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Title: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Rangie on 08 December 2021, 07:39:40
Oh dear..  🎄🎄🎄
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: STEMO on 08 December 2021, 11:18:52
What a bunch of tossers, they're like a gang of naughty schoolchildren. I'd like to think there will be a comeback, but they just seem to shrug it off. Politics in this country is in a dire state.
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Rangie on 08 December 2021, 11:27:31
What a bunch of tossers, they're like a gang of naughty schoolchildren. I'd like to think there will be a comeback, but they just seem to shrug it off. Politics in this country is in a dire state.


Exactly what I said to my missus this morning, behaviour you would expect from teenagers, rumours emerging that a Police Officer on duty reported it give him promotion .
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 08 December 2021, 11:34:58
Yes, why o why don't they just admit to having a good piss up get to together with people they are already working closely with on a day by day, minute by minute basis?

Of course there was a lock down, and restrictions on groups of people travelling and getting together, but, correct me if I am wrong, these people were already on site so just enjoyed themselves as work colleagues do.  But, of course it would have been totally out of order if any of them had traveled in to No.10 specially when they would not have normally been working there that day.

I bet many "get togethers" happened with groups of workers in Head Offices up and down the country when they were already there on that day. ::) ::) ::)

But, of course all this is just politics at work concentrating on something that has been and gone instead of all the currently very serious issues that should be under the spotlight by the so called "opposition"! ::) ::) :(
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: STEMO on 08 December 2021, 11:41:40
It is one of many middle fingers this government in general, and Boris Johnson in particular, have flicked at the oiks who voted them in. We really need a third party. Not Lib Dems or Greens, a proper middle of the road party. In this country we are still in a position of voting in the least worse, and that can't be right.
With regards to the buffoon, he has served his purpose (Brexit) and should go.
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Rangie on 08 December 2021, 11:50:25
I just find it simply amazing that with all the daft things that have been reported over the last few years, that they really thought that this "breach" would go unnoticed.
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 December 2021, 13:03:19
There is talk that Boris will be gone sooner rather than later.

He is inept.

Doesn't mean I'd vote for Starmer though. He is even more out of touch with reality. :-X

Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 08 December 2021, 13:53:35
I find it incredible that news of this party has taken a year to emerge.  :-\

Just when there are by elections going on as well.  :-X
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 December 2021, 17:11:38
Allegra Stratton has fallen on her sword.
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: STEMO on 08 December 2021, 17:19:59
Allegra Stratton has fallen on her sword.
Did she used to be a news reporter on BBC or ITV? Hard to forget a name like that.
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: STEMO on 08 December 2021, 17:21:21
Just had a Google......Newsnight.
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 08 December 2021, 17:22:01
Allegra Stratton has fallen on her sword.
Did she used to be a news reporter on BBC or ITV? Hard to forget a name like that.

She used to be a co-presenter on Robert Peston's ITV programme.

She'll be fine. Once the dust has settled she'll be offered a nice little job as Director of Communications at some think tank or NGO or something like that.  :y

The public humiliation might take a while to get over though...  ::)
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 08 December 2021, 17:37:50
Meanwhile in Finland, their 36 year old PM went out clubbing (maskless!) till 4am, left her work phone at home and missed the text instructing her to quarantine!  ;D
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 December 2021, 17:42:31
Meanwhile in Finland, their 36 year old PM went out clubbing (maskless!) till 4am, left her work phone at home and missed the text instructing her to quarantine!  ;D

A woman in charge. Surely this can't be correct. :)
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: STEMO on 08 December 2021, 17:43:20
Meanwhile in Finland, their 36 year old PM went out clubbing (maskless!) till 4am, left her work phone at home and missed the text instructing her to quarantine!  ;D
I'm going to forgive her.......a blow job would suffice if she wants to thank me  ;D
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 December 2021, 17:45:00
Meanwhile in Finland, their 36 year old PM went out clubbing (maskless!) till 4am, left her work phone at home and missed the text instructing her to quarantine!  ;D
I'm going to forgive her.......a blow job would suffice if she wants to thank me  ;D

Yes....I've just had a google. :-* :-* :-*

I'd rather spend 'intimate' time with her than Theresa May......or Maggie. ;D
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 08 December 2021, 17:49:27

Meanwhile in Finland, their 36 year old PM went out clubbing (maskless!) till 4am, left her work phone at home and missed the text instructing her to quarantine!  ;D
I'm going to forgive her.......a blow job would suffice if she wants to thank me  ;D


(https://i.postimg.cc/qMhnrCqJ/Sanna-Marin-M-7403-08.jpg)

Yes Uncle STEMO, I'm sure she'll be down on her knees begging forgiveness.  ;D

Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 December 2021, 17:52:27
Why don't we get a female PM who looks like that. :-\ :-X
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 08 December 2021, 17:54:05
Why don't we get a female PM who looks like that. :-\ :-X

Well we could!  :y

Any candidates in mind M'lud?  ???
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 08 December 2021, 17:56:19
Why don't we get a female PM who looks like that. :-\ :-X

Well we could!  :y

Any candidates in mind M'lud?  ???

Sadly Ann Widdecombe is no longer an MP. ::) ::)

Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 08 December 2021, 18:16:48
Allegra Stratton has fallen on her sword.

Yes, and she has done the right thing as her "jokey" video has just made this all far worse, especially for those we are now hearing about who lost loved ones at the time and could not have relatives join them in their grief.  Disgusting in the extreme. >:(

Contrary to my post #3 in this thread, I now believe Boris has allowed this to go all too far when he could have calmed the waters by apologizing for whatever went on and taking action against those responsible.  As usual his bumbling, clumsy, arrogant toff style has allowed this to happen.

I am a Tory, but this should mean he goes as soon as possible.  There have just been too many mistakes made for any political leader to make without paying 'the price'!! :( :( :(
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 08 December 2021, 19:16:43
Anyone wanna go to this years do?  ;D

(https://i.postimg.cc/nL4WdvLR/No10rave.jpg)
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 08 December 2021, 21:33:16
This wont finish Boris off. He will probably  sacrifice a few uncivil servants, half way down the food chain who are doing non jobs anyway.
It will damage him though. Its the drip drip effect. I doubt that he is in it for the long term anyway so might not be that bothered..
It is disgraceful though.
These are the people who made the rules that meant the 600 people who died of Covid that day, had to die alone, and probably terrified.
Their families suffered not being able to be with them and say goodbye to them, or indeed give them the funeral they would have chosen.
These people (50 of them apparently) had a piss up and then found it hilarious in their practice press conference afterwards.
Out of touch and entitled doesnt begin to cover it.  >:(
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: TheBoy on 09 December 2021, 12:18:18
Allegra Stratton has fallen on her sword.
Do you wish she had fallen on your "sword"?
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: TheBoy on 09 December 2021, 12:20:41
To me, it sounded like it was an embarrassed laugh, rather than a "it was funny".  Probably embarrassed as she knew that she was unable to excuse the unexcusable.

