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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: STEMO on 09 June 2017, 06:20:27
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This time let's have a much longer run up, say, 6 months. Then we can all
talk shite debate our positions well into the winter months. Lovely. ;D
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Should get wee Jimmys neck wound in a bit anyway!
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Thank god for the Irish and the Scots, eh? Without them Mrs May would have been (more) screwed. ;D
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What a mess.
Doesn't bode well for Brexit but then I believed that the kingmakers only put May in for a stop gap until they could reverse the wrong result of Brexit.
Who will they put in her place? A staunch Remainer?
Indy ref 2 is toast
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One consolation is that some big names like Alex Salmond, Angus Robertson and Nick Clegg have gone. :y
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Boris for PM? ::) :)
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Always 'dismayed' when Theresa May won the Conservative leadership contest. IMO Theresa May is a light-weight serial loser as a politician, who made a complete mess of running the Home Office. What is her vision for the UK? There isn't one. >:( >:( >:(
I have always disliked her since she stupidly labeled her own party 'the nasty party'. I have always considered her as 'two gun, shoot both feet May' since then. She has none, absolutely zero, vision, business, sales, marketing or common sense, whatsoever, which showed in her car crash manifesto and as for not engaging in any leadership debate to sell her brand and vision, unbelievable, that's the sort of fundamental mistake you make when you have no vision, business, sales, marketing or common sense! >:( >:( >:(
IMO anything beyond a junior administrator position means Theresa May was over promoted and out of her depth. Being a 'bloody difficult person' is a hopeless attribute for being able to manage people and situations and applying any useful skill to get successful outcomes. :( :( :( Bloody awkward people tend to get marginalized as 'the team' ignores and works around them. :-[
Her grasp of political history is also poor as the history of Conservatives calling unnecessary elections is abysmal with Ted Heath's disaster a classic example! IMO like that fool, she has done great damage to the Conservative party and this country in a short period of time. :( :( :(
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She turned off the young, and as I stated in another thread, the students at University of Kent in Canterbury were queuing to get their vote in yesterday.
Surprise, surprise then that the Canterbury seat was lost to Labour after the Conservative MP Julian Brazier, a well known character in these parts, had held the seat for 30 years:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-40212652
:( :(
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I suspect a lot was to do with the extreme 'anti anybody but labour' peddling that was hitting social media, and had so much miss truth in most of it, it was frightening.
What it does show is that even Ms May can beat Corbyn without even bothering to try.......
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I suspect a lot was to do with the extreme 'anti anybody but labour' peddling that was hitting social media, and had so much miss truth in most of it, it was frightening.
What it does show is that even Ms May can beat Corbyn without even bothering to try.......
That's not what it shows me. It shows me that quite a lot of people in this country have got much better things to worry about than Brexit. She banged on about it as if it was the only show in town, but putting food on the table and being able to pay your bills trumps Brexit every time.
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I suspect a lot was to do with the extreme 'anti anybody but labour' peddling that was hitting social media, and had so much miss truth in most of it, it was frightening.
What it does show is that even Ms May can beat Corbyn without even bothering to try.......
That's not what it shows me. It shows me that quite a lot of people in this country have got much better things to worry about than Brexit. She banged on about it as if it was the only show in town, but putting food on the table and being able to pay your bills trumps Brexit every time.
If you had seen the constant one sided drivel on social media, I am not surprised that the younger generation voted the way they did.
A classic was the 'taking away free school meals for the children', when the fact was it was going back to the standard means tested approach that has worked well fro the last 50 years and committing a breakfast for all.
The general populous are very easily sold (as Brexit proved!).
The harsh reality is that I suspect the next five years will be totally taken up with Brexit and trade deals.
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In the words of private Frazer, aye we're doooooooomed ;D
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I suspect a lot was to do with the extreme 'anti anybody but labour' peddling that was hitting social media, and had so much miss truth in most of it, it was frightening.
What it does show is that even Ms May can beat Corbyn without even bothering to try.......
That's not what it shows me. It shows me that quite a lot of people in this country have got much better things to worry about than Brexit. She banged on about it as if it was the only show in town, but putting food on the table and being able to pay your bills trumps Brexit every time.
If you had seen the constant one sided drivel on social media, I am not surprised that the younger generation voted the way they did.
A classic was the 'taking away free school meals for the children', when the fact was it was going back to the standard means tested approach that has worked well fro the last 50 years and committing a breakfast for all.
The general populous are very easily sold (as Brexit proved!).
The harsh reality is that I suspect the next five years will be totally taken up with Brexit and trade deals.
This 'breakfast for all children', who was going to pay for that? Staff don't start till 8:40, so would they have to 'volunteer' to come in early, without pay? Would the kitchen staff have to do the same? No. You would have to somehow get extra staff in just for breakfast. A non-starter.
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Everyone is acting as if Corbyn won..he didn't. The tories can still govern, just not with the same smugness they could before.
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He has however cemented his own position in Labour. The worst possible outcome for most Labour MP,s.
He wont bother with a manifesto next time, just hand out copies of Das Kapital. There are still interesting times ahead within the Labour party I think.
May really is damaged goods now though. She will carry on, I don't see any other option for the good of the country, but she will be gone before the next election.
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She got her arse kicked, so a good result - which she brought on herself by petulantly running to the country.
Boris, could you please take over now?
Ron.
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Boris, could you please take over now?
Ron.
I assume that's sarcasm? She may not be any good as a leader but him... Really? ???
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She got her arse kicked, so a good result - which she brought on herself by petulantly running to the country.
Boris, could you please take over now?
Ron.
She'll be forced to bend a knee to the DUP.
As for Brexit it may well take the form of 'watery porridge' if it even happens at all.
A total cluster f*ck and her position is untenable.
It gets worse, it looks like 'Shouty Farage' is making a comeback as the Lone Ranger. I may be forced to retire to my private island in the Seychelles. ;)
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Not really, LD; the trouble with Boris is that he tried too well to hide his intelligence (so as to get people to underestimate him) and it worked - but against him!
He remains under all the baffoonery a very able and competent bloke.
Ron.
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I see old 12 seat Tim Farron is calling for May's resignation. Irrelevant prick. ;D
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HANG ON! Where's bargain hunt? Oh...ok...it's on BBC 2. Phew.
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HANG ON! Where's bargain hunt? Oh...ok...it's on BBC 2. Phew.
Yeah,. it's Ok to dismantle parliament and leave chaos in it's place, but when it comes to important British institutions like that.. ;)
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Best news of the night was Alex Salmond and Angus Robertson are out. :D
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What time is Theresa riding Black Bess over to the palace? Liz better hide all of her valuables, she is a pensioner after all, and
Dick Theresa will stop her winter fuel payments if she sees all the booty.
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Best news of the night was Alex Salmond and Angus Robertson are out. :D
You forgot to mention Nick Clegg. :).............plus that smug little prick Ben Gummer, who I believe wrote the Tory manifesto.
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Right, well missed most of that as was working last night and have only just woke up. So its a Hung Parliament.
And May is off to see the Queen, but the real question is when are they actually going to start Hanging People within Parliament and what Channel will it be on. :y
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What time is Theresa riding Black Bess over to the palace? Liz better hide all of her valuables, she is a pensioner after all, and Dick Theresa will stop her winter fuel payments if she sees all the booty.
I lmagine the Queens first words will be.....OFFS, all you had do do was get rid of that tiresome little working class lout. I was due to play canasta with afternoon. Say what you have to say and then f*ck off back to number 10.
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What time is Theresa riding Black Bess over to the palace? Liz better hide all of her valuables, she is a pensioner after all, and Dick Theresa will stop her winter fuel payments if she sees all the booty.
I lmagine the Queens first words will be.....OFFS, all you had do do was get rid of that tiresome little working class lout. I was due to play canasta with afternoon. Say what you have to say and then f*ck off back to number 10.
And don't forget to put something in the renovation box on the way out. ;D
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What time is Theresa riding Black Bess over to the palace? Liz better hide all of her valuables, she is a pensioner after all, and Dick Theresa will stop her winter fuel payments if she sees all the booty.
I lmagine the Queens first words will be.....OFFS, all you had do do was get rid of that tiresome little working class lout. I was due to play canasta with afternoon. Say what you have to say and then f*ck off back to number 10.
And don't forget to put something in the renovation box on the way out. ;D
;D ;D ;D
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Theresa May comes across as very contained, and I get the feeling that other than her husband she is something of a 'Bessie no mates'
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Theresa May comes across as very contained, and I get the feeling that other than her husband she is something of a 'Bessie no mates'
No doubt a stiff rogering from your good self would sort her out.
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Theresa May comes across as very contained, and I get the feeling that other than her husband she is something of a 'Bessie no mates'
No doubt a stiff rogering from your good self would sort her out.
Yes. A possible remedy. A course of action that would also cure sexy Shami of the curse of feminism and lesbianism.
