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[cem_devecioglu]

imo Kaddafi/Gaddafi whatever lost the track long time ago.. his life style , behaviours prooved he deserved to be in a mad clinic and I wonder why those people wait all that time :-?

But from your (Turkish, Islamic) point of view Cem, what would you think if the UN / USA send in their battle units, hovering in the form of the Fifth and Sixth Fleets, and restore peace or at least take control of the situation? :-? :-? :-?   

I believe personally that point has now arrived, and the UN are now poised to take action.    The Libyan UN delegation have indeed requested it!

those tribes are unmanagable! because for long time they wont know what they want on a changing politic climate.. except money..  if I was any leader I would wait till they kill each other  and dont send any military power there.. when the dust settles , invade

Thanks Cem!

...............and I would add Cem the USA Air Force bases in Turkey would be involved no doubt!!   What do you think of that? :-? :-?

Didn't Turkey say no to the Yanks invading Northern Iraq via Turkey?

yes Varche.. the parliament refused..

those air bases were given some 60 years ago.. although their flights are arranged according to parliament permissions,  we cant control their flight destination everytime..   but this doesnt mean those permissions can be abused always..

[PxMetro]

imo Kaddafi/Gaddafi whatever lost the track long time ago.. his life style , behaviours prooved he deserved to be in a mad clinic and I wonder why those people wait all that time :-?

But from your (Turkish, Islamic) point of view Cem, what would you think if the UN / USA send in their battle units, hovering in the form of the Fifth and Sixth Fleets, and restore peace or at least take control of the situation? :-? :-? :-?   

I believe personally that point has now arrived, and the UN are now poised to take action.    The Libyan UN delegation have indeed requested it!

those tribes are unmanagable! because for long time they wont know what they want on a changing politic climate.. except money..  if I was any leader I would wait till they kill each other  and dont send any military power there.. when the dust settles , invade

Thanks Cem!

...............and I would add Cem the USA Air Force bases in Turkey would be involved no doubt!!   What do you think of that? :-? :-?

I just hope the Americans can keep their hair trigger fingers holstered. Other wise I can see things degenerating at an alarming rate.

[cem_devecioglu]

imo Kaddafi/Gaddafi whatever lost the track long time ago.. his life style , behaviours prooved he deserved to be in a mad clinic and I wonder why those people wait all that time :-?

But from your (Turkish, Islamic) point of view Cem, what would you think if the UN / USA send in their battle units, hovering in the form of the Fifth and Sixth Fleets, and restore peace or at least take control of the situation? :-? :-? :-?   

I believe personally that point has now arrived, and the UN are now poised to take action.    The Libyan UN delegation have indeed requested it!

those tribes are unmanagable! because for long time they wont know what they want on a changing politic climate.. except money..  if I was any leader I would wait till they kill each other  and dont send any military power there.. when the dust settles , invade

Thanks Cem!

...............and I would add Cem the USA Air Force bases in Turkey would be involved no doubt!!   What do you think of that? :-? :-?

Didn't Turkey say no to the Yanks invading Northern Iraq via Turkey?

yes Varche.. the parliament refused..

those air bases were given some 60 years ago.. although their flights are arranged according to parliament permissions,  we cant control their flight destination everytime..   but this doesnt mean those permissions can be abused always..

what was funny at that time was they offer us 8 billion us$ 

my country spends this money in 2 days

[albitz]

Obama is a long way from being a hawk. I dont think the yanks will be going in anytime soon - unless there is large scale massacre or similar.

[cem_devecioglu]

honestly US  have many airbases around , including europe so they will always find shorter paths..

[cem_devecioglu]

Obama is a long way from being a hawk. I dont think the yanks will be going in anytime soon - unless there is large scale massacre or similar.

Albs , US presidents have some advisors

[albitz]

Dont think Rumsfeld has the presidents ear these days though Cem.

[cem_devecioglu]

Dont think Rumsfeld has the presidents ear these days though Cem.

some may not accept , but as I said before presidents and their advisors are actually nothing more than show burocrats.. the real governors are always behind the scenes.. and they are never elected.. they always stay there.. there are few exceptional countries that doesnt follow this rule

[Lizzie_Zoom]

honestly US  have many airbases around , including europe so they will always find shorter paths..

Indeed Cem, I remember Maggie Thatcher in 1986 giving the go-ahead for USAF fighters (F111 or F14's ?) to fly from UK bases, Fairford being one, to carryout the air strike on Tripili.