Probably harsh she had to go, as ultimately it should be those that allegedly broke the rules that should go.  But the media had already painted it as she found it a bit of a lark.
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 09 December 2021, 12:58:17
Allegra Stratton has fallen on her sword.
Do you wish she had fallen on your "sword"?

I don't find her overly attractive......maybe after 10 pints of 6% Wifebeater. :) ;)
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 09 December 2021, 18:23:23
Now TWO other Christmas parties at number 10 /  in Governments Dept's, are being investigated!!

The Conservatory Party have today been fined £18,000 over the renovations Boris carried out in his No. 10 Flat!!

This is all going the wrong way for bumbling Boris!! >:( >:(
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 09 December 2021, 18:34:51
...............now it being said a total of FIVE parties are being investigated!!! >:( >:( >:(

This is becoming an absolutely political disaster for Boris! >:( >:(
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Rangie on 09 December 2021, 18:42:35
To top it all the bumbling buffoon & his missus have just produced another sprog, another party on the way no doubt ..😂
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 09 December 2021, 18:46:54
To top it all the bumbling buffoon & his missus have just produced another sprog, another party on the way no doubt ..😂

 ;D ;D ;)

............and I reckon now it is well on the cards for him to go on long term maternity leave after doing an Anthony Eden! ::) ::) ;)
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 10 December 2021, 16:08:24
To top it all the bumbling buffoon & his missus have just produced another sprog, another party on the way no doubt ..😂

 ;D ;D ;)

............and I reckon now it is well on the cards for him to go on long term maternity leave after doing an Anthony Eden! ::) ::) ;)

Should that be 'paternity'?
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: STEMO on 10 December 2021, 16:43:57
To top it all the bumbling buffoon & his missus have just produced another sprog, another party on the way no doubt ..😂

 ;D ;D ;)

............and I reckon now it is well on the cards for him to go on long term maternity leave after doing an Anthony Eden! ::) ::) ;)

Should that be 'paternity'?
You never learn, do you? It will be whatever he they want it to be. Neutrality leave has a certain ring to it.
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: STEMO on 10 December 2021, 16:49:03
And another thing; Boris and Carrie seem to have decided their offspring is female. Surely that's up to the baby?
From now on we must say that a child has been born, it's sexual preference will be be announced at a later date.
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 10 December 2021, 17:16:49
And another thing; Boris and Carrie seem to have decided their offspring is female. Surely that's up to the baby?
From now on we must say that a child has been born, it's sexual preference will be be announced at a later date.

Transphobic bastards.

Some woke cretin made this very point to Usain Bolt when his wife/girlfriend pushed out a pair of twins. They selfishly decided to go with the sex and gender the kids were born with. ::)



Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Nick W on 10 December 2021, 17:17:02
And another thing; Boris and Carrie seem to have decided their offspring is female. Surely that's up to the baby?
From now on we must say that a child has been born, it's sexual preference will be be announced at a later date.


You're confusing sexual identity and preference. Two very different things.
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 10 December 2021, 17:19:14
Given that we can now self identify as what ever gender we feel like,  if my partner popped out a sprog could I identify as a woman and claim maternity leave as opposed to paternity leave?  ???

I'm thinking about the financial benefits rather than the benefits of wearing a dress and some lippy to be clear.  :)
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 10 December 2021, 17:19:19
And another thing; Boris and Carrie seem to have decided their offspring is female. Surely that's up to the baby?
From now on we must say that a child has been born, it's sexual preference will be be announced at a later date.


You're confusing sexual identity and preference. Two very different things.

You keep saying this, Nick.

But for 99.9% of people they are a matching pair.
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 10 December 2021, 17:20:25
Given that we can now self identify as what ever gender we feel like,  if my partner popped out a sprog could I identify as a woman and claim maternity leave as opposed to paternity leave?  ???

I'm thinking about the financial benefits rather than the benefits of wearing a dress and some lippy to be clear. :)

If you say so. ::) ::) ::) :D
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 10 December 2021, 17:23:06
Given that we can now self identify as what ever gender we feel like,  if my partner popped out a sprog could I identify as a woman and claim maternity leave as opposed to paternity leave?  ???

I'm thinking about the financial benefits rather than the benefits of wearing a dress and some lippy to be clear. :)

If you say so. ::) ::) ::) :D

In my yoot, I always used to go to fancy dress parties in drag.  The girls loved it and couldn't keep their hands off me!  :y
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 10 December 2021, 17:27:06
Given that we can now self identify as what ever gender we feel like,  if my partner popped out a sprog could I identify as a woman and claim maternity leave as opposed to paternity leave?  ???

I'm thinking about the financial benefits rather than the benefits of wearing a dress and some lippy to be clear. :)

If you say so. ::) ::) ::) :D

In my yoot, I always used to go to fancy dress parties in drag.  The girls loved it and couldn't keep their hands off me!  :y

So a fella in drag driving a Marina Coupe leads the way to unlimited pussy. :y

Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Nick W on 10 December 2021, 17:28:37
And another thing; Boris and Carrie seem to have decided their offspring is female. Surely that's up to the baby?
From now on we must say that a child has been born, it's sexual preference will be be announced at a later date.


You're confusing sexual identity and preference. Two very different things.

You keep saying this, Nick.

But for 99.9% of people they are a matching pair.


Ignorance is no defence. Never has been.
Unfortunately, it mixes well with stupidity.
Garnish that mixture with truculence and you have a powerful, but useless combination
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 10 December 2021, 17:33:22
Given that we can now self identify as what ever gender we feel like,  if my partner popped out a sprog could I identify as a woman and claim maternity leave as opposed to paternity leave?  ???

I'm thinking about the financial benefits rather than the benefits of wearing a dress and some lippy to be clear. :)

If you say so. ::) ::) ::) :D

In my yoot, I always used to go to fancy dress parties in drag.  The girls loved it and couldn't keep their hands off me!  :y

So a fella in drag driving a Marina Coupe leads the way to unlimited pussy. :y

I drew the line at high heels.... and thongs.  :)
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 10 December 2021, 17:44:23
And another thing; Boris and Carrie seem to have decided their offspring is female. Surely that's up to the baby?
From now on we must say that a child has been born, it's sexual preference will be be announced at a later date.


You're confusing sexual identity and preference. Two very different things.

You keep saying this, Nick.

But for 99.9% of people they are a matching pair.


