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[cem_devecioglu]

ok.. I'll prefer a high hp big rwd car for empty roads and I can drive as I please..(thats possible only before 7 am and after 10 pm )

but inside a heavy traffic with bumper to bumper those horses are useless and you spend fuel with many cylinders just for waiting.. :-/

I've driven clit in many styles and its really a predictable car in curves with high speed (if the traffic permit) and highly controllable although its fwd..

and must admit even 110 hp is more than necessary in many situations .. :-/

nowadays I'm using omega for weekends when we are crowded (with family) or if I'm planning to go somewhere else with friends..

[unclelicklug]

All depends on how competent the driver is and if they are capable of 'heel and toeing', but then, lets be honest, the vast majority of us drive a car sensibly most of the time with consideration for what might be around that next bend.

Not really with you there, heel and toing counts if you want to blip the throttle when down changing under braking for a smoother and/or clutchless change...did you mean left foot braking?

[Steve 1564]

Having just bought a V70 -  have to say RWD wins hands down - possibly the only exception would be a "cheeky" mini - Heel & toe and looking for diesel spills on roundabouts  ....

On reflection most of the cars i owned in my youth were rwd and also on reflection thats the time i had the most convictions on my license !!!
"ahh... RS2000, Dolly sprint, toyota ST2000, fiat 131 (tc again) SD1's - wish i still had them now 

[VXL V6]

Was trying to say that if the driver is competent enough to heel and toe (agree with you on the mechanics of the action) they therefore understand the need to equalise the engine revs to the next lowest gear to avoid the rear swapping ends, then thats someone I class as capable of driving 'at the limit' through the bends.

Regardless of FWD or RWD I was always taught to brake into and accelerate out of a bend (never anywhere within the bend) so I don't really understand the statement that says that a RWD will brake when a FWD doesn't want you too.

Rule no 1 NEVER follow a small RWD car at the limit through bends, they brake when you don't want to, so you geet out of shape while I am laughing at the plonker getting out of shape.

If it looks like it has escaped from a rally leave a gap.

[Pipsqueak]

Was trying to say that if the driver is competent enough to heel and toe (agree with you on the mechanics of the action) they therefore understand the need to equalise the engine revs to the next lowest gear to avoid the rear swapping ends, then thats someone I class as capable of driving 'at the limit' through the bends.

Regardless of FWD or RWD I was always taught to brake into and accelerate out of a bend (never anywhere within the bend) so I don't really understand the statement that says that a RWD will brake when a FWD doesn't want you too.

Rule no 1 NEVER follow a small RWD car at the limit through bends, they brake when you don't want to, so you geet out of shape while I am laughing at the plonker getting out of shape.

If it looks like it has escaped from a rally leave a gap.

Cant remember which way round it is, but there are different ways to get the most out of RWD, FWD and 4WD

One you can take the power into the bend but then feather off, (probaly FWD to prevent understeer) RWD you brake before the bend and power out once you trust the grip.  4x4 (4WD) can be powered all the way round the bend as long as you are not travelling fast enogh to roll the car at any pont.

Sensible rules still apply to all the above, but is generally regarded that any braking is done before you enter the bend.

[Martin_1962]

Was trying to say that if the driver is competent enough to heel and toe (agree with you on the mechanics of the action) they therefore understand the need to equalise the engine revs to the next lowest gear to avoid the rear swapping ends, then thats someone I class as capable of driving 'at the limit' through the bends.

Regardless of FWD or RWD I was always taught to brake into and accelerate out of a bend (never anywhere within the bend) so I don't really understand the statement that says that a RWD will brake when a FWD doesn't want you too.

Rule no 1 NEVER follow a small RWD car at the limit through bends, they brake when you don't want to, so you geet out of shape while I am laughing at the plonker getting out of shape.

If it looks like it has escaped from a rally leave a gap.

Cant remember which way round it is, but there are different ways to get the most out of RWD, FWD and 4WD

One you can take the power into the bend but then feather off, (probaly FWD to prevent understeer) RWD you brake before the bend and power out once you trust the grip.  4x4 (4WD) can be powered all the way round the bend as long as you are not travelling fast enogh to roll the car at any pont.

Sensible rules still apply to all the above, but is generally regarded that any braking is done before you enter the bend.

That is the one , I'm braking earlier to get on the power earlier

[Martin_1962]

Was trying to say that if the driver is competent enough to heel and toe (agree with you on the mechanics of the action) they therefore understand the need to equalise the engine revs to the next lowest gear to avoid the rear swapping ends, then thats someone I class as capable of driving 'at the limit' through the bends.

Regardless of FWD or RWD I was always taught to brake into and accelerate out of a bend (never anywhere within the bend) so I don't really understand the statement that says that a RWD will brake when a FWD doesn't want you too.

Rule no 1 NEVER follow a small RWD car at the limit through bends, they brake when you don't want to, so you geet out of shape while I am laughing at the plonker getting out of shape.

If it looks like it has escaped from a rally leave a gap.

See th epost below

[albitz]

Unless your proper good - then you would be setting it up sideways  with the scandanavian flick just before you get to the bend and planting your right foot even deeper and winding off the opposite lock as the bend starts to straighten out.

[Steve 1564]

Tarmac & on the limit there's little difference, get all your brakeing & gear selection done before you enter the bend & power out (correcting any under (fwd) or oversteer (rwd) on the way out) but you know that - gravel ect is a different story... Set it up sideways (Blomquist stylie!) and just power through - the flip scrubbs off some speed & points you to the apex (and looks dead cool!) - personally its easier in rwd (just use power) fwd needs a blip on the H/brake (or left foot) but kills the momentum but the front wheels willl drag it into the apex under power where rwd will increase the oversteer - 6 & 1/2 doz.... but hey its all good - Maybe i should look for a SWB quattro  8-)    Anyone here do any competitive driving ? (grass track, saloons hill climb ect ?)

[2woody]

someone almost got it right a bit back....

just look at it from a manufacturer's point of view :-

FWD is -
cheap to make
takes up less space
gives "safe" understeering handling for most drivers.

the downsides are -
handling is nowhere near as good
handling in extremis can be very bad (lift-off oversteer)
comfort is much worse

it all comes down to the use of tyres. Thyres hava a certain "available grip". You can choose to use this available grip to provide braking, traction an cornering forces.

on a FWD, in most cornering, you're expecting the front tyres to do the driving, braking and cornering, so it chould come as no surprise that they don't cope as well as they do when you re-locate the driving to the rear.

the only car that was available with either front wheel drive or rear wheel drive was I believe the Renault 21. And yes, the RWD variants were the sporty ones whilst the FWD ones were the "others"

[henryd]

Unless your proper good - then you would be setting it up sideways  with the scandanavian flick just before you get to the bend and planting your right foot even deeper and winding off the opposite lock as the bend starts to straighten out.

if mr plod was coming the opposite way he would love that