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[feeutfo]

Ls 1,2,3 or 6 proving difficult to find, ls7 is too can based I gather, been looking at Holden or written off yank motors mostly, very expensive from a breaker when they do come up, but gm also do jeep grand cheroke and Chrysler 300c with v8's in..... :-/

....might have a little project, might.... .


But need a v8 to get rolling, what's best source for a cheep v8 lump kicking out decent horses, needs to be GM based, and as usual everything MUST work, tc abs drive by wire or whatever, can't stand stuff that don't work proper... Add ESP perhaps? With an off button of course   

[vauxfan2k]

I know of a small block chevy 5.7i v8 up here that might be up for grabs, came from my old blazer (1990) sold the whole machine to a guy but he has never used the engine, not sure if he would remove it himself tho. and I gather its a fair trek up here from your place..

if you want me to enquire I will tho. 

[feeutfo]

I know of a small block chevy 5.7i v8 up here that might be up for grabs, came from my old blazer (1990) sold the whole machine to a guy but he has never used the engine, not sure if he would remove it himself tho. and I gather its a fair trek up here from your place..

if you want me to enquire I will tho. 

Apparently yes, it's a fair way 

What sort of power?...out of interest?

[mrgreen]

goes without saying they're hard to find if they were easy to find we would see many a v8 on the roads!! if you're looking into that kinda peoject then maybe crate motor's form the states is agood bet although you only get he motor and not the 150 other bits you need to build!!

[Diamond Black Geezer]

Try looking for Lincolnshire-based club for yank cars. There seems to be a fair following for them here, despite the fact that there are only 72 people that live in Lincolnshire 

[venom]

My mate has some Cadillac Northstar V8's for sale and they can be blown  , not by him but the guy that does our supercharger for the dragster can sort that out.

[Kevin Wood]

ls7 is too can based

The engine is just a lump of metal. 

Engine management is another matter, of course, but you can fit different management systems to that lump of metal if need be.

If it were me, I would fit an ABS system from a 4 pot so it's not expecting to talk to the engine ECU at all and lose the TC. The Omega TC is only designed to stop stupid people crashing, IMHO. It adds nothing to the driving experience so why seriously limit your plans just to keep it working?

Ditto drive by wire. If the engine+management of choice happens to have it then fine. If not, put a throttle cable in. DBW adds nothing to the driving experience, it just removes the throttle cable.

ESP... Very rarely fitted to an Omega and, again, needs integration between engine and ABS ECUs and the addition of a yaw sensor, which I've never found fitted to an Omega.

The problem with all of these systems is that they have been configured during development for the combination of chassis, engine, transmission and braking system on the vehicle. The tools to do that are probably only available to Bosch and their partners in the development labs of major car manufacturers. Even if you manage the unenviable task of getting them to talk to each other in a modified vehicle, who's to say they'll work acceptably given that the vehicle has undergone fairly major changes?

Keep it simple, I say. Bin the gadgets and give yourself an easy life.

Kevin

[aaronjb]

Keep it simple, I say. Bin the gadgets and give yourself an easy life.

Pretty much a golden mantra when it comes to building modified or kit cars

It's also the reason that, having had a passenger ride in a 911 Carrera S (997.5) at the weekend around Anglesey circuit, I've come to the conclusion that whatever I build will never be as capable and refined all-round on and off track car  I forsee large expense in my future!

And now, back to your regularly scheduled discussion of V8s..

[2woody]

on the subject of toys....

ABS possible with whichever solution
cruise control possible using standard early-Omega parts.
DBW - no point in fitting.
Traction control - easiest to do using after-market equipment, for OE stuff, you'd need to transplant an engine and ABS system from a car, which would probably lose the speedo drive.
ESP - don't bother. Although it's a good system, it must be properly set up by Bosch to suit a particular vehicluar combination. Not possible to transplant to something else IMO.

regarding V8's

Chevy - from Gen III onwards, any will do. Probably the cheapest will be an iron-block truck engine direct from the 'states. ( you have the book - pick a spec and ebay it )

prior to Gen III, then a special build possibly on a carburettor would be the easiest and cheapest. could maybe have 400BHP for less than £1000.