Ignorance is no defence. Never has been.
Unfortunately, it mixes well with stupidity.
Garnish that mixture with truculence and you have a powerful, but useless combination


As a matter of interest what proportion of people in the UK do you think were 'born in the wrong body'?
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 10 December 2021, 17:49:40
And another thing; Boris and Carrie seem to have decided their offspring is female. Surely that's up to the baby?
From now on we must say that a child has been born, it's sexual preference will be be announced at a later date.


You're confusing sexual identity and preference. Two very different things.

You keep saying this, Nick.

But for 99.9% of people they are a matching pair.


Ignorance is no defence. Never has been.
Unfortunately, it mixes well with stupidity.
Garnish that mixture with truculence and you have a powerful, but useless combination


As a matter of interest what proportion of people in the UK do you think were 'born in the wrong body'?

With a bit of reluctance I will just give a brief answer:  up to one in 5,000 is one of the latest estimates, but many just suffer in silence until death, either deliberate, accidental or because they cannot face the ignorant abuse they get if they "come out". ;)
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 10 December 2021, 17:51:56
Given that we can now self identify as what ever gender we feel like,  if my partner popped out a sprog could I identify as a woman and claim maternity leave as opposed to paternity leave?  ???

I'm thinking about the financial benefits rather than the benefits of wearing a dress and some lippy to be clear.  :)

I see no reason why you couldn't claim for both. :y :y
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: STEMO on 10 December 2021, 18:13:23
And another thing; Boris and Carrie seem to have decided their offspring is female. Surely that's up to the baby?
From now on we must say that a child has been born, it's sexual preference will be be announced at a later date.


You're confusing sexual identity and preference. Two very different things.

You keep saying this, Nick.

But for 99.9% of people they are a matching pair.


Ignorance is no defence. Never has been.
Unfortunately, it mixes well with stupidity.
Garnish that mixture with truculence and you have a powerful, but useless combination
I'm neither ignorant nor stupid, Nick, but if I feel like having a laugh at someone's else's expense, I will do.  I find the way this particular issue has been brought to the fore slightly comedic and, as with other, similar, issues, I'll take the piss if I want to.
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: STEMO on 10 December 2021, 18:18:06
There's no hate in it, you understand, just humour.....of a kind.
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 10 December 2021, 18:25:49
And another thing; Boris and Carrie seem to have decided their offspring is female. Surely that's up to the baby?
From now on we must say that a child has been born, it's sexual preference will be be announced at a later date.


You're confusing sexual identity and preference. Two very different things.

You keep saying this, Nick.

But for 99.9% of people they are a matching pair.


Ignorance is no defence. Never has been.
Unfortunately, it mixes well with stupidity.
Garnish that mixture with truculence and you have a powerful, but useless combination


As a matter of interest what proportion of people in the UK do you think were 'born in the wrong body'?

With a bit of reluctance I will just give a brief answer: up to one in 5,000 is one of the latest estimates, but many just suffer in silence until death, either deliberate, accidental or because they cannot face the ignorant abuse they get if they "come out". ;)

This amounts to just 0.02% Lizzie meaning 99.98% feel they were born in the right body.

People can identify as they like but for obvious reasons Trans women should not be allowed to compete in women's sport, and should not be allowed into private 'women only' spaces.
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: dave the builder on 10 December 2021, 20:06:12
Didn't everyone get the MEMO on this  :-\

*IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT*
During my most recent Facebook "holiday" it seems the prickly (see what I did there) question of "Gender' has re-appeared. So, we'll do this one more time.
Stand in front of a full-length mirror.
Remove crackers and meatphones (if required).
EEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNND ...
If you have:
Tits and fanny - you are a BIRD.
No tits, dick and balls - GEEZER.
No tits - but a fanny - STILL A BIRD.
Man-tits/shrivelled ballsack/small schlong - OLD GEEZER.
Tits, dick, fanny and NO balls - A NIGHT IN VEGAS.
No tits, no fanny, no ballsack, no dick - THE MAN WHO FELL TO EARTH.
You're welcome,
Dr. Boots.
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 10 December 2021, 20:18:34
And another thing; Boris and Carrie seem to have decided their offspring is female. Surely that's up to the baby?
From now on we must say that a child has been born, it's sexual preference will be be announced at a later date.


You're confusing sexual identity and preference. Two very different things.

You keep saying this, Nick.

But for 99.9% of people they are a matching pair.


Ignorance is no defence. Never has been.
Unfortunately, it mixes well with stupidity.
Garnish that mixture with truculence and you have a powerful, but useless combination


As a matter of interest what proportion of people in the UK do you think were 'born in the wrong body'?

With a bit of reluctance I will just give a brief answer: up to one in 5,000 is one of the latest estimates, but many just suffer in silence until death, either deliberate, accidental or because they cannot face the ignorant abuse they get if they "come out". ;)

This amounts to just 0.02% Lizzie meaning 99.98% feel they were born in the right body.

People can identify as they like but for obvious reasons Trans women should not be allowed to compete in women's sport, and should not be allowed into private 'women only' spaces.

Once again you are relating to percentages to demean the plight of the trans community. In fact we could be talking up to 650,000 individuals in just the UK’s population, but of course they do not matter to someone like you.

As for your other comments it is clear you have taken no notice of the facts I have highlighted in all my posts on this subject, so as your opinions matter not to me I will say no more before we go in circles again. ;)
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 10 December 2021, 20:43:11
And another thing; Boris and Carrie seem to have decided their offspring is female. Surely that's up to the baby?
From now on we must say that a child has been born, it's sexual preference will be be announced at a later date.


You're confusing sexual identity and preference. Two very different things.

You keep saying this, Nick.

But for 99.9% of people they are a matching pair.


Ignorance is no defence. Never has been.
Unfortunately, it mixes well with stupidity.
Garnish that mixture with truculence and you have a powerful, but useless combination


As a matter of interest what proportion of people in the UK do you think were 'born in the wrong body'?

With a bit of reluctance I will just give a brief answer: up to one in 5,000 is one of the latest estimates, but many just suffer in silence until death, either deliberate, accidental or because they cannot face the ignorant abuse they get if they "come out". ;)

This amounts to just 0.02% Lizzie meaning 99.98% feel they were born in the right body.

People can identify as they like but for obvious reasons Trans women should not be allowed to compete in women's sport, and should not be allowed into private 'women only' spaces.

Once again you are relating to percentages to demean the plight of the trans community. In fact we could be talking up to 650,000 individuals in just the UK’s population, but of course they do not matter to someone like you.

As for your other comments it is clear you have taken no notice of the facts I have highlighted in all my posts on this subject, so as your opinions matter not to me I will say no more before we go in circles again. ;)

Once again you hve taken the bait Lizzie....  :-X                                                                                       ;D
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 10 December 2021, 20:54:35
And another thing; Boris and Carrie seem to have decided their offspring is female. Surely that's up to the baby?
From now on we must say that a child has been born, it's sexual preference will be be announced at a later date.