Fortunately Ann Widdecombe is not PM. :)
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So...if the tories decide to do something nasty with tax or benefits, will NI be exempt or will the DUP do the dirty on them as Clegg did to students for his egotistical trip.
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So...if the tories decide to do something nasty with tax or benefits, will NI be exempt or will the DUP do the dirty on them as Clegg did to students for his egotistical trip.
They have the whip hand. The DUP hold the reins to power.......and they know it.
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They have the whip hand. The DUP hold the reins to power.......and they know it.
I wonder if the media will finally pipe down about Corbyn's links to the IRA now that we have loyalist paramilitaries propping up the government. ;D
I suspect not ::)
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They have the whip hand. The DUP hold the reins to power.......and they know it.
I wonder if the media will finally pipe down about Corbyn's links to the IRA now that we have loyalist paramilitaries propping up the government. ;D
I suspect not ::)
Good point. One for PMQ's methinks. ;D
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FFS !! the DUP are NOT loyalist paramilitaries. Jesus wept. >:(
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FFS !! the DUP are NOT loyalist paramilitaries. Jesus wept. >:(
No, they're just full of former Ulster Resistance and Ulster Volunteer Force members. Of course everyone will no doubt argue they've all moved on and changed their stance since the days of the troubles. But apparently Jeremy Corbyn isn't afforded the same allowances. So I shall continue to judge them by the yardstick JC is measured by.
Once a terrorist sympathiser, always a terrorist sympathiser.
And that's before we get started on their anti gay rights, anti climate change and anti abortion stances. They are a nasty grubby little collection of (possibly) former terrorists.
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FFS !! the DUP are NOT loyalist paramilitaries. Jesus wept. >:(
No, they're just full of former Ulster Resistance and Ulster Volunteer Force members. Of course everyone will no doubt argue they've all moved on and changed their stance since the days of the troubles. But apparently Jeremy Corbyn isn't afforded the same allowances. So I shall continue to judge them by the yardstick JC is measured by.
Once a terrorist sympathiser, always a terrorist sympathiser.
And that's before we get started on their anti gay rights, anti climate change and anti abortion stances. They are a nasty grubby little collection of (possibly) former terrorists.
Proof of this please.
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FFS !! the DUP are NOT loyalist paramilitaries. Jesus wept. >:(
No, they're just full of former Ulster Resistance and Ulster Volunteer Force members. Of course everyone will no doubt argue they've all moved on and changed their stance since the days of the troubles. But apparently Jeremy Corbyn isn't afforded the same allowances. So I shall continue to judge them by the yardstick JC is measured by.
Once a terrorist sympathiser, always a terrorist sympathiser.
And that's before we get started on their anti gay rights, anti climate change and anti abortion stances. They are a nasty grubby little collection of (possibly) former terrorists.
Proof of this please.
You don't need proof, you just have to say it. That's how it works. You're not very good at this, Albs. ;D
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Tommy Sandford and, until last yr Peter Robinson are the first two that spring to mind.
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Politicians and nappies have one thing in common. They should both be changed regularly, and for the same reason.
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Politicians and nappies have one thing in common. They should both be changed regularly, and for the same reason.
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Politicians and nappies have one thing in common. They should both be changed regularly, and for the same reason.
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Speaking of bad smells, why is the BBC showing wall-to-wall Mandelson today?
If the election result told us anything, it is that the ideology of which he was the architect is now well and truly dead and buried. So... Bye!
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The general populous are very easily sold (as Brexit proved!).
You are far too liberal, Mr DTM. The British populous are thicker than 2 short planks...
...and most still thinks we'll get free access to the EU post Brexit. That was never going to happen before, and certainly won't now ;D
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The general populous are very easily sold (as Brexit proved!).
You are far too liberal, Mr DTM. The British populous are thicker than 2 short planks...
...and most still thinks we'll get free access to the EU post Brexit. That was never going to happen before, and certainly won't now ;D
As I said earlier, I don't think it's that high up the list for the majority.
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Perhaps it should have been :-X
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The general populous are very easily sold (as Brexit proved!).
You are far too liberal, Mr DTM. The British populous are thicker than 2 short planks...
...and most still thinks we'll get free access to the EU post Brexit. That was never going to happen before, and certainly won't now ;D
TB....We are still waiting for you to implement the cull. :)
I hope I'm not one of those to be rounded up for the 'final solution' ::) ::)
Start with STMO, he is old and infirm. :y
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Be prudent to start with the young and stupid ;)
Catch them early before they breed :-X
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The old are stupid for voting for Brexit, the young are stupid for not voting conservative. It appears to me what you mean is...anyone who doesn't agree with me is stupid. Maybe they would think that you are stupid, and there are more of them than you. :)
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Tommy Sandford and, until last yr Peter Robinson are the first two that spring to mind.
Don't know Tommy Sandford so cant comment. Peter Robinson - don't much like the bloke. My sister worked in his office for quite a while, don't think she was keen on him either. However, I do know that he hasnt ever been anything that anyone could remotely describe as a terrorist.
You will be telling us next that the B specials were terrorists too. ::)
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Tommy Sandford and, until last yr Peter Robinson are the first two that spring to mind.
Don't know Tommy Sandford so cant comment. Peter Robinson - don't much like the bloke. My sister worked in his office for quite a while, don't think she was keen on him either. However, I do know that he hasnt ever been anything that anyone could remotely describe as a terrorist.
You will be telling us next that the B specials were terrorists too. ::)
Didn't they have a few hits in the eighties? :-\
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FFS !! the DUP are NOT loyalist paramilitaries. Jesus wept. >:(
No, they're just full of former Ulster Resistance and Ulster Volunteer Force members. Of course everyone will no doubt argue they've all moved on and changed their stance since the days of the troubles. But apparently Jeremy Corbyn isn't afforded the same allowances. So I shall continue to judge them by the yardstick JC is measured by.
Once a terrorist sympathiser, always a terrorist sympathiser.
And that's before we get started on their anti gay rights, anti climate change and anti abortion stances. They are a nasty grubby little collection of (possibly) former terrorists.
Proof of this please.
Wikipedia says (currently) "The DUP has historically been associated with paramilitarism and in recent years has been supported by paramilitary Ulster loyalist groups such as the Ulster Defence Association, the Ulster Volunteer Force and the Red Hand Commando, which have been proscribed terrorist organisations."
i'm not sure you'll ever see proof but those paramilitary people must have gone somewhere, and (for those ones anyway) it wouldn't have been to sinn fein.
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What is of equal concern is what concessions our Weak and Wobly prime minister will give them in order to keep her tenuous hold on No. 10.
As I mentioned previously, they hold a number of positions on issues of equality which should have no place in our government. They can also count a number of creationists amongst their senior members. Which immediately gets you marked down as a 1st order looney in my book.
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What is of equal concern is what concessions our Weak and Wobly prime minister will give them in order to keep her tenuous hold on No. 10.
As I mentioned previously, they hold a number of positions on issues of equality which should have no place in our government. They can also count a number of creationists amongst their senior members. Which immediately gets you marked down as a 1st order looney in my book.
They want a fluid border with the EU, ie Eire. This is fine. NI can become our filtration point, scrap domestic flights from there and have a fast track for British Passports flying in from the Province. Job done.
As for the whole creationist bolax, every MP swears an allegiance to God and The Queen... :D
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A more important question is will Lord sittapong meerkat change his avatar to arlene foster? Kingmaker although he may bauLk at her parties approach to gay/bi rights.
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The main reason for the settlement in Northern Ireland was that the two terrorist sides found it was bad for their organised crime syndicates' businesses. :-X :-X :-X
They make more money now but there has been a bit of a turf war going on in Dublin with multiple murders. :o :o :o
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If you had seen the constant one sided drivel on social media, I am not surprised that the younger generation voted the way they did.
The younger generation on facebook seem to think that St. Jezza single handedly brought about peace in Northern Ireland. ::)
Now Theresa May is being branded a terrorist sympathiser.....
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If you had seen the constant one sided drivel on social media, I am not surprised that the younger generation voted the way they did.
The younger generation on facebook seem to think that St. Jezza single handedly brought about peace in Northern Ireland. ::)
Now Theresa May is being branded a terrorist sympathiser.....
Whereas of course the print media have been utterly impartial in their reporting of the two main candidates ::)
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You can stop now, boys, it's over. The fat lady has sung.
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Not to mention that we'll probably all be back here again before the end of the year. ;D
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Well I'm not getting involved next time. Everybody picks on me even though I'm always right. Ho hum...... ;D
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For me Tory win. Job done. A bit like a scrappy 1-0 win away from home on a miserable frozen February evening ;D
The first thing I heard this morning though made me laugh....
"Following a hung parliament Jeremy Corbin calls for the immediate resignation of Theresa May". Coming from the guy who refused to go even though everyone in his own party wanted someone other than him. Unelectable prick. ;D
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You can stop now, boys, it's over. The fat lady has sung.
