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[Jimbob]

Ive a set of the Jurid's I got for £9 during the dealers clear out....really must fit them 

[Marks DTM Calib]

Brake feel and brake effectiveness are 2 very different things!

Fords (as per many front wheel drive cars) have a one shot servo where the assist is applied by a digital valve....press the pedal and you get max assist.

The Omega (as per many other large rear wheel drives) have a progressive servo with a more analogue setup....stamp on the brake and you will get full assist...press progressively and you get progressive braking.

You will stop an Omega in a VERY short distance, shorter than that of many cars (including jags as sadly I proved once!).

And the trade club pads are not nearly as bad as what Chris is saying, they are good quality and work very well. And that is from somebody who has fitted christ knows how many sets of differing pads to these cars including red stuff, green stuff, mintex etc.

My mum bus has pretty over assisted brakes and its easy enough to jump between the 2 cars.

[feeutfo]

Brake feel and brake effectiveness are 2 very different things!

Fords (as per many front wheel drive cars) have a one shot servo where the assist is applied by a digital valve....press the pedal and you get max assist.

The Omega (as per many other large rear wheel drives) have a progressive servo with a more analogue setup....stamp on the brake and you will get full assist...press progressively and you get progressive braking.

You will stop an Omega in a VERY short distance, shorter than that of many cars (including jags as sadly I proved once!).

And the trade club pads are not nearly as bad as what Chris is saying, they are good quality and work very well. And that is from somebody who has fitted christ knows how many sets of differing pads to these cars including red stuff, green stuff, mintex etc.

My mum bus has pretty over assisted brakes and its easy enough to jump between the 2 cars.

I still have the tc pads in the garage. Have said before, more than happy to do a back to back test.

Tc pads will stop the car, obviously. And i suspect if you stamp on the pedal with max effect you'll not notice much differance. However all the other 999 times you use the brakes in a normal fashion the differance is very clear.

And again, if you've never used oe pads, then you'll be non the wiser, but considering their price perhaps wouldn't blame you. Does seem ott.

Not often that i disagree with a Mark dtm on such things.

Your Mum bus is not a ford though.....? Not driven the s max myself, did you try it, out of interest?

[mathewst]

Well talking about brakes.
I remember when I gave my old A6 the first time to mi father. The car was an auto and he never driven an auto before. So the first time he needed to brake he did it with his left leg as firmly as he was pressing the clutch
Poor dad hit himself on the steering wheel (luckily not hard)
And as for omegas brakes. They are great, and give you a nice control over breking.
Stopping power is very good, if people have problems with it repplace the discs and pads with some well known manufacturer.
Brakes ARE NOT something you want to save money on

[Kevin Wood]

Call my cynical but I wonder if Ford brake servos are set up to give the "right feel" when the pads are down to the metal? 

Kevin

[feeutfo]

would save a few quid.

But certainly, once used to my mondeo, the brakes where excellent. Could really feel and squeeze you way into corners on the brakes.

Shame the car was shagged out by 80k.

[VXL V6]

Brake feel and brake effectiveness are 2 very different things!

Yes I agree, that's why I was selective in the words i used!

The brake pedal feel (which to me is the translation between what the pedal feel and the actual brake action is) is improved, the Jurid pads are obviously a different compound giving a more solid pedal feel.

As to wether the TC pads are as efficient I wouldn't like to say, yes they certainly do the job (and produce a lot more brake dust on the wheels at the same time) but I just feel that the slightly spongy pedal feel (Which wasn't down to age of the brake fluid or bleeding I might add) inspires less confidence in their abilities.

Ultimately it will always come down to cost and these pads are expensive compared to the TC versions. While the fronts are still available the rears are as rare as hens teeth now. We all know that rears are only about 25% of the argument but in my opinion (which is probably worth a big fat 0) on a rear wheel drive car they do play a more significant part than on a front wheel drive.

[feeutfo]

that reminds me, it was partly due to fitting oe on the rear that persuaded me to dump the new tc pads on the front in favour of oe all round.

Parts man supplied the tc front disc pad set. But being vented discs on the rear of my car they supplied oe to go with them.

So with tc pads and new discs on the front and oe pads and new disks on the rear i set off to enjoy my brand new brakes and the better performance i was expecting, considering my old pads and discs where totally cabbaged, they must be better right?

Only the rear showed a marked improvement, the rear seemed to squat, like pulling the hand brake when moving, and no great response from the front. So fitted oe on the front as well and bingo. Balanced braking front to back, if you see what i mean, better bite, well happy. Could feel the differance first press of the pedal reversing out of the drive. Didnt notice any bedding in needed either, although i did go steady on them for the first 200 miles.

Really do not understand the approach to tc pads on here, bar price of course which is understandable.

The thought also occurs, if the servo is designed to be progressive, why take away the pads which presumably where designed to work with it? Lets face it, given you get what you pay for in life, how can £14 a set pads match a £70 set for performance. (They are actually £100 retail iirc)

The Boy takes the view that oe wont last any longer than tc with his driving style on his personal test track iirc. Which is a very valid point, if oe over heat at the same rate tc do that would make it a very expensive game. But do they.....?

[Andy B]

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Didnt notice any bedding in needed either .....

You had new pads on virtually new discs 

[feeutfo]

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Didnt notice any bedding in needed either .....

You had new pads on virtually new discs 

True. Tc took a couple of stabs to work even after washing the discs down with brake cleaner. Thought i would use tc to wipe off the excess copper slip first just to make sure oe didnt squeal 

[Andy B]

...... Thought i would use tc to wipe off the excess copper slip first just to make sure oe didnt squeal 

That'd work!   

[KillerWatt]

Not really the point KW.

I think the point the OP was trying to make was that the perceived effectiveness of the Focus brakes are far superior to that of the MIG, and hence anyone used to the MIG might inadvertently cause an accident when using the same pressure applied to the footbrake.

My point was that if you take the controls of a vehicle you are unfamiliar with, then it is surely natural that you exercise a little bit of caution until such time that you are familiar with how the vehicle behaves?

[feeutfo]

....am i on a Bus or something?

[Lazydocker]

Perhaps it's because I fitted QH Pads all around at the last change, but I don't think there's anything wrong with the Omega Brakes

Must confess... I have always jumped from vehicle to vehicle, sometimes driving as many as 20 odd vehicles in a day, and have never had an issue. First opportunity, usually just after pulling away, a quick brake test and then you know what to expect

[hotel21]

Perhaps it's because I fitted QH Pads all around at the last change, but I don't think there's anything wrong with the Omega Brakes

Must confess... I have always jumped from vehicle to vehicle, sometimes driving as many as 20 odd vehicles in a day, and have never had an issue. First opportunity, usually just after pulling away, a quick brake test and then you know what to expect

yup........