You're confusing sexual identity and preference. Two very different things.

You keep saying this, Nick.

But for 99.9% of people they are a matching pair.


Ignorance is no defence. Never has been.
Unfortunately, it mixes well with stupidity.
Garnish that mixture with truculence and you have a powerful, but useless combination


As a matter of interest what proportion of people in the UK do you think were 'born in the wrong body'?

With a bit of reluctance I will just give a brief answer: up to one in 5,000 is one of the latest estimates, but many just suffer in silence until death, either deliberate, accidental or because they cannot face the ignorant abuse they get if they "come out". ;)

This amounts to just 0.02% Lizzie meaning 99.98% feel they were born in the right body.

People can identify as they like but for obvious reasons Trans women should not be allowed to compete in women's sport, and should not be allowed into private 'women only' spaces.

Once again you are relating to percentages to demean the plight of the trans community. In fact we could be talking up to 650,000 individuals in just the UK’s population, but of course they do not matter to someone like you.

As for your other comments it is clear you have taken no notice of the facts I have highlighted in all my posts on this subject, so as your opinions matter not to me I will say no more before we go in circles again. ;)

Once again you hve taken the bait Lizzie....  :-X                                                                                       ;D

Yep, I know Sir Tigger, but I just cannot let ignorance and stupidity go unchallenged ::) ::) ;D ;)
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: STEMO on 10 December 2021, 20:58:59
And another thing; Boris and Carrie seem to have decided their offspring is female. Surely that's up to the baby?
From now on we must say that a child has been born, it's sexual preference will be be announced at a later date.


You're confusing sexual identity and preference. Two very different things.

You keep saying this, Nick.

But for 99.9% of people they are a matching pair.


Ignorance is no defence. Never has been.
Unfortunately, it mixes well with stupidity.
Garnish that mixture with truculence and you have a powerful, but useless combination


As a matter of interest what proportion of people in the UK do you think were 'born in the wrong body'?

With a bit of reluctance I will just give a brief answer: up to one in 5,000 is one of the latest estimates, but many just suffer in silence until death, either deliberate, accidental or because they cannot face the ignorant abuse they get if they "come out". ;)

This amounts to just 0.02% Lizzie meaning 99.98% feel they were born in the right body.

People can identify as they like but for obvious reasons Trans women should not be allowed to compete in women's sport, and should not be allowed into private 'women only' spaces.

Once again you are relating to percentages to demean the plight of the trans community. In fact we could be talking up to 650,000 individuals in just the UK’s population, but of course they do not matter to someone like you.

As for your other comments it is clear you have taken no notice of the facts I have highlighted in all my posts on this subject, so as your opinions matter not to me I will say no more before we go in circles again. ;)

Once again you hve taken the bait Lizzie....  :-X                                                                                       ;D

Yep, I know Sir Tigger, but I just cannot let ignorance and stupidity go unchallenged ::) ::) ;D ;)
But it's neither ignorance nor stupidity when it's used as bait, is it?
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 10 December 2021, 21:26:22
Proportional representation depends on percentages to be fair and reasonable.

Equality does exactly what it says on the tin and applies EQUALLY to everyone so statistics, and therefore, labels are irrelevant.

Both are fair, but equality is more fair in terms of dealing with people and their rights. Providing, of course, that you don't label everything.

Proportional representation is more of a practical approach... For example, if your workforce is split 50/50 men and women, it makes sense to have roughly the same number of toilets for both, but if you have a 75/25 split either way, then you might reconsider the provision accordingly.

Simples really.
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 11 December 2021, 11:41:10
And another thing; Boris and Carrie seem to have decided their offspring is female. Surely that's up to the baby?
From now on we must say that a child has been born, it's sexual preference will be be announced at a later date.


You're confusing sexual identity and preference. Two very different things.

You keep saying this, Nick.

But for 99.9% of people they are a matching pair.


Ignorance is no defence. Never has been.
Unfortunately, it mixes well with stupidity.
Garnish that mixture with truculence and you have a powerful, but useless combination


As a matter of interest what proportion of people in the UK do you think were 'born in the wrong body'?

With a bit of reluctance I will just give a brief answer: up to one in 5,000 is one of the latest estimates, but many just suffer in silence until death, either deliberate, accidental or because they cannot face the ignorant abuse they get if they "come out". ;)

This amounts to just 0.02% Lizzie meaning 99.98% feel they were born in the right body.

People can identify as they like but for obvious reasons Trans women should not be allowed to compete in women's sport, and should not be allowed into private 'women only' spaces.

Once again you are relating to percentages to demean the plight of the trans community. In fact we could be talking up to 650,000 individuals in just the UK’s population, but of course they do not matter to someone like you.

As for your other comments it is clear you have taken no notice of the facts I have highlighted in all my posts on this subject, so as your opinions matter not to me I will say no more before we go in circles again. ;)

Once again you hve taken the bait Lizzie....  :-X                                                                                       ;D

Yep, I know Sir Tigger, but I just cannot let ignorance and stupidity go unchallenged ::) ::) ;D ;)
But it's neither ignorance nor stupidity when it's used as bait, is it?

But is it bait Steve? ??? ??? ???

If it was clearly that then I would ignore it all, but on the OOF when in a discussion (we obviously cannot see the other person and their body language) I tend to take things on face value.  As Opti continues to bang on about this controversial subject with conviction I respect his comments as it is clearly what he believes, but often they need challenging to give some form of balance.  If it is all a big joke at my expense then I will be very angry as the subject is not a joking matter anymore than any other Diversity issue as it does involve very vulnerable people. ;)
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Varche on 11 December 2021, 13:02:02
Proportional representation depends on percentages to be fair and reasonable.

Equality does exactly what it says on the tin and applies EQUALLY to everyone so statistics, and therefore, labels are irrelevant.

Both are fair, but equality is more fair in terms of dealing with people and their rights. Providing, of course, that you don't label everything.

Proportional representation is more of a practical approach... For example, if your workforce is split 50/50 men and women, it makes sense to have roughly the same number of toilets for both, but if you have a 75/25 split either way, then you might reconsider the provision accordingly.

Simples really.

But even that isnt right. It might be from a male perspective but it takes longer for a female to visit a loo for a pee. Hence why there are always queues. If women designed the allocation of loos there would be more for females. E.g. for a 50 : 50  workforce maybe 40 : 60. This is what they have done in an area of Barcelona. There were other changes too to the environment but that could do for another thread.
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 11 December 2021, 13:43:19
Proportional representation depends on percentages to be fair and reasonable.

Equality does exactly what it says on the tin and applies EQUALLY to everyone so statistics, and therefore, labels are irrelevant.

