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[Lizzie_Zoom]

The UN will probably have discussions on the subject - for several years. I very much doubt they will take action, they are worse than useless imo.

But the USA and UK will!

[Vamps]

The UN will probably have discussions on the subject - for several years. I very much doubt they will take action, they are worse than useless imo.

But the USA and UK will!

With what? I understand that we will have precious few planes soon, I a not into politics but it may be a good time to put a hold on the slimming down of our armed forces.... :-/ :-/

[Lizzie_Zoom]

The UN will probably have discussions on the subject - for several years. I very much doubt they will take action, they are worse than useless imo.

But the USA and UK will!

With what? I understand that we will have precious few planes soon, I a not into politics but it may be a good time to put a hold on the slimming down of our armed forces.... :-/ :-/

Sounds like other Arabian and African states may step in with their forces.  Egypt of course has a very large army next door that is now 'free' to act with UN and Libyan blessing

[albitz]

The UN will probably have discussions on the subject - for several years. I very much doubt they will take action, they are worse than useless imo.

But the USA and UK will!

I seriously doubt it. I think both countries (and their current leaderships) are tired of fighting wars a long way from home, which inevtibaly turn out to drag on for many years.
The Afghan campaign is close to being longer  than both world wars put together.

[cem_devecioglu]

dont know why but my senses tell me that all these parallel uprising is caused by a push button..

[Entwood]

Interesting thoughts ...  several folks in this thread instantly "condemn" dictatorships as "wrong" ... yet historically they would appear to have, sometimes, saved many lives ..

Libya - Gaddafi  : already mentioned .. 3 tribes who would kill each other if not stamped on ....

Yugoslavia - Tito : the end of Tito lead directly to the Balkan Wars and the genocide/"ethnic cleansing" that followed .. Tito was bad .. but at least he kept a lid on things ......

The many dictators in Africa : mostly "prevent" tribal wars, but when they go the fan gets covered ... Tribal wars/ "ethnic cleansing"  go ballastic.

The far east ... Burma, Cambodia, North Vietnam, China (?), Iran here it is religious fanatics that the dictators "control"  and not christian/other .. it is often "factions" within a religion ..

Now I'm NOT saying dictatorship is good ...I certainly don't want to be part of one .... it just seems that sometimes the "cure" may be worse than the "illness".

Just a thought .. nowt else ..

[tigers_gonads]

us/uk

i don't think we have the manpower to do that at the moment  :-/

if anybody goes in, it should be the arabs themselfs 

the trouble is, Libya's neighbours are all kicking off too 
if the yanks go in, it will just give a helping hand to those friends of bin laden and his chums

[cem_devecioglu]

Interesting thoughts ...  several folks in this thread instantly "condemn" dictatorships as "wrong" ... yet historically they would appear to have, sometimes, saved many lives ..

Libya - Gaddafi  : already mentioned .. 3 tribes who would kill each other if not stamped on ....

Yugoslavia - Tito : the end of Tito lead directly to the Balkan Wars and the genocide/"ethnic cleansing" that followed .. Tito was bad .. but at least he kept a lid on things ......

The many dictators in Africa : mostly "prevent" tribal wars, but when they go the fan gets covered ... Tribal wars/ "ethnic cleansing"  go ballastic.

The far east ... Burma, Cambodia, North Vietnam, China (?), Iran here it is religious fanatics that the dictators "control"  and not christian/other .. it is often "factions" within a religion ..

Now I'm NOT saying dictatorship is good ...I certainly don't want to be part of one .... it just seems that sometimes the "cure" may be worse than the "illness".

Just a thought .. nowt else ..

yep.. because they were originally not nations including the Arabs.. all bunch of tribes.. and still..

[Lizzie_Zoom]

The UN will probably have discussions on the subject - for several years. I very much doubt they will take action, they are worse than useless imo.

But the USA and UK will!

I seriously doubt it. I think both countries (and their current leaderships) are tired of fighting wars a long way from home, which inevtibaly turn out to drag on for many years.
The Afghan campaign is close to being longer  than both world wars put together.

But the USA have already in place battle units in the form of the Sixth (Med) and Fifth (Gulf) Fleets, so the resources are already in place.

[cem_devecioglu]

Interesting thoughts ...  several folks in this thread instantly "condemn" dictatorships as "wrong" ... yet historically they would appear to have, sometimes, saved many lives ..

Libya - Gaddafi  : already mentioned .. 3 tribes who would kill each other if not stamped on ....

Yugoslavia - Tito : the end of Tito lead directly to the Balkan Wars and the genocide/"ethnic cleansing" that followed .. Tito was bad .. but at least he kept a lid on things ......

The many dictators in Africa : mostly "prevent" tribal wars, but when they go the fan gets covered ... Tribal wars/ "ethnic cleansing"  go ballastic.

The far east ... Burma, Cambodia, North Vietnam, China (?), Iran here it is religious fanatics that the dictators "control"  and not christian/other .. it is often "factions" within a religion ..

