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Re: 3.2 still a little unhappy
« Reply #30 on: 15 March 2011, 19:33:42 »

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Don't want to sound condescending but you are using the full length of travel of the accelerator pedal, as TB suggests, including into the kickdown switch??   ;)   :y

Does the 3.2 actually have a kickdown 'switch' in the pedal assembly, or does the ECU just look for max deflection on the throttle pedal pot?

Could be a dicky pedal pot maybe - live data would, I presume, read out the current value for that so it could be checked..
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Re: 3.2 still a little unhappy
« Reply #31 on: 15 March 2011, 19:40:15 »

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Don't want to sound condescending but you are using the full length of travel of the accelerator pedal, as TB suggests, including into the kickdown switch??   ;)   :y

Yep, any harder and the foot would be through the floor  ;D :y :y

Live data snapshots / driving recordings taken for engine and gearbox. Will be posted ASAP!
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Re: 3.2 still a little unhappy
« Reply #32 on: 15 March 2011, 19:47:51 »

Engine snapshot.

At IDLE, and up to temperature:

Measuring blocks information:      
      
Battery Voltage      12.4 V
Main Relay      Active
Fuel Pump Relay      Active
APP Sensor 1 (Accelerator Pedal Position)      1.00 V
APP Sensor 2 (Accelerator Pedal Position)      0.51 V
Calculated Pedal Position      0%
APP at Idle Position (Accelerator Pedal Position)      Active
TP Sensor 1 (Throttle Position)      0.74 V
TP Sensor 2 (Throttle Position)      4.25 V
Calculated Throttle Position      1%
Throttle Position      Idle
Engine Speed      652 RPM
Mass Air Flow Sensor      1.35 V
Mass Air Flow Sensor      13 kg/h
Coolant Temperature      0.84 V
Coolant Temperature      97 °C
Intake Air Temperature      3.24 V
Intake Air Temperature      27 °C
Torque Control      Inactive
Tank Sensor      2.82 V
Tank Sensor      27 L
Park/Neutral Switch      P - N  0V
A/C Information Switch      Inactive
Brake Switch 1      Inactive
Brake Switch 2      Inactive
Clutch Switch      Active
Vehicle Speed      0 km/h
Cruise Control Tip Switch      O (off)
Cruise Control      Inactive
Vehicle Speed in Cruise Control Range      Inactive
Fuel Tank Ventilation Valve      6%
Knock Control      Inactive
B1S1 O2 Sensor Heater (Bank 1 Sensor 1)      Active
B1S1 O2 Sensor (Bank 1 Sensor 1)      684 mV
B1S1 Air/Fuel Ratio (Bank 1 Sensor 1)      Rich
B1S2 O2 Sensor Heater (Bank 1 Sensor 2)      Active
B1S2 O2 Sensor (Bank 1 Sensor 2)      644 mV
B1S2 Air/Fuel Ratio (Bank 1 Sensor 2)      Lean
B2S1 O2 Sensor Heater (Bank 2 Sensor 1)      Active
B2S1 O2 Sensor (Bank 2 Sensor 1)      644 mV
B2S1 Air/Fuel Ratio (Bank 2 Sensor 1)      Rich
B2S2 O2 Sensor Heater (Bank 2 Sensor 2)      Active
B2S2 O2 Sensor (Bank 2 Sensor 2)      117 mV
B2S2 Air/Fuel Ratio (Bank 2 Sensor 2)      Lean
O2 Sensor Loop      Closed
B1 Long Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1)      2%
B2 Long Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2)      0%
B1 Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1)      -1%
B2 Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2)      -1%
Requested Torque (Automatic Transmission)      199 Nm
Requested Torque (Traction Control)      199 Nm
A/C Relay (Air Conditioning)      Inactive
Malfunction Indicator (MI)      Off
Service Vehicle Soon (SVS) Indicator      Off
Intake Manifold Valve 1      Inactive
Intake Manifold Valve 2      Inactive
Engine Speed      652 RPM
Desired Idle Speed      650 RPM
Idle Speed Offset      0 RPM
Idle Speed Offset      Inactive
Vehicle Acceleration      0.0 m/s2
Ignition Dwell Angle      2.1 ms
Injector Time      4.0 ms
Ignition Spark Angle      8.7 °CA
B1 Knock Sensor Signal (Bank 1)      0.0 V
B2 Knock Sensor Signal (Bank 2)      0.0 V
Relative Engine Load      4%
Ignition Status      On  12V
Normal Engine Operating Temperature      Active
ETC Limp Home Mode (Electronic Throttle Control)      Inactive
Ambient Temperature      9 °C
Vehicle Speed Pulse      Not Received
Dec. Fuel Cutoff (Deceleration)      Inactive
Actual Accelerating Enrichment      0
Fuel Tank Ventilation Valve      Active
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Re: 3.2 still a little unhappy
« Reply #33 on: 15 March 2011, 19:48:29 »