Both are fair, but equality is more fair in terms of dealing with people and their rights. Providing, of course, that you don't label everything.

Proportional representation is more of a practical approach... For example, if your workforce is split 50/50 men and women, it makes sense to have roughly the same number of toilets for both, but if you have a 75/25 split either way, then you might reconsider the provision accordingly.

Simples really.

But even that isnt right. It might be from a male perspective but it takes longer for a female to visit a loo for a pee. Hence why there are always queues. If women designed the allocation of loos there would be more for females. E.g. for a 50 : 50  workforce maybe 40 : 60. This is what they have done in an area of Barcelona. There were other changes too to the environment but that could do for another thread.


Well explained Varche, that is what should happen elsewhere, as yes women do use the loo more than men do.

What DG correctly explains is what should be the case now in equality terms, but then going further as you explain it has in Barcelona should be the step after next! :y

The times I have been in a queue for the ladies whilst the men's loos are seemingly, from what I can see, nearly empty.  But the physically reality is, and always will be, of course it is easier and quicker for a man to pee than us ladies even without the menstrual equation! :D ;)
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 11 December 2021, 14:22:14
And another thing; Boris and Carrie seem to have decided their offspring is female. Surely that's up to the baby?
From now on we must say that a child has been born, it's sexual preference will be be announced at a later date.


You're confusing sexual identity and preference. Two very different things.

You keep saying this, Nick.

But for 99.9% of people they are a matching pair.


Ignorance is no defence. Never has been.
Unfortunately, it mixes well with stupidity.
Garnish that mixture with truculence and you have a powerful, but useless combination


As a matter of interest what proportion of people in the UK do you think were 'born in the wrong body'?

With a bit of reluctance I will just give a brief answer: up to one in 5,000 is one of the latest estimates, but many just suffer in silence until death, either deliberate, accidental or because they cannot face the ignorant abuse they get if they "come out". ;)

This amounts to just 0.02% Lizzie meaning 99.98% feel they were born in the right body.

People can identify as they like but for obvious reasons Trans women should not be allowed to compete in women's sport, and should not be allowed into private 'women only' spaces.

Once again you are relating to percentages to demean the plight of the trans community. In fact we could be talking up to 650,000 individuals in just the UK’s population, but of course they do not matter to someone like you.

As for your other comments it is clear you have taken no notice of the facts I have highlighted in all my posts on this subject, so as your opinions matter not to me I will say no more before we go in circles again. ;)

Once again you hve taken the bait Lizzie....  :-X                                                                                       ;D

Hmmm....maths does not seem to be your strong point, Lizzie. ::)

You say that 'people born in the wrong body' amount to 1 person in every 5000...which I broadly agree with. :y

But then you go on to say there are 650,000 of such people in the UK. ::) ::) ::).....really.

So 650,000 multiplied by 5000 gives us.....a lot more than the 65 million or so who live in the UK.

I get 3.25 Billion....not far short of half the total population of the Earth. :-\ :-\

Perhaps I have this wrong.

Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 11 December 2021, 14:35:04
And another thing; Boris and Carrie seem to have decided their offspring is female. Surely that's up to the baby?
From now on we must say that a child has been born, it's sexual preference will be be announced at a later date.


You're confusing sexual identity and preference. Two very different things.

You keep saying this, Nick.

But for 99.9% of people they are a matching pair.


Ignorance is no defence. Never has been.
Unfortunately, it mixes well with stupidity.
Garnish that mixture with truculence and you have a powerful, but useless combination


As a matter of interest what proportion of people in the UK do you think were 'born in the wrong body'?

With a bit of reluctance I will just give a brief answer: up to one in 5,000 is one of the latest estimates, but many just suffer in silence until death, either deliberate, accidental or because they cannot face the ignorant abuse they get if they "come out". ;)

This amounts to just 0.02% Lizzie meaning 99.98% feel they were born in the right body.

People can identify as they like but for obvious reasons Trans women should not be allowed to compete in women's sport, and should not be allowed into private 'women only' spaces.

Once again you are relating to percentages to demean the plight of the trans community. In fact we could be talking up to 650,000 individuals in just the UK’s population, but of course they do not matter to someone like you.

As for your other comments it is clear you have taken no notice of the facts I have highlighted in all my posts on this subject, so as your opinions matter not to me I will say no more before we go in circles again. ;)

Once again you hve taken the bait Lizzie....  :-X                                                                                       ;D

Yep, I know Sir Tigger, but I just cannot let ignorance and stupidity go unchallenged ::) ::) ;D ;)

Lizzie loves to go the full Mary Whitehouse on us. ::) ::) :D

She will educate us all whether we want to be educated or not.

It is her duty. ;)

It is her destiny. ::)
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 11 December 2021, 14:42:23
And another thing; Boris and Carrie seem to have decided their offspring is female. Surely that's up to the baby?
From now on we must say that a child has been born, it's sexual preference will be be announced at a later date.


You're confusing sexual identity and preference. Two very different things.

You keep saying this, Nick.

But for 99.9% of people they are a matching pair.


Ignorance is no defence. Never has been.
Unfortunately, it mixes well with stupidity.
Garnish that mixture with truculence and you have a powerful, but useless combination


As a matter of interest what proportion of people in the UK do you think were 'born in the wrong body'?

With a bit of reluctance I will just give a brief answer: up to one in 5,000 is one of the latest estimates, but many just suffer in silence until death, either deliberate, accidental or because they cannot face the ignorant abuse they get if they "come out". ;)

This amounts to just 0.02% Lizzie meaning 99.98% feel they were born in the right body.

People can identify as they like but for obvious reasons Trans women should not be allowed to compete in women's sport, and should not be allowed into private 'women only' spaces.

Once again you are relating to percentages to demean the plight of the trans community. In fact we could be talking up to 650,000 individuals in just the UK’s population, but of course they do not matter to someone like you.

As for your other comments it is clear you have taken no notice of the facts I have highlighted in all my posts on this subject, so as your opinions matter not to me I will say no more before we go in circles again. ;)

Once again you hve taken the bait Lizzie....  :-X                                                                                       ;D

Hmmm....maths does not seem to be your strong point, Lizzie. ::)

You say that 'people born in the wrong body' amount to 1 person in every 5000...which I broadly agree with. :y

But then you go on to say there are 650,000 of such people in the UK. ::) ::) ::).....really.

So 650,000 multiplied by 5000 gives us.....a lot more than the 65 million or so who live in the UK.

I get 3.25 Billion....not far short of half the total population of the Earth. :-\ :-\

Perhaps I have this wrong.