Has Adele released a new album then?
::)
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If you had seen the constant one sided drivel on social media, I am not surprised that the younger generation voted the way they did.
The younger generation on facebook seem to think that St. Jezza single handedly brought about peace in Northern Ireland. ::)
Now Theresa May is being branded a terrorist sympathiser.....
Whereas of course the print media have been utterly impartial in their reporting of the two main candidates ::)
You missed the point Jimmy, which was with social media a lie can be shared and spread with astonishing speed and almost get a life of it's own. ;) I think that the old saying of 'Tell a lie often enough and it becomes the truth' has never been so relevant when applied to social media.
If you want to compare with print media, of course lies get told there too (and as we all know The Guardian is renowned for it! :P ;D), but the difference is that the paper ends up in the (recycling) bin at the end of the day and the lie gets forgotten. ;)
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Very true, social media allows stories "to go viral" in a way they never could before. However this ignores the (oft used) ability of print media to mount a sustained campaign aimed at destroying the character and reputation of a person or group that doesn't fit their narrative.
Given that the majority of our print media is owned by a handful of million/billionaires (who incidentally aren't really into the whole tax paying thing) then that narrative is hardly going to be a balanced one.
When it comes to politics, almost every media source has an axe to grind. At least a lot of the online stuff can be fact-checked fairly readily, the print media are generally well "lawyerd up" and the best you're likely to get is a mealy mouthed apology, 3 yrs after the event, printed in size 3 font on page 907 of their Sunday supplement on shoe polish.
Sorting the fact from fiction can be hard online, but at least you know it isn't all bent around someone else's vision of what you should be thinking.
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Very true, social media allows stories "to go viral" in a way they never could before. However this ignores the (oft used) ability of print media to mount a sustained campaign aimed at destroying the character and reputation of a person or group that doesn't fit their narrative.
Given that the majority of our print media is owned by a handful of million/billionaires (who incidentally aren't really into the whole tax paying thing) then that narrative is hardly going to be a balanced one.
When it comes to politics, almost every media source has an axe to grind. At least a lot of the online stuff can be fact-checked fairly readily, the print media are generally well "lawyerd up" and the best you're likely to get is a mealy mouthed apology, 3 yrs after the event, printed in size 3 font on page 907 of their Sunday supplement on shoe polish.
Sorting the fact from fiction can be hard online, but at least you know it isn't all bent around someone else's vision of what you should be thinking.
In other words, government input is limited and they cannot easily restrict/control the output as they can with more traditional forms of media. That is another reason why the state, even in our "democratic" society, does not like the Internets social media and the like.
The worst form was of course the control excised by Joseph Goebbels, and is a lesson in potential state propaganda and highlights how dangerous limiting the media is. ;)
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Sorting the fact from fiction can be hard online.....
How many people actually bother though? ::) They just see something on Facebook and think wow that's amazing/disgusting and hit the share button!
Two examples during the election was the narrative that emerged that Jeremy Corbin singlehandedly brought about peace in Northern Ireland (I challenged this once which really stirred the keyboard warriors up!! :o ;D) and a fake NHS poster urging people to buy their NHS health insurance by a certain date in 2018 and to check if you were eligible for £4000 a year free coverage! I think this was started by Momentum or a similar group and was taken down after complaints, but not before it was shared a few hundred thousand times! ::)
BTW Jimmy I'm not disputing anything you say about the print media as they all have their axes to grind, but I think that social media is a much more dangerous medium for spreading lies, as it's much harder to control. ;) The Daily Mail is as you say 'all lawyered up' but they know the limits and how far they can go. Little Johnnie Momentum in his bedroom however is a very different propostion.... :-\
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Sorting the fact from fiction can be hard online.....
How many people actually bother though? ::) They just see something on Facebook and think wow that's amazing/disgusting and hit the share button!
Two examples during the election was the narrative that emerged that Jeremy Corbin singlehandedly brought about peace in Northern Ireland (I challenged this once which really stirred the keyboard warriors up!! :o ;D) and a fake NHS poster urging people to buy their NHS health insurance by a certain date in 2018 and to check if you were eligible for £4000 a year free coverage! I think this was started by Momentum or a similar group and was taken down after complaints, but not before it was shared a few hundred thousand times! ::)
BTW Jimmy I'm not disputing anything you say about the print media as they all have their axes to grind, but I think that social media is a much more dangerous medium for spreading lies, as it's much harder to control. ;) The Daily Mail is as you say 'all lawyered up' but they know the limits and how far they can go. Little Johnnie Momentum in his bedroom however is a very different propostion.... :-\
Ok. That is all widely recognised by many, but what can be done about it? :-\ :-\
State censorship, full state control, the banning of any site that is disagreeing with the ruling party / government? Don't think so myself! That is on the road to what I warn about in my post of a few minutes ago. ;)
We are in a democracy where we apparently value free speech as long as it hurts or offends no one. It would be easy to reverse all that once we are out of the EU, but do we really want to start doing that? :-\ :-\
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We're not really talking about censorship, but how to stop people spreading lies. After all censorship can and has often been used to suppress the truth. ;)
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We're not really talking about censorship, but how to stop people spreading lies. After all censorship can and has often been used to suppress the truth. ;)
Best of luck with that one Sir Tigger :D :D
How about anyone who displeases us being sent to a camp somewhere? Or is it censorship that could be better? But how?? :-\ :-\
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We're not really talking about censorship, but how to stop people spreading lies. After all censorship can and has often been used to suppress the truth. ;)
I rather think the families of those who died at Hillsborough would contend we haven't adequately addressed that problem with traditional forms of media just yet, never mind online sources!
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The Sunday papers have really gone for Mother Theresa this morning. Almost cruel in their lambasting of her election gamble. A cartoon in the supposedly staid Sunday Times has her disheveled on the pavement outside a betting shop, with a Corbyn-faced dog pissing on her. Totally unnecessary imo, it seems to be a race to the lowest point of bad taste.
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Well, her masters don't take a servant's failure lightly ;)
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Well, her masters don't take a servant's failure lightly ;)
I know that, Jimmy, and, as I have said before, she is condescending, arrogant and superior. We can now add to that naive, bordering on stupid...........but still.........hmmmmm....
Yeah........get stuck in to her. ;D
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Yeah........get stuck in to her. ;D
Oh I think she'll be getting it good n proper shortly (oo er).
Interesting I thought that Ruth Davidson is calling today for a "softening" of Brexit, to prioritise the economy and free trade over immigration. Not saying it will come to anything, but if the 13 con's north of the border took her lead, it's going to be a pain in the 'arris for old Weak n Wobbly, particularly as it would cancel out the advantage her Faustian pact with the nutcases gave her. :P
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I suspect it will come to something.
Anywhere from us not leaving the EU to the softest of Brexit. The tide is turning.
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I suspect it will come to something.
Anywhere from us not leaving the EU to the softest of Brexit. The tide is turning.
We'll leave in name only and become a vassal state of the EU. :o ::) >:(
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Don't count on it. The DUP and most of the Tory party are real brexiteers as opposed to pretend brexiteers. Ruth Davidson, and almost anyone else in the Tory party wont risk a constitutional crisis by voting with Corbyn, and thus another general election. We shall see. ;)
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The Sunday papers have really gone for Mother Theresa this morning. Almost cruel in their lambasting of her election gamble. A cartoon in the supposedly staid Sunday Times has her disheveled on the pavement outside a betting shop, with a Corbyn-faced dog pissing on her. Totally unnecessary imo, it seems to be a race to the lowest point of bad taste.
Labour lost the election, but May failed to achieve a great victory when she should have done. But to listen and see some of the drivel coming out from the media, and various Labour MP's, makes me angry, and is a big switch off.
What has happened has happened, now everyone has got to move on and make sense of the mad politics of this age and take this country forward with Brexit now THE crucial factor! ::) ::)
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May is in the process of forming her new cabinet. To keep the DUP happy, she is creating a new post of 'Minister for Spuds'.
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;D ;D :P.............plus a statue of Ian Paisley on college green. :y
And not just any old spuds.It has to be the Ministry for Comber spuds. :y
The Ministry for Bushmills whisky can be added later. :)
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May is in the process of forming her new cabinet. To keep the DUP happy, she is creating a new post of 'Minister for Spuds'.