Now I'm NOT saying dictatorship is good ...I certainly don't want to be part of one .... it just seems that sometimes the "cure" may be worse than the "illness".

Just a thought .. nowt else ..

yep.. because they were originally not nations including the Arabs.. all bunch of tribes.. and still..

and I bet when the oil is finished they will go back to the original state

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Interesting thoughts ...  several folks in this thread instantly "condemn" dictatorships as "wrong" ... yet historically they would appear to have, sometimes, saved many lives ..

Libya - Gaddafi  : already mentioned .. 3 tribes who would kill each other if not stamped on ....

Yugoslavia - Tito : the end of Tito lead directly to the Balkan Wars and the genocide/"ethnic cleansing" that followed .. Tito was bad .. but at least he kept a lid on things ......

The many dictators in Africa : mostly "prevent" tribal wars, but when they go the fan gets covered ... Tribal wars/ "ethnic cleansing"  go ballastic.

The far east ... Burma, Cambodia, North Vietnam, China (?), Iran here it is religious fanatics that the dictators "control"  and not christian/other .. it is often "factions" within a religion ..

Now I'm NOT saying dictatorship is good ...I certainly don't want to be part of one .... it just seems that sometimes the "cure" may be worse than the "illness".

Just a thought .. nowt else ..

yep.. because they were originally not nations including the Arabs.. all bunch of tribes.. and still..

and I bet when the oil is finished they will go back to the original state

On that point Oil prices went through the roof today, with Brent Crude reaching $108 a barrel!

[cem_devecioglu]

imo Kaddafi/Gaddafi whatever lost the track long time ago.. his life style , behaviours prooved he deserved to be in a mad clinic and I wonder why those people wait all that time :-?

But from your (Turkish, Islamic) point of view Cem, what would you think if the UN / USA send in their battle units, hovering in the form of the Fifth and Sixth Fleets, and restore peace or at least take control of the situation? :-? :-? :-?   

I believe personally that point has now arrived, and the UN are now poised to take action.    The Libyan UN delegation have indeed requested it!

those tribes are unmanagable! because for long time they wont know what they want on a changing politic climate.. except money..  if I was any leader I would wait till they kill each other  and dont send any military power there.. when the dust settles , invade

[Lizzie_Zoom]

imo Kaddafi/Gaddafi whatever lost the track long time ago.. his life style , behaviours prooved he deserved to be in a mad clinic and I wonder why those people wait all that time :-?

But from your (Turkish, Islamic) point of view Cem, what would you think if the UN / USA send in their battle units, hovering in the form of the Fifth and Sixth Fleets, and restore peace or at least take control of the situation? :-? :-? :-?   

I believe personally that point has now arrived, and the UN are now poised to take action.    The Libyan UN delegation have indeed requested it!

those tribes are unmanagable! because for long time they wont know what they want on a changing politic climate.. except money..  if I was any leader I would wait till they kill each other  and dont send any military power there.. when the dust settles , invade

Thanks Cem!

...............and I would add Cem the USA Air Force bases in Turkey would be involved no doubt!!   What do you think of that? :-? :-?

[cem_devecioglu]

imo Kaddafi/Gaddafi whatever lost the track long time ago.. his life style , behaviours prooved he deserved to be in a mad clinic and I wonder why those people wait all that time :-?

But from your (Turkish, Islamic) point of view Cem, what would you think if the UN / USA send in their battle units, hovering in the form of the Fifth and Sixth Fleets, and restore peace or at least take control of the situation? :-? :-? :-?   

I believe personally that point has now arrived, and the UN are now poised to take action.    The Libyan UN delegation have indeed requested it!

those tribes are unmanagable! because for long time they wont know what they want on a changing politic climate.. except money..  if I was any leader I would wait till they kill each other  and dont send any military power there.. when the dust settles , invade

Thanks Cem!

...............and I would add Cem the USA Air Force bases in Turkey would be involved no doubt!!   What do you think of that? :-? :-?

I'm not in charge!.. but if I was I would show the door gently..

seriously, we have more serious problems nowadays than the the air bases.. :-/  this must be solved first.. elections are in front of the door.. and seems nothing will change

and for your information, our situation and the uprises are somehow related    

[Varche]

imo Kaddafi/Gaddafi whatever lost the track long time ago.. his life style , behaviours prooved he deserved to be in a mad clinic and I wonder why those people wait all that time :-?

But from your (Turkish, Islamic) point of view Cem, what would you think if the UN / USA send in their battle units, hovering in the form of the Fifth and Sixth Fleets, and restore peace or at least take control of the situation? :-? :-? :-?   

I believe personally that point has now arrived, and the UN are now poised to take action.    The Libyan UN delegation have indeed requested it!

those tribes are unmanagable! because for long time they wont know what they want on a changing politic climate.. except money..  if I was any leader I would wait till they kill each other  and dont send any military power there.. when the dust settles , invade

Thanks Cem!

...............and I would add Cem the USA Air Force bases in Turkey would be involved no doubt!!   What do you think of that? :-? :-?

Didn't Turkey say no to the Yanks invading Northern Iraq via Turkey?