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[Dishevelled Den]

A splendid thread - very interesting indeed.

[feeutfo]

I would say so Cliffo. Looking forward to pics

[Corrado1441]

What year did the Elites start getting the self levelling air suspension fitted ?

Thanks

[feeutfo]

What year did the Elites start getting the self levelling air suspension fitted ?

Thanks

All Elites had it from the start afaik. And some plod cars.

[Zippy2012]

I am about to hopefully post some pics of the bladders installed
and as a new topic needs info I hope I am correct in adding this post to bring it forward

Please do because i need to do something asap with my estate thats quite liturally sat on its arse!! after S/L dampers burst & fitting irmscher springs & unable to find shortened shocks to fit them...(except Bilstein B8s @ £220 a pair!)
or if i can use S'L rear shocks with lowered suspension?
i want to fit airbags into rear springs to stiffen it a little & pump them up when ive got 200kg of work gear in the boot!
i want to keep car lowered for drifting & daily use..
But stop rear sinking to the bumpstops with my work tools & equipment but calnt find anything to suite my needs as like you i want to use exsisting S/L pump fitted to car....  Can i speak to you via phone?? txt me & i call at a convenent time my number is 07534 967604

[feeutfo]

I'd remove that number from public view and pm cliffo. Or search his posts from his profile re the air bags, the info is there.

Bilstein b4 will work fine with 30 mill drop. But they do sag further with extra load. They just will.

Sl shocks are good for self leveling, but the damping is fairly appalling as the air bladders dont seem to be able to transfer air in and out to keep the independant suspension feel at the rear. They cant react to bumps quick enough and make the chassis roll excesively for sport applications.
 I believe Cliffo has the solution with the air bags in springs idea, while using a sport shock of choice. Hopefully the air bags wont get pinched by the springs if deflated when car is unloaded and self levelling relay removed to give best handling with an empty car.

Then when loaded, plug the relay in to jack the back up.

Sl shocks cant do this, because the handling is crap, and the bladders chaif themselves to bits when deflated. They must be inflated to work correctly, or the suspension movement will destroy the deflated bladders.

Although the cheapest option will be to fit sl shocks with your lowered irmscher springs, and tweak the sl sensor arm to give the desired ride hight. They should take some lowering as sl are flitted to some plod cars that sit 15mill lower than stock. Would think another 15 mill would be ok, but thats a gamble you'll be taking if they bottom out. Sl shocks are about £180 a pair on trade club.

Hth

[Zippy2012]

I'd remove that number from public view and pm cliffo. Or search his posts from his profile re the air bags, the info is there.

Bilstein b4 will work fine with 30 mill drop. But they do sag further with extra load. They just will.

Sl shocks are good for self leveling, but the damping is fairly appalling as the air bladders dont seem to be able to transfer air in and out to keep the independant suspension feel at the rear. They cant react to bumps quick enough and make the chassis roll excesively for sport applications.
 I believe Cliffo has the solution with the air bags in springs idea, while using a sport shock of choice. Hopefully the air bags wont get pinched by the springs if deflated when car is unloaded and self levelling relay removed to give best handling with an empty car.

Then when loaded, plug the relay in to jack the back up.

Sl shocks cant do this, because the handling is crap, and the bladders chaif themselves to bits when deflated. They must be inflated to work correctly, or the suspension movement will destroy the deflated bladders.

Although the cheapest option will be to fit sl shocks with your lowered irmscher springs, and tweak the sl sensor arm to give the desired ride hight. They should take some lowering as sl are flitted to some plod cars that sit 15mill lower than stock. Would think another 15 mill would be ok, but thats a gamble you'll be taking if they bottom out. Sl shocks are about £180 a pair on trade club.

Hth

Hi unsure how to delete my number... but everybody seem v helpfull so havent got an issue, ive decided to bin the irmscher springs as the fronts are 30mm & rear 50mm empty!! looks like the bottom pigtails have snapped so new springs required, car looks great at ridehight it is perfectly level but rear is very soft as im using frontera front shox modded so i can use the car after the S/L rears burst b4 i had chance to see if any good with springs & the monroe load levellers arnt designed for any lowered omega (according to monroe) as i found they bottom out because too long, so ive ordered a full set of coilovers with heavyer poundage rear springs at 1360kg per axel (not the 1060kg standards norm in kit) with a 20/80mm drop all round with manual C spanner adjustment & im going to fit a set of airbags inside rear coils that i can inflate if extra lift required but with HD rear coils fingers crossed should be ok without i hope  Feel free to txt me if you've any other ideas oh also on my diff prob or heated seat posts cheers Chris!

[Cliffo B]

At last I think I can  post pics of the air bladders installed as originally promised
And hopefully anything else
Been quite challenge
A proper learning curve
However persistance I hope has payed off
So here goes

[Zippy2012]

At last I think I can  post pics of the air bladders installed as originally promised
And hopefully anything else
Been quite challenge
A proper learning curve
However persistance I hope has payed off
So here goes

quick quick!!

ive fitted a pair of standard S/L rear shocks & altered the possition of the sensor so i can run the 45mm drop & even when loaded still sits how i want it so at mo all good 

but bladders maybe required at a later date......

[Cliffo B]

Could someone in admin please add a rider warning of a fair few pics
I tried by adding to the subject title but it disappeared in the posting
Hope this is Ok
Thanks

[feeutfo]

Don't worry C, just post the pics.

[Cliffo B]

Bladder kit before install,after removal from previous Miggie
Ignore white tube (wrong one)Correct one is polyurethane tube 6 mm by4mm

   

Car jacked up with suspension hanging, wheels off, and about 0 psi in bladders

Airline connection points to bladder nipples from spring base platforms,look hard can just be seen

   

Airline routed through spring base platforms and reduced bump stops

   

Airline supply from boot (over petrol tank) to Tee off to each bladder

   

Bladders with 12psi pressure,and suspension supporting full weight of car only (No load),12psi is pressure req with caravan + Load
Brake drums sitting  on axle stands

   

[Cliffo B]

The gauge,pressure switch,and low pressure warning buzzer gismo with inflation valve in the 2 top pics is installed
I think rather neatly in the loading bay
Should be able to post pics later today
Already have them

[Cliffo B]

For the record L/hand pic is L/hand Item and conversely R/hand is R/hand

[Cliffo B]

Here are the pics of where I located the bladder control point
As can be seen I used the rear light access cover panel
Just wish the pressure gauge was a flush fit
Tried a tyre guage on the schrader valve for a while which worked quite well
Untill true to form I lost it!!
There is a fused 12v supply to an in line low pressure warning switch
This in turn operates a buzzer
The buzzer is disabled/enabled by the mini switch
As is needed when the bladders are non operational
I can safely say that the buzzer has never sounded in anger
This in a good few thousand mls of enjoyable touring
As Ive mentioned earlier on in the thread Miggy can handle towing Ok without bladder assistance
But to have a caravan hooked on and Miggy haveing full and complete control of leveling and suspension as if solo
For me has to be experienced to be believed and is well worth the trouble