No, you have not Opti, it is me who has! :-[ :-[

That's what comes of doing mental arithmetic when tired ::) ::) ::)

Goodness know where I got 650,000 from, but it should be 13,000 based on the 65 million :D

Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: STEMO on 11 December 2021, 14:43:35
And another thing; Boris and Carrie seem to have decided their offspring is female. Surely that's up to the baby?
From now on we must say that a child has been born, it's sexual preference will be be announced at a later date.


You're confusing sexual identity and preference. Two very different things.

You keep saying this, Nick.

But for 99.9% of people they are a matching pair.


Ignorance is no defence. Never has been.
Unfortunately, it mixes well with stupidity.
Garnish that mixture with truculence and you have a powerful, but useless combination


As a matter of interest what proportion of people in the UK do you think were 'born in the wrong body'?

With a bit of reluctance I will just give a brief answer: up to one in 5,000 is one of the latest estimates, but many just suffer in silence until death, either deliberate, accidental or because they cannot face the ignorant abuse they get if they "come out". ;)

This amounts to just 0.02% Lizzie meaning 99.98% feel they were born in the right body.

People can identify as they like but for obvious reasons Trans women should not be allowed to compete in women's sport, and should not be allowed into private 'women only' spaces.

Once again you are relating to percentages to demean the plight of the trans community. In fact we could be talking up to 650,000 individuals in just the UK’s population, but of course they do not matter to someone like you.

As for your other comments it is clear you have taken no notice of the facts I have highlighted in all my posts on this subject, so as your opinions matter not to me I will say no more before we go in circles again. ;)

Once again you hve taken the bait Lizzie....  :-X                                                                                       ;D

Hmmm....maths does not seem to be your strong point, Lizzie. ::)

You say that 'people born in the wrong body' amount to 1 person in every 5000...which I broadly agree with. :y

But then you go on to say there are 650,000 of such people in the UK. ::) ::) ::).....really.

So 650,000 multiplied by 5000 gives us.....a lot more than the 65 million or so who live in the UK.

I get 3.25 Billion....not far short of half the total population of the Earth. :-\ :-\

Perhaps I have this wrong.
1 in every 5000 is a measley 14000 people, taking the population to be 70,000,000
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 11 December 2021, 14:46:49
And another thing; Boris and Carrie seem to have decided their offspring is female. Surely that's up to the baby?
From now on we must say that a child has been born, it's sexual preference will be be announced at a later date.


You're confusing sexual identity and preference. Two very different things.

You keep saying this, Nick.

But for 99.9% of people they are a matching pair.


Ignorance is no defence. Never has been.
Unfortunately, it mixes well with stupidity.
Garnish that mixture with truculence and you have a powerful, but useless combination


As a matter of interest what proportion of people in the UK do you think were 'born in the wrong body'?

With a bit of reluctance I will just give a brief answer: up to one in 5,000 is one of the latest estimates, but many just suffer in silence until death, either deliberate, accidental or because they cannot face the ignorant abuse they get if they "come out". ;)

This amounts to just 0.02% Lizzie meaning 99.98% feel they were born in the right body.

People can identify as they like but for obvious reasons Trans women should not be allowed to compete in women's sport, and should not be allowed into private 'women only' spaces.

Once again you are relating to percentages to demean the plight of the trans community. In fact we could be talking up to 650,000 individuals in just the UK’s population, but of course they do not matter to someone like you.

As for your other comments it is clear you have taken no notice of the facts I have highlighted in all my posts on this subject, so as your opinions matter not to me I will say no more before we go in circles again. ;)

Once again you hve taken the bait Lizzie....  :-X                                                                                       ;D

Yep, I know Sir Tigger, but I just cannot let ignorance and stupidity go unchallenged ::) ::) ;D ;)

Lizzie loves to go the full Mary Whitehouse on us. ::) ::) :D

She will educate us all whether we want to be educated or not.

It is her duty. ;)

It is her destiny. ::)

I will never be like her, but not all what should said was wrong.

Just look around and see what type of society we have now and how a lot of people on here, let alone out there, think about it and the size of the Welfare Bill now. ;)

But she was wrong on all too many other issues apparently, without me making the judgement some will expect!! :P :P ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 11 December 2021, 14:48:59
And another thing; Boris and Carrie seem to have decided their offspring is female. Surely that's up to the baby?
From now on we must say that a child has been born, it's sexual preference will be be announced at a later date.


You're confusing sexual identity and preference. Two very different things.

You keep saying this, Nick.

But for 99.9% of people they are a matching pair.


Ignorance is no defence. Never has been.
Unfortunately, it mixes well with stupidity.
Garnish that mixture with truculence and you have a powerful, but useless combination


As a matter of interest what proportion of people in the UK do you think were 'born in the wrong body'?

With a bit of reluctance I will just give a brief answer: up to one in 5,000 is one of the latest estimates, but many just suffer in silence until death, either deliberate, accidental or because they cannot face the ignorant abuse they get if they "come out". ;)

This amounts to just 0.02% Lizzie meaning 99.98% feel they were born in the right body.

People can identify as they like but for obvious reasons Trans women should not be allowed to compete in women's sport, and should not be allowed into private 'women only' spaces.

Once again you are relating to percentages to demean the plight of the trans community. In fact we could be talking up to 650,000 individuals in just the UK’s population, but of course they do not matter to someone like you.

As for your other comments it is clear you have taken no notice of the facts I have highlighted in all my posts on this subject, so as your opinions matter not to me I will say no more before we go in circles again. ;)

Once again you hve taken the bait Lizzie....  :-X                                                                                       ;D

Hmmm....maths does not seem to be your strong point, Lizzie. ::)

You say that 'people born in the wrong body' amount to 1 person in every 5000...which I broadly agree with. :y

But then you go on to say there are 650,000 of such people in the UK. ::) ::) ::).....really.

So 650,000 multiplied by 5000 gives us.....a lot more than the 65 million or so who live in the UK.

I get 3.25 Billion....not far short of half the total population of the Earth. :-\ :-\

Perhaps I have this wrong.
1 in every 5000 is a measley 14000 people, taking the population to be 70,000,000


So if you are one of the 13,000 you do not matter?

I will not take that (political) argument any further..................... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: STEMO on 11 December 2021, 14:49:42
And another thing; Boris and Carrie seem to have decided their offspring is female. Surely that's up to the baby?
From now on we must say that a child has been born, it's sexual preference will be be announced at a later date.


You're confusing sexual identity and preference. Two very different things.

You keep saying this, Nick.

But for 99.9% of people they are a matching pair.


Ignorance is no defence. Never has been.
Unfortunately, it mixes well with stupidity.
Garnish that mixture with truculence and you have a powerful, but useless combination


As a matter of interest what proportion of people in the UK do you think were 'born in the wrong body'?