In addition B52's flew from Fairford during the First Gulf War in 1990 to carryout bombing missions.  I lived near Bristol at the time and used to watch them flying over, back to Fairford, in the early hours.  A fantastic sight!! 8-) 8-) 8-)

So yes Cem, US and UK jets can come from anywhere (well in the case of the UK not from fleet carriers!! )

[cem_devecioglu]

honestly US  have many airbases around , including europe so they will always find shorter paths..

Indeed Cem, I remember Maggie Thatcher in 1986 giving the go-ahead for USAF fighters (F111 or F14's ?) to fly from UK bases, Fairford being one, to carryout the air strike on Tripili.

In addition B52's flew from Fairford during the First Gulf War in 1990 to carryout bombing missions.  I lived near Bristol at the time and used to watch them flying over, back to Fairford, in the early hours.  A fantastic sight!! 8-) 8-) 8-)

So yes Cem, US and UK jets can come from anywhere (well in the case of the UK not from fleet carriers!! )

if I'm not wrong I remember you had one :-?

[Lizzie_Zoom]

honestly US  have many airbases around , including europe so they will always find shorter paths..

Indeed Cem, I remember Maggie Thatcher in 1986 giving the go-ahead for USAF fighters (F111 or F14's ?) to fly from UK bases, Fairford being one, to carryout the air strike on Tripili.

In addition B52's flew from Fairford during the First Gulf War in 1990 to carryout bombing missions.  I lived near Bristol at the time and used to watch them flying over, back to Fairford, in the early hours.  A fantastic sight!! 8-) 8-) 8-)

So yes Cem, US and UK jets can come from anywhere (well in the case of the UK not from fleet carriers!! )

if I'm not wrong I remember you had one :-?

Nope Cem, all been paid off now along with the Harrier fighters that were the only fixed wing aircraft able to fly from them!

We have now to wait for our two very large carriers to be built, and then have to wait again for the fixed wing aircraft to fly from them once we have saved enough pennies!!

If it wasn't so damned serious it would be the funniest joke in the world!    Mind you to others it must be already!!

[Dishevelled Den]

 

I believe personally that point has now arrived, and the UN are now poised to take action.    

I would be concerned Lizzie that would be the first step on that road to the dire consequences I spoke of earlier.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

 

I believe personally that point has now arrived, and the UN are now poised to take action.    

I would be concerned Lizzie that would be the first step on that road to the dire consequences I spoke of earlier.

You may well be right Zulu, but leading Libyan UN delegates, ambassadors included, are now pleading for outside intervention to stop the "massacre" of their civilians.   


I just do not see how we. the Western democratic powers, and the fellow African states can stand by and do nothing

A dreadful situation indeed!!

[Dishevelled Den]

 

I believe personally that point has now arrived, and the UN are now poised to take action.    

I would be concerned Lizzie that would be the first step on that road to the dire consequences I spoke of earlier.

You may well be right Zulu, but leading Libyan UN delegates, ambassadors included, are now pleading for outside intervention to stop the "massacre" of their civilians.   


I just do not see how we. the Western democratic powers, and the fellow African states can stand by and do nothing

A dreadful situation indeed!!

It is indeed going to pose both a moral and practical problem without doubt.

This is yet another situation that should illustrate how important history is (and the thorough understanding of it) when attempting to deal with present day problems.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

 

I believe personally that point has now arrived, and the UN are now poised to take action.    

I would be concerned Lizzie that would be the first step on that road to the dire consequences I spoke of earlier.

You may well be right Zulu, but leading Libyan UN delegates, ambassadors included, are now pleading for outside intervention to stop the "massacre" of their civilians.   


I just do not see how we. the Western democratic powers, and the fellow African states can stand by and do nothing

A dreadful situation indeed!!

It is indeed going to pose both a moral and practical problem without doubt.

This is yet another situation that should illustrate how important history is (and the thorough understanding of it) when attempting to deal with present day problems.

How right you are Zulu!!

History is littered with ifs, maybes, could haves, and we should have dones!!

If the British Government had not got involved when Germany invaded Belgium and France in 1914, we could have avoided the escalation of the first World War.

If the Versailles Treaty had not have been so ill conceived and biased against Germany we could have avoided WW2.

If Chamberlain had not stood by as Hitler went on his initial hunt into the Sudetenland, then the acquisition of the remainder of Czechoslovakia, we could have stopped the Nazis in their tracks!

If the UN forces has pursued the Iraqi army from Kuwait back to Bagdad and captued Saddam we could have avoided the future Iraqi conflict.

If the UN intervene in Libya now we could set that country onto the road of democracy, save lives, or maybe start the next major conflict!

Very difficult times and decisions to be made!  What is right, what is wrong, and calling the right shot at the right time is a fine art in international diplomacy