Note - I have done the output tests on both multirams - both of which operate absolutely fine...
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Re: 3.2 still a little unhappy
« Reply #34 on: 15 March 2011, 19:50:18 »

Here is the GEARBOX live data snapshot - again at idle, with the car in PARK:

Emergency Mode      Inactive
Selected Mode      Economy Program
System Voltage      13.8 V
Internal Power Control Final Stage      Inactive
Brake Light Switch      Active 12V
Terminal A Selector Position Switch      Active 12V
Terminal B Selector Position Switch      Inactive 0V
Terminal C Selector Position Switch      Inactive 0V
Terminal G Selector Position Switch      Active 12V
Selector Position      -P-
Coolant Temperature Signal      94 °C
Kickdown Switch      Inactive 12V
Engine Speed      672 RPM
AT Output Speed (Automatic Transmission)      0 RPM
AT Oil Temperature (Automatic Transmission)      78 °C
AT Oil Temperature (Automatic Transmission)      1.19 V
Sport Program Switch      Inactive 12V
Sport Program Indicator      Economy 12V
Winter Program Switch      Inactive 12V
TPS Load Signal (Throttle Position Sensor)      0%
Winter Program Indicator      Econ./Sport 12V
Torque Control Signal      Inactive
Pressure Regulator Solenoid Valve      723 mA
Calculated Pressure      5.0 bar
1-2/3-4 Shift Solenoid Valve      Inactive 12V
2-3 Shift Solenoid Valve      Active 0V
Band Apply Solenoid Valve      0%
TCC Solenoid (Torque Converter Clutch)      Inactive 12V
Actual Gear      -1-
A/C Information Switch (Air Conditioning)      Inactive 0V
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Re: 3.2 still a little unhappy
« Reply #35 on: 15 March 2011, 19:51:16 »

Smooth & refined but gutless until the front multiram kicks in at 4000rpm is a symptom of the rear multiram not functioning IIRC  :-/

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Re: 3.2 still a little unhappy
« Reply #36 on: 15 March 2011, 19:54:25 »

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Smooth & refined but gutless until the front multiram kicks in at 4000rpm is a symptom of the rear multiram not functioning IIRC  :-/


Well tonight, booted it on a dual carriageway from 30 upwards - and it seemed to be hesitating a lot in the UPPER part of the rev range.

I have also taken a live data 'recording' while the car's been driven (hard and normal) for the engine and gearbox - they are half a megabyte each though, not sure how I could get them uploaded, as don't have any web space....
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Re: 3.2 still a little unhappy
« Reply #37 on: 15 March 2011, 19:55:38 »

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Note - I have done the output tests on both multirams - both of which operate absolutely fine...
What does the output test measure? Would it tell you if the rear multi ram was seized or leaking? Or if the pipe was split?
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Re: 3.2 still a little unhappy
« Reply #38 on: 15 March 2011, 19:59:43 »

Can you not create a proper snapshot with that?
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Re: 3.2 still a little unhappy
« Reply #39 on: 15 March 2011, 20:09:00 »

Forgive me for being dim but how do you" see" the multirams working? the front vac tank on mine has been bypassed for some reason and Im not sure both are working, I do get a shove at 4000rpm though.
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Re: 3.2 still a little unhappy
« Reply #40 on: 15 March 2011, 20:10:51 »

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Forgive me for being dim but how do you" see" the multirams working? the front vac tank on mine has been bypassed for some reason and Im not sure both are working, I do get a shove at 4000rpm though.
Sure sign they are not working ;)
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« Reply #41 on: 15 March 2011, 20:14:23 »

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Forgive me for being dim but how do you" see" the multirams working? the front vac tank on mine has been bypassed for some reason and Im not sure both are working, I do get a shove at 4000rpm though.


http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1153840176/0
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Re: 3.2 still a little unhappy
« Reply #42 on: 15 March 2011, 20:20:01 »

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Can you not create a proper snapshot with that?

I don't know  :'( :-/
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Re: 3.2 still a little unhappy
« Reply #43 on: 15 March 2011, 20:32:36 »

James.............
are the plenums and multirams different or interchangeable from 3.0 to 3.2????


If so, have a spare plenum and multirams sitting in my garage you can piddle about with...........?? :y
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Re: 3.2 still a little unhappy
« Reply #44 on: 15 March 2011, 20:34:28 »

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James.............
are the plenums and multirams different or interchangeable from 3.0 to 3.2????


If so, have a spare plenum and multirams sitting in my garage you can piddle about with...........?? :y

Thanks Mike!

I'm afraid the plenums are different (No EGR, ICV on the 3.2) - and they have electronically controlled throttles etc.

Thanks for the offer, though  :y
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