With a bit of reluctance I will just give a brief answer: up to one in 5,000 is one of the latest estimates, but many just suffer in silence until death, either deliberate, accidental or because they cannot face the ignorant abuse they get if they "come out". ;)

This amounts to just 0.02% Lizzie meaning 99.98% feel they were born in the right body.

People can identify as they like but for obvious reasons Trans women should not be allowed to compete in women's sport, and should not be allowed into private 'women only' spaces.

Once again you are relating to percentages to demean the plight of the trans community. In fact we could be talking up to 650,000 individuals in just the UK’s population, but of course they do not matter to someone like you.

As for your other comments it is clear you have taken no notice of the facts I have highlighted in all my posts on this subject, so as your opinions matter not to me I will say no more before we go in circles again. ;)

Once again you hve taken the bait Lizzie....  :-X                                                                                       ;D

Hmmm....maths does not seem to be your strong point, Lizzie. ::)

You say that 'people born in the wrong body' amount to 1 person in every 5000...which I broadly agree with. :y

But then you go on to say there are 650,000 of such people in the UK. ::) ::) ::).....really.

So 650,000 multiplied by 5000 gives us.....a lot more than the 65 million or so who live in the UK.

I get 3.25 Billion....not far short of half the total population of the Earth. :-\ :-\

Perhaps I have this wrong.
1 in every 5000 is a measley 14000 people, taking the population to be 70,000,000


So if you are one of the 13,000 you do not matter?

I will not take that (political) argument any further..................... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
Correct.
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 11 December 2021, 14:53:01
And another thing; Boris and Carrie seem to have decided their offspring is female. Surely that's up to the baby?
From now on we must say that a child has been born, it's sexual preference will be be announced at a later date.


You're confusing sexual identity and preference. Two very different things.

You keep saying this, Nick.

But for 99.9% of people they are a matching pair.


Ignorance is no defence. Never has been.
Unfortunately, it mixes well with stupidity.
Garnish that mixture with truculence and you have a powerful, but useless combination


As a matter of interest what proportion of people in the UK do you think were 'born in the wrong body'?

With a bit of reluctance I will just give a brief answer: up to one in 5,000 is one of the latest estimates, but many just suffer in silence until death, either deliberate, accidental or because they cannot face the ignorant abuse they get if they "come out". ;)

This amounts to just 0.02% Lizzie meaning 99.98% feel they were born in the right body.

People can identify as they like but for obvious reasons Trans women should not be allowed to compete in women's sport, and should not be allowed into private 'women only' spaces.

Once again you are relating to percentages to demean the plight of the trans community. In fact we could be talking up to 650,000 individuals in just the UK’s population, but of course they do not matter to someone like you.

As for your other comments it is clear you have taken no notice of the facts I have highlighted in all my posts on this subject, so as your opinions matter not to me I will say no more before we go in circles again. ;)

Once again you hve taken the bait Lizzie....  :-X                                                                                       ;D

Hmmm....maths does not seem to be your strong point, Lizzie. ::)

You say that 'people born in the wrong body' amount to 1 person in every 5000...which I broadly agree with. :y

But then you go on to say there are 650,000 of such people in the UK. ::) ::) ::).....really.

So 650,000 multiplied by 5000 gives us.....a lot more than the 65 million or so who live in the UK.

I get 3.25 Billion....not far short of half the total population of the Earth. :-\ :-\

Perhaps I have this wrong.
1 in every 5000 is a measley 14000 people, taking the population to be 70,000,000


So if you are one of the 13,000 you do not matter?

I will not take that (political) argument any further..................... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
Correct.

So my right wing, National Socialist views may be right after all.......................

Where shall we start.....................? ;)

.............and who shall decide........................? ::) ::)
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: STEMO on 11 December 2021, 14:56:19
And another thing; Boris and Carrie seem to have decided their offspring is female. Surely that's up to the baby?
From now on we must say that a child has been born, it's sexual preference will be be announced at a later date.


You're confusing sexual identity and preference. Two very different things.

You keep saying this, Nick.

But for 99.9% of people they are a matching pair.


Ignorance is no defence. Never has been.
Unfortunately, it mixes well with stupidity.
Garnish that mixture with truculence and you have a powerful, but useless combination


As a matter of interest what proportion of people in the UK do you think were 'born in the wrong body'?

With a bit of reluctance I will just give a brief answer: up to one in 5,000 is one of the latest estimates, but many just suffer in silence until death, either deliberate, accidental or because they cannot face the ignorant abuse they get if they "come out". ;)

This amounts to just 0.02% Lizzie meaning 99.98% feel they were born in the right body.

People can identify as they like but for obvious reasons Trans women should not be allowed to compete in women's sport, and should not be allowed into private 'women only' spaces.

Once again you are relating to percentages to demean the plight of the trans community. In fact we could be talking up to 650,000 individuals in just the UK’s population, but of course they do not matter to someone like you.

As for your other comments it is clear you have taken no notice of the facts I have highlighted in all my posts on this subject, so as your opinions matter not to me I will say no more before we go in circles again. ;)

Once again you hve taken the bait Lizzie....  :-X                                                                                       ;D

Hmmm....maths does not seem to be your strong point, Lizzie. ::)

You say that 'people born in the wrong body' amount to 1 person in every 5000...which I broadly agree with. :y

But then you go on to say there are 650,000 of such people in the UK. ::) ::) ::).....really.

So 650,000 multiplied by 5000 gives us.....a lot more than the 65 million or so who live in the UK.

I get 3.25 Billion....not far short of half the total population of the Earth. :-\ :-\

Perhaps I have this wrong.
1 in every 5000 is a measley 14000 people, taking the population to be 70,000,000


So if you are one of the 13,000 you do not matter?

I will not take that (political) argument any further..................... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
Correct.

So my right wing, National Socialist views may be right after all.......................

Where shall we start.....................? ;)

.............and who shall decide........................? ::) ::)
I'll decide. With the 13,000  ;D
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 11 December 2021, 15:07:48
And another thing; Boris and Carrie seem to have decided their offspring is female. Surely that's up to the baby?
From now on we must say that a child has been born, it's sexual preference will be be announced at a later date.


You're confusing sexual identity and preference. Two very different things.

You keep saying this, Nick.

But for 99.9% of people they are a matching pair.


Ignorance is no defence. Never has been.
Unfortunately, it mixes well with stupidity.
Garnish that mixture with truculence and you have a powerful, but useless combination


As a matter of interest what proportion of people in the UK do you think were 'born in the wrong body'?

With a bit of reluctance I will just give a brief answer: up to one in 5,000 is one of the latest estimates, but many just suffer in silence until death, either deliberate, accidental or because they cannot face the ignorant abuse they get if they "come out". ;)

This amounts to just 0.02% Lizzie meaning 99.98% feel they were born in the right body.

