet. The charter plane has a fault? WTF. Is that the ONLY plane available to Britain in an emergency. RAF? Ryanair? Alan Sugars jet?

We should have acted quicker like our European neighbours did. Even Turkey managed to get its nationals out and they used a ship (not the fastest of transport) .

The only excuse is that maybe they are planning a simultaneous assault with military planes to rescue all the Europeans stuck in desert camps while the charter plane lands in Tripoli.

I am glad I am not stuck there.
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« Reply #107 on: 23 February 2011, 22:19:02 »
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Nice to see The Condems burst into action getting its foreign nationals out of Lybia so quickly. wait a minute we haven't done it yet. The charter plane has a fault? WTF. Is that the ONLY plane available to Britain in an emergency. RAF? Ryanair? Alan Sugars jet?

We should have acted quicker like our European neighbours did. Even Turkey managed to get its nationals out and they used a ship (not the fastest of transport) .

The only excuse is that maybe they are planning a simultaneous assault with military planes to rescue all the Europeans stuck in desert camps while the charter plane lands in Tripoli.

I am glad I am not stuck there.

Sorry, Varche, I just made a new thread as you were posting about the same issue here. :-[
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Re: Libya Imploding?
« Reply #108 on: 23 February 2011, 22:27:01 »
Not many years ago the RAF had a "fleet" of aircraft .. called Transport Command .... VC10's, Tristars, Hercules ( in years before we had Comets, Brittanias, Argosys) these were used for the movement of troops atound the world, and the evacuation of civilians when required. My first "war" was the evacuation of Cyprus after the Turks invaded it in the 70's

This no longer applies... the labour government prevented the replacement of the fleet as it got older and worn out ... the Hercules was built in the 1960's, as was the VC10 ...  a few are still flying in the RAF but are not suitable for the evacuation role.

Troop movement is, mostly, done by "civilian charter" .. which is what has be arranged for the Lbyian evacuation ... however this has severe problems:

The crews have to agree to go to a danger zone as they are civilians.
The aircraft has to be chartered with the specifics of a danger zone.
Insurance has to be arranged and paid for.
The aircraft operates under civilian rules, so requires diplomatic clearance from Libya before it can depart.

All these things take time....unlike the 70's when a crew was simply ordered to go at 2 hours notice, because they, and an aircraft, were permanently on 2 hour readiness.

You can't run a taxi firm without any cars .... :(
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« Reply #109 on: 23 February 2011, 22:28:05 »
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Nice to see The Condems burst into action getting its foreign nationals out of Lybia so quickly. wait a minute we haven't done it yet. The charter plane has a fault? WTF. Is that the ONLY plane available to Britain in an emergency. RAF? Ryanair? Alan Sugars jet?

We should have acted quicker like our European neighbours did. Even Turkey managed to get its nationals out and they used a ship (not the fastest of transport) .

The only excuse is that maybe they are planning a simultaneous assault with military planes to rescue all the Europeans stuck in desert camps while the charter plane lands in Tripoli.

I am glad I am not stuck there.



But Varche my dear man, we are British and it is seen to be very improper and unseemly not to act as though nothing is happening, avoiding the panick as displayed by the lesser nationals do!! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) 

Remember that wonderful scene in the Carry-On film, Up the Kyber??  All hell braking loose, but the British carry on enjoying their lunch! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

We are really like that you know.  Goes with the stiff upper lip, along with not being seen to abandoning ones duty and loyalty in the interests of our own safety :D :D :D ;)
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« Reply #110 on: 23 February 2011, 22:42:11 »
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Nice to see The Condems burst into action getting its foreign nationals out of Lybia so quickly. wait a minute we haven't done it yet. The charter plane has a fault? WTF. Is that the ONLY plane available to Britain in an emergency. RAF? Ryanair? Alan Sugars jet?

We should have acted quicker like our European neighbours did. Even Turkey managed to get its nationals out and they used a ship (not the fastest of transport) .
The only excuse is that maybe they are planning a simultaneous assault with military planes to rescue all the Europeans stuck in desert camps while the charter plane lands in Tripoli.

I am glad I am not stuck there.

both airplanes and ships are used.. but as the distance is short (relatively) and 27000  :o Turkish citizen needs to be evacuated ships must be used (also for safety reasons commandos included in those ships) and battleships were send also  :-? :-?

what ? are we going to war ? ;D
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« Reply #111 on: 23 February 2011, 22:56:10 »
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Nice to see The Condems burst into action getting its foreign nationals out of Lybia so quickly. wait a minute we haven't done it yet. The charter plane has a fault? WTF. Is that the ONLY plane available to Britain in an emergency. RAF? Ryanair? Alan Sugars jet?