Potato... (https://youtu.be/JIga5_rVOW4) :D
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Apparently its going to take more tan that to keep them happy. They are pushing for Farage to be included in the Brexit negotiating team. :)
Meanwhile over on planet Brussels, they are planning on demolishing the parliament building (because it doesnt comply with their own regulations) and replacing it with a brand new building. The cost is reported to be a mere 500 million euros. ;D
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Apparently its going to take more tan that to keep them happy. They are pushing for Farage to be included in the Brexit negotiating team. :)
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Meanwhile over on planet Brussels, they are planning on demolishing the parliament building (because it doesnt comply with their own regulations) and replacing it with a brand new building. The cost is reported to be a mere 500 million euros. ;D
.. and then they'll have to so the same thing all over again in Strasbourg because "bloody French". ::)
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Apparently its going to take more tan that to keep them happy. They are pushing for Farage to be included in the Brexit negotiating team. :)
Meanwhile over on planet Brussels, they are planning on demolishing the parliament building (because it doesnt comply with their own regulations) and replacing it with a brand new building. The cost is reported to be a mere 500 million euros. ;D
That is cheap. The estimated cost of rebuilding / refurbishing, and generally making our Houses of Parliament buildings safe and fit for purpose is between £3.5bn and £5.7bn, and those figures will go up!! :o :o :o ;)
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They are pushing for Farage to be included in the Brexit negotiating team. :)
You really should stop believing reading the Express Albs! ;D
Meanwhile The Guardian is reporting that the EU has threatened to delay negotiations for a year to revise it's negotiating guidelines if HMG insist on parallel talks on withdrawal and trade! ::)
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/eu-threatens-year-long-delay-in-brexit-talks-over-uks-negotiating-stance/ar-BBCuUVW?li=AA59G2&ocid=spartanntp
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FFS !! the DUP are NOT loyalist paramilitaries. Jesus wept. >:(
No, they're just full of former Ulster Resistance and Ulster Volunteer Force members. Of course everyone will no doubt argue they've all moved on and changed their stance since the days of the troubles. But apparently Jeremy Corbyn isn't afforded the same allowances. So I shall continue to judge them by the yardstick JC is measured by.
Once a terrorist sympathiser, always a terrorist sympathiser.
And that's before we get started on their anti gay rights, anti climate change and anti abortion stances. They are a nasty grubby little collection of (possibly) former terrorists.
Proof of this please.
Wikipedia says (currently) "The DUP has historically been associated with paramilitarism and in recent years has been supported by paramilitary Ulster loyalist groups such as the Ulster Defence Association, the Ulster Volunteer Force and the Red Hand Commando, which have been proscribed terrorist organisations."
i'm not sure you'll ever see proof but those paramilitary people must have gone somewhere, and (for those ones anyway) it wouldn't have been to sinn fein.
Without wanting to get into the ins and outs of the debate about DUP - because I don't know - FFS do not believe anything on Wikipedia.
Every time I do quizzes, I put false info on Wikipedia, as its a great way to catch cheaters ;). I'm sure others do it for other benefits.
I also think Wikipedia should be closed, due to greed, but that's off topic here.
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So....the queens speech has been put back by 'a few days'. I reckon Theresa is having more trouble with the 1922 committee than the DUP. This will be one big compromise from start to finish. Don't expect to see any proposals which could upset even four or five back benchers, not without some kind of bribe being paid.
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So....the queens speech has been put back by 'a few days'. I reckon Theresa is having more trouble with the 1922 committee than the DUP. This will be one big compromise from start to finish. Don't expect to see any proposals which could upset even four or five back benchers, not without some kind of bribe being paid.
That's coalition goodness for you ;)
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There is so much waffle flying around in the media at the moment, but it all came to two things.
Corbyn promised young / stupid/ gullible people the moon on a stick, so quite a few of them voted for him.
The Tories were arrogant enough to believe they could hit retired people (their core voters) quite hard and still rely on their votes.
Quite a few of these stayed at home and didnt vote in protest at this.
Throw the return of fox hunting into the equation just to alienate a whole load more people,and you could almost wonder how the Tories actually did as well as they did.
If the Queens speech drops the abolition of the triple lock, the so called dementia tax, means tested winter fuel allowance and return of fox hunting - the Tories could probably call another election next week and get a healthy majority.
No-one has the stomach for that though, so it aint going to happen.
P.S Sir Tigger - The Express ? !! How very dare you. ;D
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There is so much waffle flying around in the media at the moment, but it all came to two things.
Corbyn promised young / stupid/ gullible people the moon on a stick, so quite a few of them voted for him.
The Tories were arrogant enough to believe they could hit retired people (their core voters) quite hard and still rely on their votes.
Quite a few of these stayed at home and didnt vote in protest at this.
Throw the return of fox hunting into the equation just to alienate a whole load more people,and you could almost wonder how the Tories actually did as well as they did.
If the Queens speech drops the abolition of the triple lock, the so called dementia tax, means tested winter fuel allowance and return of fox hunting - the Tories could probably call another election next week and get a healthy majority.
No-one has the stomach for that though, so it aint going to happen.
P.S Sir Tigger - The Express ? !! How very dare you. ;D
Yes..probably....and if we reran the referendum vote, we wouldn't be leaving.
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The one party which campaigned on an anti Brexit manifesto didn't do very well did they ? ;)
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The one party which campaigned on an anti Brexit manifesto didn't do very well did they ? ;)
Well, they did a lot better than last time ::)
I think most people against Brexit - probably now the majority - know that democracy has spoken. Right or wrong, it now has to happen :y
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They did a little better, but hardly a resurgence. I don't know why it might now be a majority against Brexit tbh. A lot of "don't knows" were very influenced by the things Osborne and Cameron said, many of which subsequently proved to be completely untrue.
Anyway, as you said, most people accept the democratic decision and its going to happen.
Personally,I doubt its going to be softened / watered down/ diluted ,whichever phrase is currently in fashion - but time will tell.
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They can't afford to water it down. Besides, even if they negotiate nothing, we still have World Trade guidelines to fall back on... Which might make negotiations somewhat moot ::)
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They did a little better, but hardly a resurgence. I don't know why it might now be a majority against Brexit tbh. A lot of "don't knows" were very influenced by the things Osborne and Cameron said, many of which subsequently proved to be completely untrue.
Anyway, as you said, most people accept the democratic decision and its going to happen.
Personally,I doubt its going to be softened / watered down/ diluted ,whichever phrase is currently in fashion - but time will tell.
I think it will be watered down, personally.
I've been looking for your 'landslide' post, but it seems to be eluding me for now. :D
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The last survey I saw where people were asked how they would vote again if there was a new referendum tomorrow, over 60% who said they would vote, would vote to leave. The most common reason for changing their mind from originally playing safe and voting remain, due to project fear. As that didn't happen they would now vote to leave. :y
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The last survey I saw where people were asked how they would vote again if there was a new referendum tomorrow, over 60% who said they would vote, would vote to leave. The most common reason for changing their mind from originally playing safe and voting remain, due to project fear. As that didn't happen they would now vote to leave. :y
That surprises me.
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Lots of 'Remainer' MP's and leftie media claiming that the election was about BREXIT and that result was a rejection of 'Hard' BREXIT. ::)
Funny thing this, I thought BREXIT was largely sidelined by JC's successful domination of the conversation in favour of public services. People didn't vote Labour for a 'Soft' BREXIT, they voted Labour for a massive government handout! ::)
The irony of this is that post election, both JC and the odious John McDonnell have both said that Britain has to leave the single market. Although Barry Gardiner has said today that Britain could remain in a reformed single market! :o Where the hell has he been for the last 2 or 3 years! :D ;D
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The last survey I saw where people were asked how they would vote again if there was a new referendum tomorrow, over 60% who said they would vote, would vote to leave. The most common reason for changing their mind from originally playing safe and voting remain, due to project fear. As that didn't happen they would now vote to leave. :y
I'm always a bit suspicious about "surveys", I mean I could go down the pub tonight and do a "survey". However, I voted Leave and still believe that to be the right road ahead, But oh dear, all the aftermath, the "what ifs" the doubters, those trying to change the result, the political manoeuvring blah blah. If there was another referendum, the choice being 1: "do it and get on with it" or 2: "Do it, Well maybe possibly if this or that" or 3: "No, stay in". I would vote 3 instead of 2.
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What is also worth considering is the very high turnout amongst the young in this GE, which did have a significant effect on the result. This is something that has never happened before. Yea there was significant engagement over the Brexit referendum, but it did not affect the result the way the majority of the young wanted.
the GE has demonstrated that the young vote does have some sway in the uk and this can only increase youth voter engagement going forward.
Personally, I don't want a second referendum, because it will be a re-run of the wall to wall bullish!t on both sides that the last one was (Project Fear vs £350m/wk). What I would like to see is a vote once the deal is negotiated with 3 options: remain in the eu, take the offered deal, or take WTO tariffs. This is the ONLY way people can make a truly informed choice about the future of the uk. It means brexiteers can vote down a "soft" Brexit and we can truly see how many people actually wanted a hard Brexit.
I'm not saying we (or parliament) would ever be allowed that vote, but IMHO it would be the best way to take the decision.
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What is also worth considering is the very high turnout amongst the young in this GE, which did have a significant effect on the result.
The GE has demonstrated that the young vote does have some sway in the uk and this can only increase youth voter engagement going forward.