People can identify as they like but for obvious reasons Trans women should not be allowed to compete in women's sport, and should not be allowed into private 'women only' spaces.

Once again you are relating to percentages to demean the plight of the trans community. In fact we could be talking up to 650,000 individuals in just the UK’s population, but of course they do not matter to someone like you.

As for your other comments it is clear you have taken no notice of the facts I have highlighted in all my posts on this subject, so as your opinions matter not to me I will say no more before we go in circles again. ;)

Once again you hve taken the bait Lizzie....  :-X                                                                                       ;D

Hmmm....maths does not seem to be your strong point, Lizzie. ::)

You say that 'people born in the wrong body' amount to 1 person in every 5000...which I broadly agree with. :y

But then you go on to say there are 650,000 of such people in the UK. ::) ::) ::).....really.

So 650,000 multiplied by 5000 gives us.....a lot more than the 65 million or so who live in the UK.

I get 3.25 Billion....not far short of half the total population of the Earth. :-\ :-\

Perhaps I have this wrong.
1 in every 5000 is a measley 14000 people, taking the population to be 70,000,000


So if you are one of the 13,000 you do not matter?

I will not take that (political) argument any further..................... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
Correct.

So my right wing, National Socialist views may be right after all.......................

Where shall we start.....................? ;)

.............and who shall decide........................? ::) ::)
I'll decide. With the 13,000 ;D

OK, fair enough Steve.  Just make sure I am not included as about the only woman on the OOF! :o :o ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 11 December 2021, 21:19:42
Are you sure?
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 11 December 2021, 21:26:25
Are you sure?

Yes, how many do you see posting on here now?

Many have been scared off :P :P :D ;)
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: STEMO on 11 December 2021, 21:27:09
Are you sure?

Yes, how many do you see posting on here now?

Many have been scared off :P :P :D ;)
Countrywoman posted earlier.
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: STEMO on 11 December 2021, 21:34:11
Are you sure?
Hmmmm......trying to work out what you meant by that  ;D
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 12 December 2021, 13:08:36
Are you sure?

Yes, how many do you see posting on here now?

Many have been scared off :P :P :D ;)
Countrywoman posted earlier.

Yes, so there are two of us!! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D

How many men? ;)
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: STEMO on 12 December 2021, 14:38:34
Are you sure?

Yes, how many do you see posting on here now?

Many have been scared off :P :P :D ;)
Countrywoman posted earlier.

Yes, so there are two of us!! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D

How many men? ;)
Car forums are for men. Washing up liquid forums are for women  :)
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: TD on 12 December 2021, 15:11:59
Are you sure?

Yes, how many do you see posting on here now?

Many have been scared off :P :P :D ;)
Countrywoman posted earlier.

Yes, so there are two of us!! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D

How many men? ;)
Car forums are for men. Washing up liquid forums are for women  :)

and knitting forums  ;D :)
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 12 December 2021, 17:24:41
Are you sure?

Yes, how many do you see posting on here now?

Many have been scared off :P :P :D ;)
Countrywoman posted earlier.

Yes, so there are two of us!! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D

How many men? ;)
Car forums are for men. Washing up liquid forums are for women  :)

and knitting forums  ;D :)

Rumour has it that Lord Opti is into knitting.  :-\

Apparently he likes to knit his own merkins' and has a fine collection in a range of colours and styles.  :)

If you ask nicely he may lend you one!  :y                                                                           ;D
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 12 December 2021, 17:45:49
Are you sure?

Yes, how many do you see posting on here now?

Many have been scared off :P :P :D ;)
Countrywoman posted earlier.

Yes, so there are two of us!! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D

How many men? ;)

 ::) ::)
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: ronnyd on 13 December 2021, 15:50:52
Are you sure?

Yes, how many do you see posting on here now?

Many have been scared off :P :P :D ;)
Countrywoman posted earlier.

Yes, so there are two of us!! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D

How many men? ;)
Car forums are for men. Washing up liquid forums are for women  :)

and knitting forums  ;D :)

Rumour has it that Lord Opti is into knitting.  :-\

Apparently he likes to knit his own merkins' and has a fine collection in a range of colours and styles.  :)

If you ask nicely he may lend you one!  :y                                                                           ;D
I've just Googled that. My God, i've certainly led a sheltered life.  ;D
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 13 December 2021, 17:15:47
Are you sure?

Yes, how many do you see posting on here now?

Many have been scared off :P :P :D ;)
Countrywoman posted earlier.

Yes, so there are two of us!! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D

How many men? ;)
Car forums are for men. Washing up liquid forums are for women  :)

and knitting forums  ;D :)

Rumour has it that Lord Opti is into knitting.  :-\

Apparently he likes to knit his own merkins' and has a fine collection in a range of colours and styles.  :)

If you ask nicely he may lend you one!  :y                                                                           ;D
I've just Googled that. My God, i've certainly led a sheltered life.  ;D

Note that Lord Opti has been very quiet about being 'outed' as a merkin knitter!  :-X  ::)  ;D
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Raeturbo on 14 December 2021, 01:45:11
Ferkin knutter would be more appropriate perhaps😂🤣
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 14 December 2021, 02:31:11
Ferkin knutter would be more appropriate perhaps😂🤣

 :y ;D
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: STEMO on 17 December 2021, 21:48:04
You couldn't make this up  ;D

Top civil servant Simon Case quits No 10 party probe amid rule breach claims https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59701369
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Varche on 17 December 2021, 22:18:05
Looks like the Lib Dems are next in line for the job.
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Nick W on 17 December 2021, 22:41:04
Looks like the Lib Dems are next in line for the job.


What fantasy are you basing that on??   :o
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Varche on 17 December 2021, 22:44:30
I did some mathematical extrapolations on the by election result plus detalied analysis of a snapshot of the UK population ( OOF)  and came to the conclusion that the Tories are done and Labour are unelectable.
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Nick W on 17 December 2021, 23:07:08
I did some mathematical extrapolations on the by election result plus detalied analysis of a snapshot of the UK population ( OOF)  and came to the conclusion that the Tories are done and Labour are unelectable.


You do know that the Lib Dems currently have 13 14 MPs out 650? That's some extrapolation.


And anyone who bases a general election result on a mid-term bye election clearly hasn't watched any before. The electorate use those to administer a good kicking to whatever party is in power, even if they voted that party in. Especially if they voted that party in, which is what happened here. That's largely down to their MP treating them as his second job, and not having the political capital to get away with it. Which is especially embarrassing when you have an ostensibly popular Prime Minister on your side.
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Varche on 17 December 2021, 23:13:07
 :y :y
Title: Re: Christmas party at number 10
Post by: Raeturbo on 18 December 2021, 00:15:44
Holy shit! Merry Christmas😂😂