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[tunnie]

but what's left ?

Thats the problem, what other big RWD comfy, easy to maintain alternatives are out there? 

Lots of newer examples won't be nearly so easy for DIY home fixing....

For me its:

Audi A8 V8 Diesel, Bose, very very well built and great feel, love centre dash layout. Down side only autos...

BMW 530d, downside is well, its a BMW 5 series! Image, well not really fussed about that, heck i drive a Vauxhall, do we care of what image? Ride in the Sport models gets very bad reviews. I don't like SE spec steering wheel and trim.

Jag XJ, what with the new shape, the previous shape will become very cheap!

VW Phantom, trouble is with VW is the lack "it" - They lack soul!

Mercs - Sorry don't like E-Class in anyway shape or form. Build is shite too...

Ideal world I would love a Monaro or VXR8, but fuel costs is a big concern 

Suspect (when funds allow) - It will be a Monaro for fun, FWD diesel box for work (if I have a commute)

[tonyyeb]

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thinking of going older - maybe Mark II Jag, or  ....

A MK II is quite primitive as far as suspension etc is concerned. Best car of that kind of era IMO is a MK X/420G 

There are a lot of re-engineering houses devoted to Jags, Andy - they'll retain the look and feel of the car, but subtly upate it to under the skin to make it feel and drive in a more modern way.
Beacham are the top-notch company for Mark II's - supply them with a an MoT'd project car, and for the thick end of £60K or so they'll transform it for you. Not highly economic, I'll grant you, but if you can find one that some other poor sod has taken the hit on, they can make sense as a daily driver.
Do agree with you about the 420G tho - I had one of those. Very fondly remembered....

[Martin_1962]

what to replace Omega with - that's a good question...

there's going to come a time when Omegas no longer look modern and finding a decent one will become impossible, but I am really struggling to come up with a viable alternative.

Mercedes - are all automatic as far as I can tell, well all the interesting ones anyway - and a bit too lardy

BMW - says something about you that I'd rather not have said about me.

I flat refuse to even consider anything front-wheel-drive

but what's left ?

You have the answer - you already have a Holden.

I was playing a game with a co worker who hates diesel and auto - however dodgy knee and petrol is pricy.

I did mention all the auto he had driven were little engines.

He still doesn't know which of his dark sides he would choose

[Martin_1962]

Monaro? Bit too thirsty for my pockets, but my sons would love it!

I like the shape of the latest 5 series and it has a nice stance but the dashboard looks vile imho.

I'm just hoping to run my Omega's for a few years yet......

Same here - looks like the Waxoyling I did 5 years ago is still there - wanted to reload it but can't find my big can.

[Martin_1962]

I think in a few years if they drop prices enough things like XFs will be popular

[feeutfo]

Early Vxr8 or Monaro might be cheap enough by the time my Omega needs replacing. No toys though, no remote closing windows and sunroof there, oh no.

Had a rare chance to compare the Omega to a Bentley at the Oxford meet. We do get a lot of car for not much money here on oof. Suspect there will have to be some compromises when the time comes.

Bangs for buck in rear wheel drive = omega, just does. ESP with LPG. 

[2woody]

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thinking of going older - maybe Mark II Jag, or  ....

A MK II is quite primitive as far as suspension etc is concerned. Best car of that kind of era IMO is a MK X/420G 

been down that road - used to have a green early Mk X auto. A mate of mine killed a Transit with it

[2woody]

BMW 530d, downside is well, its a BMW 5 series! Image, well not really fussed about that, heck i drive a Vauxhall, do we care of what image? Ride in the Sport models gets very bad reviews. I don't like SE spec steering wheel and trim.

Vauxhall Omegas have no image, but that's ok by me. BMW has a BMW image, which most definitely isn't ok by me.

Ideal world I would love a Monaro or VXR8, but fuel costs is a big concern 

My Holden is currently the most economical car I have. Driven in the same manner over the same journey, it will return about 6mpg more than my 2.6 MV6

[tunnie]

BMW 530d, downside is well, its a BMW 5 series! Image, well not really fussed about that, heck i drive a Vauxhall, do we care of what image? Ride in the Sport models gets very bad reviews. I don't like SE spec steering wheel and trim.

Vauxhall Omegas have no image, but that's ok by me. BMW has a BMW image, which most definitely isn't ok by me.

Ideal world I would love a Monaro or VXR8, but fuel costs is a big concern 

My Holden is currently the most economical car I have. Driven in the same manner over the same journey, it will return about 6mpg more than my 2.6 MV6

Monaro it is then  8-) 

[feeutfo]

BMW 530d, downside is well, its a BMW 5 series! Image, well not really fussed about that, heck i drive a Vauxhall, do we care of what image? Ride in the Sport models gets very bad reviews. I don't like SE spec steering wheel and trim.