Yes, political parties will have to offer the kids sweeties! ::) ;D
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Yes, political parties will have to offer the kids sweeties! ::) ;D
Well, it's been working on the old scrotes for years ::)
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Yes, political parties will have to offer the kids sweeties! ::) ;D
Well, it's been working on the old scrotes for years ::)
Yes, but this time they took the Wurther's Originals away! ::) :D ;D
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And hell hath no fury like a hypoglycaemia pensioner! ;D
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Maybe the real lesson to be learned from this election is that people shouldn't be allowed to vote until they have been taxpayers for X number of consecutive years ?
Tin hat on. ;D
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Maybe the real lesson to be learned from this election is that people shouldn't be allowed to vote until they have moved out, got their own home and been taxpayers for X number of consecutive years?
Tin hat on. ;D
That works for me ;)
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Maybe the real lesson to be learned from this election is that people shouldn't be allowed to vote until they have been taxpayers for X number of consecutive years ?
Tin hat on. ;D
Or maybe just restricting the vote to male property owners over the age of 21! :)
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Maybe the real lesson to be learned from this election is that people shouldn't be allowed to vote until they have been taxpayers for X number of consecutive years ?
Tin hat on. ;D
Or maybe just restricting the vote to male property owners over the age of 21! :)
.. or even an IQ of over 21. ::)
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Maybe the real lesson to be learned from this election is that people shouldn't be allowed to vote until they have been taxpayers for X number of consecutive years ?
Tin hat on. ;D
Or maybe just restricting the vote to male property owners over the age of 21! :)
.. or even an IQ of over 21. ::)
What's an IQ? ??? ;D
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Maybe the real lesson to be learned from this election is that people shouldn't be allowed to vote until they have been taxpayers for X number of consecutive years ?
Tin hat on. ;D
Or maybe just restricting the vote to male property owners over the age of 21! :)
.. or even an IQ of over 21. ::)
What's an IQ? ??? ;D
In Darset, it's that thing that cider obliterates. :y
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Maybe the real lesson to be learned from this election is that people shouldn't be allowed to vote until they have been taxpayers for X number of consecutive years ?
Tin hat on. ;D
Or maybe just restricting the vote to male property owners over the age of 21! :)
;D
.. or even an IQ of over 21. ::)
What's an IQ? ??? ;D
In Darset, it's that thing that cider obliterates. :y
Arrr! ::)
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Maybe the real lesson to be learned from this election is that people shouldn't be allowed to vote until they have been taxpayers for X number of consecutive years ?
Tin hat on. ;D
Or maybe just restricting the vote to male property owners over the age of 21! :)
.. or even an IQ of over 21. ::)
What's an IQ? ??? ;D
In Darset, it's that thing that cider calibrates. :y
Fixed :D
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Maybe the real lesson to be learned from this election is that people shouldn't be allowed to vote until they have been taxpayers for X number of consecutive years ?
Tin hat on. ;D
Or maybe just restricting the vote to male property owners over the age of 21! :)
.. or even an IQ of over 21. ::)
What's an IQ? ??? ;D
In Darset, it's that thing that cider calibrates. :y
Fixed :D
Arrr! ;D
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Maybe the real lesson to be learned from this election is that people shouldn't be allowed to vote until they have been taxpayers for X number of consecutive years ?
Tin hat on. ;D
Or maybe just restricting the vote to male property owners over the age of 21! :)
......and remove the vote from women. :y
No need for them to get 'their pretty little heads' all muddled and confused.
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Maybe the real lesson to be learned from this election is that people shouldn't be allowed to vote until they have been taxpayers for X number of consecutive years ?
Tin hat on. ;D
Or maybe just restricting the vote to male property owners over the age of 21! :)
......and remove the vote from women. :y
No need for them to get 'their pretty little heads' all muddled and confused.
I thought about suggesting this on Facebook for a laugh and to see what the level of outrage it would provoke ::), but I chickened out! ;D
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Maybe the real lesson to be learned from this election is that people shouldn't be allowed to vote until they have been taxpayers for X number of consecutive years ?
Tin hat on. ;D
Or maybe just restricting the vote to male property owners over the age of 21! :)
In 1918 (some) women were given the vote. Women over 30 who were property owners.
In 1928 the law was changed to all women over 21.
In 1970 the law was changed again to all women over 18.......with a possibility of the voting age dropping to 16 quite soon.
We've all being saying that the young are a bunch of lazy pissed-up bone idle little shits who are too lazy to rise from their stinking pit to vote.
That was certainly true for the Brexit vote. For all of Corbyn's faults he was able to galvanise the next generation into voting. Theresa May is simply 'too stiff' and Vulcan like to appeal to anybody but stuffy old farts. :) ;)
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I wager she'd be crap in the sack. :)
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I'm strongly against lowering the voting age to 16. Ideally I would like to see it raised to at least 21. But more importantly, people should only be allowed to vote, if they broadly agree with me. :y :D
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I wager she'd be crap in the sack. :)
Might be a bit posh and a bit dirty.
NWS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlNCskkl9ho
;D
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I'm strongly against lowering the voting age to 16. Ideally I would like to see it raised to at least 21. But more importantly, people should only be allowed to vote, if they broadly agree with me. :y :D
:o :o :o :o
Fortunately I think it unlikely you will become the next dictator PM of GB. ;)
Theresa May is dead in the water as George Osborne gleefully likes to point out.
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According to a cross section of the papers I read this morning, this cloud could have a very silver lining. The tories remain in power, albeit in a much weaker position, but they were always the best party to negotiate Brexit. But some (most) of their austerity measures have to be well watered down to please their back benchers.
Triple lock staying, winter fuel allowance staying, no more cuts to education, no grammar schools, public pay to rise faster than 1% pa...............
A Tory government with a liberal sprinkling of socialism.
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Oh.....and this will please Albs....no further cuts to benefits :)
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I'm strongly against lowering the voting age to 16. Ideally I would like to see it raised to at least 21. But more importantly, people should only be allowed to vote, if they broadly agree with me. :y :D
:o :o :o :o
Fortunately I think it unlikely you will become the next dictator PM of GB. ;)
Theresa May is dead in the water as George Osborne gleefully likes to point out.
He's really shown himself up as a nasty little shit IMO. ::)
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Oh.....and this will please Albs....no further cuts to benefits :)
And as always with Socialism, the question is - where will the money come from to pay for it all ?
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I'm strongly against lowering the voting age to 16. Ideally I would like to see it raised to at least 21. But more importantly, people should only be allowed to vote, if they broadly agree with me. :y :D
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From the Times this morning:
(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n156/stmo987/IMG_0490.jpeg)
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Oh.....and this will please Albs....no further cuts to benefits :)
And as always with Socialism, the question is - where will the money come from to pay for it all ?
Easy......just use the £350M we will get back from Brexit every week. :)
Oh, sorry, my mistake. Every penny of that is going to fund the NHS. I suppose we could always use the £60-100 billion we are supposed to pay the EU when we finally leave.
We tell the EU to f*ck off and tell them that they won't get a penny. I'm sure they will understand. :)
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Oh.....and this will please Albs....no further cuts to benefits :)
And as always with Socialism, the question is - where will the money come from to pay for it all ?
That's not your problem, it's the problem of the government. And if you think that someone who is barely living on a day-to-day basis is going to be worried about the national debt......or Brexit.....the I'm afraid you're mistaken.
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And that is exactly why we have £1.5 trillion in debt. So the answer is either to stop the selfish and the stupid from voting, or just get on with TB,s mass cull. :)
Btw, Ive been barely living on a day to day basis for the last 9 years, with no prospect of things improving so I don't buy that excuse. ;)
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And that is exactly why we have £1.5 trillion in debt. So the answer is either to stop the selfish and the stupid from voting, or just get on with TB,s mass cull. :)
Btw, Ive been barely living on a day to day basis for the last 9 years, with no prospect of things improving so I don't buy that excuse. ;)
Yes, but you're a martyr, Albs. I've said before, if only we could all be like you. All this talk of stupid voters and mass culls just shows you up for what you are.....clueless. The national debt means nothing to ordinary people, it never has. With children to feed and homes to heat, there are far more pressing matters.
The tories have just found out what happens when you are out of touch with the people, and I would suggest that's what you are.
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Oh.....and this will please Albs....no further cuts to benefits :)
And as always with Socialism, the question is - where will the money come from to pay for it all ?
Easy......just use the £350M we will get back from Brexit every week. :)
Oh, sorry, my mistake. Every penny of that is going to fund the NHS. I suppose we could always use the £60-100 billion we are supposed to pay the EU when we finally leave.
We tell the EU to f*ck off and tell them that they won't get a penny. I'm sure they will understand. :)
Soft BREXIT will ensure continuing contributions to the EU, and probably not much less than what we pay at the moment. ::)
When they demand increases in our contributions we will have no choice but to pay up! >:(
Not that we have a choice anyway, but at least Nigel Farage can get outraged in Parliament, and the PM of the day can bang the table at the Council of Europe and then pay up quietly later. ::)
It seems that the 'No deal is better than a bad deal' mantra has been dropped.... :(
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There are going to be a lot of bitter and twisted people at the end of this debacle. Years of spiteful wrangling over who does what, and probably not a whole lot of difference at the end.