Northstar is very wide and not easily adaptable to in-line configuration, at least not for the early ones. It's a lovely engine and I have installed one before, but it's very not easy.

Chrysler. Some of the later ones are very good, but not sure about manual transmission.

Ford. possible, and some good engines out there, but it's a Ford !

[feeutfo]

removing stock features is never a good idea imo, fitting a v8 with a third more power is an improvement imo, removing abs and tc needed order to conrtrole it cant be a good idea, esp not to a possible buyer. Yes the omega abs and tc are basic perhaps, but as with the brakes the whole deal needs to progress as a package, possibly suspension as well...

....and i dont believe for one momment that we are all such great drivers that we havent been cought out on the odd frosty morning...weather the driver aids would have helped or not, imo its madness to remove something that has certainly saved my bacon before now....

[aaronjb]

Traction control - easiest to do using after-market equipment, for OE stuff, you'd need to transplant an engine and ABS system from a car, which would probably lose the speedo drive.

Yeah - the Racelogic stuff is very good IMHO, was a good addition to my first 300ZX

[feeutfo]

on the subject of toys....

ABS possible with whichever solution
cruise control possible using standard early-Omega parts.
DBW - no point in fitting.
Traction control - easiest to do using after-market equipment, for OE stuff, you'd need to transplant an engine and ABS system from a car, which would probably lose the speedo drive.
ESP - don't bother. Although it's a good system, it must be properly set up by Bosch to suit a particular vehicluar combination. Not possible to transplant to something else IMO.

regarding V8's

Chevy - from Gen III onwards, any will do. Probably the cheapest will be an iron-block truck engine direct from the 'states. ( you have the book - pick a spec and ebay it )

prior to Gen III, then a special build possibly on a carburettor would be the easiest and cheapest. could maybe have 400BHP for less than £1000.

Northstar is very wide and not easily adaptable to in-line configuration, at least not for the early ones. It's a lovely engine and I have installed one before, but it's very not easy.

Chrysler. Some of the later ones are very good, but not sure about manual transmission.

Ford. possible, and some good engines out there, but it's a Ford !

the books have been broused, briefly  time to scratch me arse would be good, and yes ok esp might be a bit imaginative. 

[Kevin Wood]

removing stock features is never a good idea imo, fitting a v8 with a third more power is an improvement imo, removing abs and tc needed order to conrtrole it cant be a good idea, esp not to a possible buyer. Yes the omega abs and tc are basic perhaps, but as with the brakes the whole deal needs to progress as a package, possibly suspension as well...

....and i dont believe for one momment that we are all such great drivers that we havent been cought out on the odd frosty morning...weather the driver aids would have helped or not, imo its madness to remove something that has certainly saved my bacon before now....

Point taken on the frosty morning.

Very much doubt it would have made any difference if I'd had a crap Omega TC system fitted though.

I can't remember the last time my TC kicked in noticeably. I'm normally off the power by the time it's done anything. When it does intervene and you keep it planted it simply cuts the power, then applies it all again, then cuts it all. Repeat until ditch located. Worst possible scenario if you're trying to control the car in a buttock-clenching scenario, IMHO.

I have also had the Omega quite sideways under power without a murmur from the TC. If all the wheels happen to be still turning at the right speed it's none the wiser. I'd expect this to become the norm if you add an LSD.

I really don't regard the Omega TC setup as being worth bothering with. It simply stops play at the slightest hint of a wheel slipping, then it all comes back in with a bang if you haven't backed off.

Now, a decent aftermarket solution that would intervene more subtly and actually help you use the traction available more effectively is another matter.

ABS - you're pushing an open door. It's perfectly feasible to keep it and it will probably perform OK if any brake upgrades are done sensibly.

V8 power will make for a car that needs respect in most circumstances (will you choose to drive it on frosty mornings at all?) and I don't think the factory TC bodged to control a V8 is a crutch that will help, TBH. :-/

Kevin

[aaronjb]

I'm glad it's not just me that thinks the Omega TC is about as useful as a chocolate teapot! I thought there was something wrong with mine, at first, and that it wasn't working properly..

[2woody]

no, the standard tc is utterly useless.

as it happens, my Holden has a Racelogic TC retrofitted ( not by me ) and it's actually very good.

but I believe it's expensive, tho.