We should have acted quicker like our European neighbours did. Even Turkey managed to get its nationals out and they used a ship (not the fastest of transport) .
The only excuse is that maybe they are planning a simultaneous assault with military planes to rescue all the Europeans stuck in desert camps while the charter plane lands in Tripoli.

I am glad I am not stuck there.

both airplanes and ships are used.. but as the distance is short (relatively) and 27000  :o Turkish citizen needs to be evacuated ships must be used (also for safety reasons commandos included in those ships) and battleships were send also  :-? :-?

what ? are we going to war ? ;D

Well cem it was an impressive effort particularly for the numbers involved. Well done Turkey.

The problem in Britain was we couldn't get an aeroplane to actually send it to rescue our nationals. Then when one was found it was hours before it took 0ff.  :( :(
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« Reply #112 on: 23 February 2011, 22:59:49 »
And the F.O. lied and sais it had taken off, almost 24 hours before it actually did.
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« Reply #113 on: 23 February 2011, 23:00:39 »
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Nice to see The Condems burst into action getting its foreign nationals out of Lybia so quickly. wait a minute we haven't done it yet. The charter plane has a fault? WTF. Is that the ONLY plane available to Britain in an emergency. RAF? Ryanair? Alan Sugars jet?

We should have acted quicker like our European neighbours did. Even Turkey managed to get its nationals out and they used a ship (not the fastest of transport) .
The only excuse is that maybe they are planning a simultaneous assault with military planes to rescue all the Europeans stuck in desert camps while the charter plane lands in Tripoli.

I am glad I am not stuck there.

both airplanes and ships are used.. but as the distance is short (relatively) and 27000  :o Turkish citizen needs to be evacuated ships must be used (also for safety reasons commandos included in those ships) and battleships were send also  :-? :-?

what ? are we going to war ? ;D

Well cem it was an impressive effort particularly for the numbers involved. Well done Turkey.

The problem in Britain was we couldn't get an aeroplane to actually send it to rescue our nationals. Then when one was found it was hours before it took 0ff.  :( :(

we are late also , it was obvious for many days and still there are many people waiting :-/
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« Reply #114 on: 23 February 2011, 23:03:54 »
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Not many years ago the RAF had a "fleet" of aircraft .. called Transport Command .... VC10's, Tristars, Hercules ( in years before we had Comets, Brittanias, Argosys) these were used for the movement of troops atound the world, and the evacuation of civilians when required. My first "war" was the evacuation of Cyprus after the Turks invaded it in the 70's

This no longer applies... the labour government prevented the replacement of the fleet as it got older and worn out ... the Hercules was built in the 1960's, as was the VC10 ...  a few are still flying in the RAF but are not suitable for the evacuation role.

Troop movement is, mostly, done by "civilian charter" .. which is what has be arranged for the Lbyian evacuation ... however this has severe problems:

The crews have to agree to go to a danger zone as they are civilians.
The aircraft has to be chartered with the specifics of a danger zone.
Insurance has to be arranged and paid for.
The aircraft operates under civilian rules, so requires diplomatic clearance from Libya before it can depart.

All these things take time....unlike the 70's when a crew was simply ordered to go at 2 hours notice, because they, and an aircraft, were permanently on 2 hour readiness.

You can't run a taxi firm without any cars .... :(

there was no need for evacuation we  had no problem with Brits :y
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« Reply #115 on: 23 February 2011, 23:32:49 »
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« Reply #116 on: 23 February 2011, 23:39:23 »
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All this talk of Libya has reminded me of a very proud moment or two in our recent national history. ::) >:(  >:(
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1284132/Tony-Blair-special-adviser-dictator-Gaddafis-son.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1211528/Brown-didnt-press-Gaddafi-IRA-compensation-fears-upset-Libya.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1359910/Libyas-Gaddafi-DID-personally-order-Lockerbie-bombing-claims-Justice-minister.html

Diplomacy and politics :-/

as far as I understand , many countries had firms/workers in Libya..for example our construction firms build many things , including military areas,buldings.. also for oil.. and yours..

capitalist world , who pays the money is saluted ;D ::) :y
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« Reply #117 on: 23 February 2011, 23:41:24 »
These men are (supposedly) socialists Cem. ;)
Captialism doesnt always have to be crooked, corrupt and unprincipled. ;)
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« Reply #118 on: 23 February 2011, 23:46:19 »
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These men are (supposedly) socialists Cem. ;)
Captialism doesnt always have to be crooked, corrupt and unprincipled. ;)

peh.. they need to be industrialized first,create a social working class then claim to be socialist.. religious rules everywhere and socialism.. what a mixture :P :P
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« Reply #119 on: 24 February 2011, 13:14:15 »
all these peoples mobiles and money robbed!!

those protestors want to take the tyrant down or they want different things.. I hope Qaddafi smash their heads >:( >:( >:( >:(

http://www18.gazetevatan.com/fotogaleri/resim.asp?kat=18229&page_number=1


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