Still...imagine gen diss without it. :)
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There are going to be a lot of bitter and twisted people at the end of this debacle. Years of spiteful wrangling over who does what, and probably not a whole lot of difference at the end.
Still...imagine gen diss without it. :)
My guess is that the difference between 'before' Brexit and 'after' Brexit will be a gaggle of government ministers telling us it is now all done and dusted and the UK has come away with a great deal.
Closer inspection will probably show that we are still paying billions into the EU and people from the EU are still entering the UK in the same numbers as before.
Brexit will be so watered down it will be a case of why did we bother putting the country through all this in the first place. :-\
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And that is exactly why we have £1.5 trillion in debt. So the answer is either to stop the selfish and the stupid from voting, or just get on with TB,s mass cull. :)
Btw, Ive been barely living on a day to day basis for the last 9 years, with no prospect of things improving so I don't buy that excuse. ;)
Yes, but you're a martyr, Albs. I've said before, if only we could all be like you. All this talk of stupid voters and mass culls just shows you up for what you are.....clueless. The national debt means nothing to ordinary people, it never has. With children to feed and homes to heat, there are far more pressing matters.
The tories have just found out what happens when you are out of touch with the people, and I would suggest that's what you are.
I'm not playing the martyr. Theres nothing a despise more than self pitying whingers ,especially if they have a sense of entitlement. If you want to do well in life, work hard at school and work even harder after you leave school. If you don't do that its your fault, no-one elses, and your entitled to fresh air and nothing else. If you cant afford to feed kids, don't fackin have them.
I arsed about at school the whole time I was there. Thats my fault. Why should I be entitled to have as much as people who had more sense and therefore made a better life for themselves ? Common sense tells me I don't, but theres a lot of people who for some reason think they are entitled to just that.
Elections now mostly centre around keeping these people happy unfortunately.
The mass cull reference was a joke, obviously, but I do believe that people who live on benefits, long term, shouldn't have a vote.
The yanks say "no taxation without representation". Imo, it should also apply in reverse.
More people voted for the Tories than all the other parties in Great Britain put together, so there must be a a hell of a lot of people out of touch.
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Cannot argue with any of that ;)
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And that is exactly why we have £1.5 trillion in debt. So the answer is either to stop the selfish and the stupid from voting, or just get on with TB,s mass cull. :)
Btw, Ive been barely living on a day to day basis for the last 9 years, with no prospect of things improving so I don't buy that excuse. ;)
Yes, but you're a martyr, Albs. I've said before, if only we could all be like you. All this talk of stupid voters and mass culls just shows you up for what you are.....clueless. The national debt means nothing to ordinary people, it never has. With children to feed and homes to heat, there are far more pressing matters.
The tories have just found out what happens when you are out of touch with the people, and I would suggest that's what you are.
I'm not playing the martyr. Theres nothing a despise more than self pitying whingers ,especially if they have a sense of entitlement. If you want to do well in life, work hard at school and work even harder after you leave school. If you don't do that its your fault, no-one elses, and your entitled to fresh air and nothing else. If you cant afford to feed kids, don't fackin have them.
I arsed about at school the whole time I was there. Thats my fault. Why should I be entitled to have as much as people who had more sense and therefore made a better life for themselves ? Common sense tells me I don't, but theres a lot of people who for some reason think they are entitled to just that.
Elections now mostly centre around keeping these people happy unfortunately.
The mass cull reference was a joke, obviously, but I do believe that people who live on benefits, long term, shouldn't have a vote.
The yanks say "no taxation without representation". Imo, it should also apply in reverse.
More people voted for the Tories than all the other parties in Great Britain put together, so there must be a a hell of a lot of people out of touch.
That's all very well, Albs, but a sizeable chunk of people who vote disagree wholeheartedly with the whole of that statement, and made that plain enough at the ballot box. If this Tory government makes a fist of it, with or without the DUP, then they will have to rein back on typical conservative policies, and I think that's for the good.
If labour had been the largest party without a minority, they'd have had to take on board a softer approach and that, too, would have been good.
We live with what we have, not what we'd like to have, and I'm happy that the conservatives won but without the mandate to be nasty.
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Looks like Sinn Fein are taking their seats in parliament, that's a turn up for the books !
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Looks like Sinn Fein are taking their seats in parliament, that's a turn up for the books !
:o :o :o :o
If true very interesting.
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Looks like Sinn Fein are taking their seats in parliament, that's a turn up for the books !
Hadn't heard that. No doubt to nullify the majority gained by the conservatives with the DUP. That is not good news, I was kind of hoping for a truce when all the rhetoric died down, can't see that happening now.
If Sinn Fein align themselves against the DUP, then we really do have a hung parliament.
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Looks like Sinn Fein are taking their seats in parliament, that's a turn up for the books !
Hadn't heard that. No doubt to nullify the majority gained by the conservatives with the DUP. That is not good news, I was kind of hoping for a truce when all the rhetoric died down, can't see that happening now.
If Sinn Fein align themselves against the DUP, then we really do have a hung parliament.
They'll be tears before bedtime. :)
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Just had a quick Google. It appears that they will take their seats only to vote against the queens speech, and only if Corbyn will grant them a referendum on a United Ireland.
I have no thoughts on this until I have taken my headache pills. :o
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Just had a quick Google. It appears that they will take their seats only to vote against the queens speech, and only if Corbyn will grant them a referendum on a United Ireland.
I have no thoughts on this until I have taken my headache pills. :o
I think they are saying "we can if we want to"
A warning shot of sorts.
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Just had a quick Google. It appears that they will take their seats only to vote against the queens speech, and only if Corbyn will grant them a referendum on a United Ireland.
I have no thoughts on this until I have taken my headache pills. :o
I think they are saying "we can if we want to"
A warning shot of sorts.
Let's face it, it was never going to work, was it? Surely people didn't expect Sinn Fein to just sit back and accept the DUP cosying up to the government while power sharing talks in NI were ongoing. How can the government be seen to be neutral? Chaos, utter chaos, and such a shame.
John Major thinks the conservatives should try and govern without the DUP. They (DUP) are opposed to almost every labour policy and think JC is the devil reincarnate. They are hardly likely to vote against the government and trigger a vote of no confidence, thus potentially allowing labour to win the ensuing election.
It's a shitstorm and, while all of this is going on, how can we have any meaningful brexit negotiations?
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Yep, I had a feeling that Westminster siding with the DUP would not be as simple a solution to May's dilemma as she presented. ::)
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Just had a quick Google. It appears that they will take their seats only to vote against the queens speech, and only if Corbyn will grant them a referendum on a United Ireland.
I have no thoughts on this until I have taken my headache pills. :o
I think they are saying "we can if we want to"
A warning shot of sorts.
Let's face it, it was never going to work, was it? Surely people didn't expect Sinn Fein to just sit back and accept the DUP cosying up to the government while power sharing talks in NI were ongoing. How can the government be seen to be neutral? Chaos, utter chaos, and such a shame.
John Major thinks the conservatives should try and govern without the DUP. They (DUP) are opposed to almost every labour policy and think JC is the devil reincarnate. They are hardly likely to vote against the government and trigger a vote of no confidence, thus potentially allowing labour to win the ensuing election.
It's a shitstorm and, while all of this is going on, how can we have any meaningful brexit negotiations?
Yes. I broadly agree. A total cluster f*ck by Cameron and May.
As you rightly say, SF and the DUP are never going to be 'bezzie mates', are they. :-\
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So, to summarise, Camoron rogered our relationship with Europe to cling on to power, and May is looking set to destabilise Northern Ireland in an attempt to do the same. ::)
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So, to summarise, Camoron rogered our relationship with Europe to cling on to power, and May is looking set to destabilise Northern Ireland in an attempt to do the same. ::)
Sounds about right. :)
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It looks like Sinn Fein aren't actually taking their seats after all, that's just something the S*n wrote. What they are doing is flying to Westminster, taking up their parliamentary offices, claiming expenses and doubtless making themselves visible. I think the Americans term it parking tanks on the lawn. I suppose
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/general-election/sinn-fein-say-they-will-not-take-up-westminster-seats-1-4474095 (http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/general-election/sinn-fein-say-they-will-not-take-up-westminster-seats-1-4474095)
It is notable that one of the things the DUP are supposedly asking for is for Sinn Fein's American Irish funding stream curtailed. I bet that went down well :o
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From that article:
The Sun reported the party have not ruled out taking their seats for the first time in order to vote through a Labour Queen’s Speech if Jeremy Corbyn offered them a referendum on unifying Ireland
Read more at: http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/general-election/sinn-fein-say-they-will-not-take-up-westminster-seats-1-4474095
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Looking back, I don't think DC should have quit. Yes he went for the remain side, but at the end of the day he is elected to do what we say? (queue comments here ;D)
So he should have just taken it on the chin. Stated that you, the public, chose this route and I will do my best for the country and got on with the job.
