lpga's new rip-off

[sassanach]

for all those with lpg stand by for more expense!!


The new online UKLPG database replaces the LPGA paper certificate scheme from approved installers.

For anyone wanting to check their car,see
http://www.drivelpg.co.uk/

Many insurance companies have 'bought into' the new scheme, and will expect to see "modified" cars on the register. More insurance companies can be expected to join it in future.

If you've got an old green LPGA certificate, us installers should have forwarded a copy for input (eventually). Some will get missed - lost or installer no longer trading perhaps - but there are instructions for sending a copy in yourself.

lifted from the lpg forum,basically if your not on the register then your insurance company will tell you to "foxtrot oscar"

[Vamps]

Does this mean an end to DIY installations...

[sassanach]

not at all, it means that it must be tested by a "approved" lpg installer. and also if your installation was previously approved and the installer has gone bust,then it will have to be done again.

ps your exsisting certificates are now worthless!!

[zirax]

Does this mean an end to DIY installations...

In theory no. You will need to have the car checked out by a installer, and then they can add it to the db. However since only they can add it to the db, it gives them more of an opportunity to be sods about it.

Thanks for putting the link up, I had better get around to changing mine. What a faff.

[Kevin Wood]

lifted from the lpg forum,basically if your not on the register then your insurance company will tell you to "foxtrot oscar"

.. assuming they want to lose my business, of course.

Kevin

[Martin_1962]

I have a certificate from a chap who checked mine 4 years ago - looks like I just post it off

[sassanach]

is tjat a "green"lpga certificate or a insurance approved certificate

[feeutfo]

I imagine most of us will be concerned with the safety certificate approved installers issue to diy installers?

Afaik only Entwood has a green LPGA approved install cert (professional LPGA install )

[Vamps]

I imagine most of us will be concerned with the safety certificate approved installers issue to diy installers?

Afaik only Entwood has a green LPGA approved install cert (professional LPGA install )

Philrich is Certified.....

[feeutfo]

I imagine most of us will be concerned with the safety certificate approved installers issue to diy installers?

Afaik only Entwood has a green LPGA approved install cert (professional LPGA install )

Philrich is Certified.....

Yes he gets a cert all his own 

[Kevin Wood]

Much as the LPGA would love the "lock-in" this will achieve for its' members I can't see it working.

It all hinges on the insurance business going lock stock over to using its' database.

Why would they do this? What real risks does the average DIY install cause to an insurer? Let's consider the worst possible install you could imagine (from some of the less scrupulous LPGA approved installers, for example  [smiley=evil.gif]). The worst thing that's going to happen is poor running and / or a gas leak.

Granted a large gas leak into the interior of a car will not be nice, and could be dangerous. Otherwise, 99.9% of the time there'll be a nasty smell and not much else.

Bad LPG installs are simply not the bombs the LPGA make out they are so I'm sure the insurance industry will consider the LPGA's proposal, look at the stats to see what percentage of claims are down to LPG issues, and conclude that it's not worth turning away every LPG converted car that doesn't have an entry in the database, especially if there are problems with the LPGA's own approved conversions not automatically ending up on the database!

Even if some insurers do toe the LPGA line, it will open up a niche for those who don't.

Even if it does achieve blanket cover of the whole insurance industry it's not the end of the world. Bend over, pay the money and get your car inspected, jumping through whatever hoops are put before you.

Kevin

[feeutfo]

Tbh, I don't see the harm in getting installs checked per say, personally I wanted another experienced eye to go over it, however I did object to the fee of £100 when an an mot is £35 with a free retest.

...and I certainly will not be paying that fee again just because the LPGA have moved the goal posts.

LPGA have been whispering foul in the insurance industries ear for years, which on the one hand I can understand if diy'ers are driving round with a nightmare under the bonnet, but on the other hand I smell a rat cementing an income for itself,  and guess who pays..... again   

[feeutfo]

Btw, how do they intend to inform those that have dual fuel of this...? Wait until you claim and say sorry your not insured because you did not register? My car is certified, in more ways than one, and my insurer has a copy of the cert and the dvla are aware it dual fuel. So who will I expect a letter from...?   :-/

[sassanach]

my concern is that having seen many "professional"lpg installations that quite frankly are crap, these same
"professional people"are now going to be judge jury and executioner on diy installs which are usually very good,due in part that considerably more time is spent on them

[feeutfo]

my concern is that having seen many "professional"lpg installations that quite frankly are crap, these same
"professional people"are now going to be judge jury and executioner on diy installs which are usually very good,due in part that considerably more time is spent on them

There will always be muppets, no matter where you look. But yes, ironic.