Vauxhall Omegas have no image, but that's ok by me. BMW has a BMW image, which most definitely isn't ok by me.

Ideal world I would love a Monaro or VXR8, but fuel costs is a big concern 

My Holden is currently the most economical car I have. Driven in the same manner over the same journey, it will return about 6mpg more than my 2.6 MV6

Monaro it is then  8-) 

That cant be right can it! Not doubting for a minute, but the v6 is thirsty IMO, is it the engine management feeding a closed throttle to keep the over run smooth? Seen some live data that suggests as much, but how does that compare with other cars. :-/. (if so?)

[tunnie]

BMW 530d, downside is well, its a BMW 5 series! Image, well not really fussed about that, heck i drive a Vauxhall, do we care of what image? Ride in the Sport models gets very bad reviews. I don't like SE spec steering wheel and trim.

Vauxhall Omegas have no image, but that's ok by me. BMW has a BMW image, which most definitely isn't ok by me.

Ideal world I would love a Monaro or VXR8, but fuel costs is a big concern 

My Holden is currently the most economical car I have. Driven in the same manner over the same journey, it will return about 6mpg more than my 2.6 MV6

Monaro it is then  8-) 

That cant be right can it! Not doubting for a minute, but the v6 is thirsty IMO, is it the engine management feeding a closed throttle to keep the over run smooth? Seen some live data that suggests as much, but how does that compare with other cars. :-/. (if so?)

2woody must have the 5.7 in his at a guess?

Did quick google on official stats:

3.2 V6 24V MV6 4d Auto      23 mpg      284 g/km
3.0i V6 24V MV6 4d Auto      25 mpg      268 g/km

Manual gets a few more:

3.0i V6 24V MV6 4d      27 mpg      251 g/km

Monaro comes out as:

5.7 V8 VXR 2d      18 mpg      360 g/km
6.0 V8 VXR 2d      17 mpg      384 g/km


Source was parkers, our 3.0 Elite Estate gets around 27 ish over the course of a tank. So those figures look a little under real world.

[tunnie]

quite how the Co2 is less on the manual I don't know, its the same engine!  :-?

[henryd]

quite how the Co2 is less on the manual I don't know, its the same engine!  :-?

most auto's except the latest dsg jobbies emit higher emissions than the manual versions,I believe its because on the test thats used the auto's can't get into top gear

[Ken T]

I think in a few years if they drop prices enough things like XFs will be popular

Like Migs did a few years ago, started off around 27K, and we got them for 10%-20% of that 5 years later. And the XF starts at around £31K, so in 4 or 5 years we may be able to get them for around £3K-£4K. Time to start saving. 

Ken

[2woody]

BMW 530d, downside is well, its a BMW 5 series! Image, well not really fussed about that, heck i drive a Vauxhall, do we care of what image? Ride in the Sport models gets very bad reviews. I don't like SE spec steering wheel and trim.

Vauxhall Omegas have no image, but that's ok by me. BMW has a BMW image, which most definitely isn't ok by me.

Ideal world I would love a Monaro or VXR8, but fuel costs is a big concern 

My Holden is currently the most economical car I have. Driven in the same manner over the same journey, it will return about 6mpg more than my 2.6 MV6

Monaro it is then  8-) 

That cant be right can it! Not doubting for a minute, but the v6 is thirsty IMO, is it the engine management feeding a closed throttle to keep the over run smooth? Seen some live data that suggests as much, but how does that compare with other cars. :-/. (if so?)

2woody must have the 5.7 in his at a guess?

Did quick google on official stats:

3.2 V6 24V MV6 4d Auto      23 mpg      284 g/km
3.0i V6 24V MV6 4d Auto      25 mpg      268 g/km

Manual gets a few more:

3.0i V6 24V MV6 4d      27 mpg      251 g/km

Monaro comes out as:

5.7 V8 VXR 2d      18 mpg      360 g/km
6.0 V8 VXR 2d      17 mpg      384 g/km


Source was parkers, our 3.0 Elite Estate gets around 27 ish over the course of a tank. So those figures look a little under real world.

The "official" figures are taken during the EU-drive cycle used for the emissions test. So they're not really relevant to certainly my normal driving. Mind you, the EU is not relevant to anything as far as I can tell.

I am quite careful to compare fuel mileages over a long run. A typical week will see me driving 325 miles motorway on a Monday, with a return home on Thursday 275 miles motorway followed by 50 miles mountian passes. Some town work in between. That gives a good long run to compare.

Over that profile, I normally get....

2.6 manual - 26mpg
3.0 manual - 30mpg
3.0 auto - 27mpg
5.7 manual 31mpg