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In order to take a seat in Parliament you need to swear an oath of allegiance to the crown. Sinn Fein have stated many times that they will never do this, and Gerry Adams reaffirmed this last week.
If they were to swear the oath of allegiance, theres a pretty good chance they wouldn't live long enough to go back to take part in any of the voting.
They have been claiming all he expenses they can get for years by pulling this scam with their offices. Its nothing new. ;)
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In order to take a seat in Parliament you need to swear an oath of allegiance to the crown. Sinn Fein have stated many times that they will never do this, and Gerry Adams reaffirmed this last week.
If they were to swear the oath of allegiance, theres a pretty good chance they wouldn't live long enough to go back to take part in any of the voting.
They have been claiming all he expenses they can get for years by pulling this scam with their offices. Its nothing new. ;)
Aha! Bluff and bluster then. Thank god.
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If they had a referendum on a United Ireland, they would lose it - again, and they know it. This would wound their credibility, so I don't see why they would want one until such time as they think they have a decent chance of winning it. :-\
They may be evil incarnate, but they aren't stupid. Adams in particular is a pretty shrewd operator.
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However pissed they might be at the coalition, they can say nothing... as one of their more articulate members said yesterday, Sinn Fein have practically written the book on dodgy deals to get their own way. Now that they're respectable (sic) public officers, they have to accept it or be branded untrustworthy hypocrites ::)
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The last survey I saw where people were asked how they would vote again if there was a new referendum tomorrow, over 60% who said they would vote, would vote to leave. The most common reason for changing their mind from originally playing safe and voting remain, due to project fear. As that didn't happen they would now vote to leave. :y
Strange, as surveys I've seen are about 65% now in favour of remaining. Anecdotal evidence of brexit voters I've spoken to shows a fair proportion now having a change of mind that the reality of the cost, both to country and personally, are starting to ring true.
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A song for the moment (https://youtu.be/SBjORE4I-qU)
Although this... Is perhaps more appropriate...? (https://youtu.be/0OLWgrr671g)
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Be clear and not complacent. If there was a general election today, Corbyn would be in No10 very soon. Like it or hate it, if you dispute this, then you live in cuckoo land. I don't agree with Corbyn or his brand of socialism, but I am in no doubt about this. He would win the social media and popular vote. Theresa May comes across as detached, unconnected, and uncaring. I still think that she would be better for the country as a whole, but I am not the electorate.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-40394095
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Agreed. :(
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Apologies, but I need to call bullshit...
Afterall, elections are NOT decided on Facebook/Twitter etc, but at the Ballot box... Regardless of what the BBC agenda police et al would wish you to believe :-X
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Apologies, but I need to call bullshit...
Afterall, elections are NOT decided on Facebook/Twitter etc, but at the Ballot box... Regardless of what the BBC agenda police et al would wish you to believe :-X
No but peoples opinions are increasingly being influenced by what they see and read on Facebook/Twitter etc before they head to the ballot box. ;)
Like it or not, it's where the future battles for peoples votes will be played out and the Corbynistas/Momentum/AnotherAngryVoice etc are streets ahead of the rest in promoting their agenda on social media. :(
And I don't believe it's bullshit to say that if May's government falls, then JC will be our next PM! ::)
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Reports of possible large scale electoral fraud last time are worrying. An online campaign aimed at universities made students very aware that they could easily cast their vote twice, once at Uni and then again at home. It isn't clear how much affect this had, but the useless electoral commission has been asked to investigate the matter. I wont hold my breath though.
It took them donkeys years to do anything about the peoples republic of Tower Hamlets. Despite the fact that the world and his uncle knew there was large scale electoral fraud going on there, and elsewhere.
Tories, Labour and Libdems completely ignoring electoral spending limits was a similar story.
Labour won quite a few of their seats with very small majorities. Many Labour candidates used the sales tactic "don't worry, Corbyn will never become PM, but if you vote for me I will be a good old fashioned Labour MP for my constituents."
This gives hope that he wouldn't make it, but on the other hand, he is becoming a real cult figure. Like a British Che Guevara or something. Its both bizarre and sickening to watch.
Its understandable, up to a point, with young people, but theres really no excuse for it with grown adults.
If the Tories ever win a thumping majority again they should introduce a law that a person cant vote until they have paid a minimum of 5 consecutive years of income tax. That would go a long way towards solving this kind of problem.
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Reports of possible large scale electoral fraud last time are worrying. An online campaign aimed at universities made students very aware that they could easily cast their vote twice, once at Uni and then again at home. It isn't clear how much affect this had, but the useless electoral commission has been asked to investigate the matter. I wont hold my breath though.
It took them donkeys years to do anything about the peoples republic of Tower Hamlets. Despite the fact that the world and his uncle knew there was large scale electoral fraud going on there, and elsewhere.
Tories, Labour and Libdems completely ignoring electoral spending limits was a similar story.
Labour won quite a few of their seats with very small majorities. Many Labour candidates used the sales tactic "don't worry, Corbyn will never become PM, but if you vote for me I will be a good old fashioned Labour MP for my constituents."
This gives hope that he wouldn't make it, but on the other hand, he is becoming a real cult figure. Like a British Che Guevara or something. Its both bizarre and sickening to watch.
Its understandable, up to a point, with young people, but theres really no excuse for it with grown adults.
If the Tories ever win a thumping majority again they should introduce a law that a person cant vote until they have paid a minimum of 5 consecutive years of income tax. That would go a long way towards solving this kind of problem.
Once again..... ;D ;D ;D ;D
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If the Tories ever win a thumping majority again they should introduce a law that a person cant vote until they have paid a minimum of 5 consecutive years of income tax. That would go a long way towards solving this kind of problem.
While we're at it lets take the vote away from women and those who don't own property. In fact lets disenfranchise about 80% of the population and only let white indigenous property owning males over the age of 40 vote. Or we could invent a time machine and turn the clock back to 1817? ::) ;D
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Apologies, but I need to call bullshit...
Afterall, elections are NOT decided on Facebook/Twitter etc, but at the Ballot box... Regardless of what the BBC agenda police et al would wish you to believe :-X
Six months ago I would have agreed with you, but this belief is exactly why Corbyn did rather well and Theresa May did rather badly. During the election and for some time after my facebook page was bombarded with Corbyn stuff, "suggested" groups and whole load of other crap. I have no idea why >:(
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My faceache page didn't have all of this stuff. Oh, wait, I don't have a faceache page.
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If the Tories ever win a thumping majority again they should introduce a law that a person cant vote until they have paid a minimum of 5 consecutive years of income tax. That would go a long way towards solving this kind of problem.
While we're at it lets take the vote away from women and those who don't own property. In fact lets disenfranchise about 80% of the population and only let white indigenous property owning males over the age of 40 vote. Or we could invent a time machine and turn the clock back to 1817? ::) ;D
If only these people, who accuse the left of being extreme, could hear themselves. It's bitterness and hatred bordering on hysteria.
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Oh...and as for breaching election rules....again..
Tories deny using Neath call centre to breach election law
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-40378185
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Apologies, but I need to call bullshit...
Afterall, elections are NOT decided on Facebook/Twitter etc, but at the Ballot box... Regardless of what the BBC agenda police et al would wish you to believe :-X
Six months ago I would have agreed with you, but this belief is exactly why Corbyn did rather well and Theresa May did rather badly. During the election and for some time after my facebook page was bombarded with Corbyn stuff, "suggested" groups and whole load of other crap. I have no idea why >:(
Same here. It seems that a few of my friends on Facebook are Corbynistas who shared loads of stuff and often reacted very badly if challenged. ::)
I think it's getting to the point that people just ignore it rather than face the inevitable abuse, and thus the old saying 'Tell a lie often enough..... ' becomes fact. >:(
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Apologies, but I need to call bullshit...
Afterall, elections are NOT decided on Facebook/Twitter etc, but at the Ballot box... Regardless of what the BBC agenda police et al would wish you to believe :-X
Six months ago I would have agreed with you, but this belief is exactly why Corbyn did rather well and Theresa May did rather badly. During the election and for some time after my facebook page was bombarded with Corbyn stuff, "suggested" groups and whole load of other crap. I have no idea why >:(
Same here. It seems that a few of my friends on Facebook are Corbynistas who shared loads of stuff and often reacted very badly if challenged. ::)
I think it's getting to the point that people just ignore it rather than face the inevitable abuse, and thus the old saying 'Tell a lie often enough..... ' becomes fact. >:(
Abuse if you disagree with the socialists, ridicule if you disagree with the tories and dismissed as a liberal if you go down the middle.
Hasn't it always been like this?
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If only these people, who accuse the left of being extreme, could hear themselves. It's bitterness and hatred bordering on hysteria.
That's extremism on both sides of the argument to be honest..... ::)
Abuse if you disagree with the socialists, ridicule if you disagree with the tories and dismissed as a liberal if you go down the middle.
Hasn't it always been like this?
Yes but social media, Facebook, Twitter, OOF etc has given people a platform to promote their views, and with little or no regulation the 'Keyboard Warriors' have a free hand to dish out the abuse to any who disagree. :( This didn't happen before, the people just believed what they read in the Sun or Mirror and maybe had a argument down the pub. ;)
I don't have a problem with people sharing their beliefs, dreams and hopes online, after all we live in a free country. What I do have a problem with is the often nasty reaction if you challenge or disagree with them. ;)
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If only these people, who accuse the left of being extreme, could hear themselves. It's bitterness and hatred bordering on hysteria.
That's extremism on both sides of the argument to be honest..... ::)
Abuse if you disagree with the socialists, ridicule if you disagree with the tories and dismissed as a liberal if you go down the middle.
Hasn't it always been like this?
Yes but social media, Facebook, Twitter, OOF etc has given people a platform to promote their views, and with little or no regulation the 'Keyboard Warriors' have a free hand to dish out the abuse to any who disagree. :( This didn't happen before, the people just believed what they read in the Sun or Mirror and maybe had a argument down the pub. ;)
I don't have a problem with people sharing their beliefs, dreams and hopes online, after all we live in a free country. What I do have a problem with is the often nasty reaction if you challenge or disagree with them. ;)
That's fair enough, but you're not obliged to get involved. You can just avoid all the shite, go down the polling station and make your mark.
My mind was made up from the day the election was announced, and nothing that I saw or read made any difference.
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That's fair enough, but you're not obliged to get involved. You can just avoid all the shite, go down the polling station and make your mark.
My mind was made up from the day the election was announced, and nothing that I saw or read made any difference.
Yes, but sometimes I can't help myself, especially if the shite is obviously shite! ;D
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My faceache page didn't have all of this stuff. Oh, wait, I don't have a faceache page.
Ditto... ;D
Perhaps this is why I find the whole notion so very peculiar :-\
Mr Corbyn needs to have a nasty accident in the not so distant future... either that or social media needs censoring/shutting down.
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Apologies, but I need to call bullshit...
Afterall, elections are NOT decided on Facebook/Twitter etc, but at the Ballot box... Regardless of what the BBC agenda police et al would wish you to believe :-X
Six months ago I would have agreed with you, but this belief is exactly why Corbyn did rather well and Theresa May did rather badly. During the election and for some time after my facebook page was bombarded with Corbyn stuff, "suggested" groups and whole load of other crap. I have no idea why >:(
it's a travesty when one party gets its finger out and actually works at something that's effective, and the other is so complacent they barely bother to campaign and lose what ought to be have been a sure thing.
Perhaps we should misapply a bunch of labels in the hope of being insulting?
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And one party spent (I think) £2000 on social media and the other over a £million.
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In other news it's emerging that the food vendors at Glastonbury Festival are in uproar after Jeremy Corbyn fed the crowds with 5 loaves and 2 fish! :)
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Contrary to populist media hype, the Conservatives didn't lose, and Labour didn't win. They (being Labour), and us (the royal us) would do well to remember that and get on with the task in hand... ie securing our future outside the EU rather than constantly trying to undermine the process of government at every turn.
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In other news it's emerging that the food vendors at Glastonbury Festival are in uproar after Jeremy Corbyn fed the crowds with 5 loaves and 2 fish! :)
That wouldn't be that hard actually. They survive the festival on copious amounts of drugs and alcohol, and only realise they're hungry when they get home. ;D
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In other news it's emerging that the food vendors at Glastonbury Festival are in uproar after Jeremy Corbyn fed the crowds with 5 loaves and 2 fish! :)
Excellent news. If he keeps that up, we can nail him to a cross and be home in time for Christmas.
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Apologies, but I need to call bullshit...
Afterall, elections are NOT decided on Facebook/Twitter etc, but at the Ballot box... Regardless of what the BBC agenda police et al would wish you to believe :-X
Six months ago I would have agreed with you, but this belief is exactly why Corbyn did rather well and Theresa May did rather badly. During the election and for some time after my facebook page was bombarded with Corbyn stuff, "suggested" groups and whole load of other crap. I have no idea why >:(
it's a travesty when one party gets its finger out and actually works at something that's effective, and the other is so complacent they barely bother to campaign and lose what ought to be have been a sure thing.
Perhaps we should misapply a bunch of labels in the hope of being insulting?
That's exactly what happened, and everyone grossly underestimated the power of using social media.
Agree or disagree, like or hate it, it is a real power. Even smaller businesses now often do not have websites, they just use Facebook, Instagram, or Twitter. I like to see live music, a local venue no longer updates it's website, if I want to know who's playing I have to use Facebook. Same with a local restaurant if I want to see the new menu or special offers etc.
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Contrary to populist media hype, the Conservatives didn't lose, and Labour didn't win. They (being Labour), and us (the royal us) would do well to remember that and get on with the task in hand... ie securing our future outside the EU rather than constantly trying to undermine the process of government at every turn.
Yes. As long as Theresa does as she's told by the DUP and her back benchers, there should be no problem in getting an an agreement that everybody will endorse.
In your fickin dreams.
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In other news it's emerging that the food vendors at Glastonbury Festival are in uproar after Jeremy Corbyn fed the crowds with 5 loaves and 2 fish! :)
;D ;D ;D
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Apologies, but I need to call bullshit...
Afterall, elections are NOT decided on Facebook/Twitter etc, but at the Ballot box... Regardless of what the BBC agenda police et al would wish you to believe :-X
Six months ago I would have agreed with you, but this belief is exactly why Corbyn did rather well and Theresa May did rather badly. During the election and for some time after my facebook page was bombarded with Corbyn stuff, "suggested" groups and whole load of other crap. I have no idea why >:(
it's a travesty when one party gets its finger out and actually works at something that's effective, and the other is so complacent they barely bother to campaign and lose what ought to be have been a sure thing.
Perhaps we should misapply a bunch of labels in the hope of being insulting?
That's exactly what happened, and everyone grossly underestimated the power of using social media.
Agree or disagree, like or hate it, it is a real power. Even smaller businesses now often do not have websites, they just use Facebook, Instagram, or Twitter. I like to see live music, a local venue no longer updates it's website, if I want to know who's playing I have to use Facebook. Same with a local restaurant if I want to see the new menu or special offers etc.
You can view someone's facebook page without joining.
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Six months ago I would have agreed with you, but this belief is exactly why Corbyn did rather well and Theresa May did rather badly. During the election and for some time after my facebook page was bombarded with Corbyn stuff, "suggested" groups and whole load of other crap. I have no idea why >:(
it's a travesty when one party gets its finger out and actually works at something that's effective, and the other is so complacent they barely bother to campaign and lose what ought to be have been a sure thing.
Perhaps we should misapply a bunch of labels in the hope of being insulting?
I used travesty sarcastically by the way.
Campaigning used to take hours every night knocking on doors in your ward, trying to convince the don't knows/undecided/floating voters to turn out for you. Even my father, who doesn't own a computer or mobile phone, would jump at the chance of successfully doing that work from the comfort of his armchair/party headquarters.
As I've said before, Corbyn's appeal is to the traditional Labour heartland who always did the real campaigning - why is it such a surprise that they learnt their lessons from the EU referendum and changed tactics?
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Six months ago I would have agreed with you, but this belief is exactly why Corbyn did rather well and Theresa May did rather badly. During the election and for some time after my facebook page was bombarded with Corbyn stuff, "suggested" groups and whole load of other crap. I have no idea why >:(
it's a travesty when one party gets its finger out and actually works at something that's effective, and the other is so complacent they barely bother to campaign and lose what ought to be have been a sure thing.
Perhaps we should misapply a bunch of labels in the hope of being insulting?
I used travesty sarcastically by the way.
Campaigning used to take hours every night knocking on doors in your ward, trying to convince the don't knows/undecided/floating voters to turn out for you. Even my father, who doesn't own a computer or mobile phone, would jump at the chance of successfully doing that work from the comfort of his armchair/party headquarters.
As I've said before, Corbyn's appeal is to the traditional Labour heartland who always did the real campaigning - why is it such a surprise that they learnt their lessons from the EU referendum and changed tactics?
There have of course been two bouts of elections recently, local council and the General. I've had loads of people knocking on my door, and all but one were bloody useless. I'm not referring to their politics or policies, but the fact that they just handed out some crappy leaflet and made no attempt to engage or discuss or persuade. Useless, the parties need to use double glazing sales people or something.
By the way, the only one that asked my me views and explained his, was an Independent in the local elections, and yes he got my vote. :y