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Re: Warm Start
« Reply #45 on: 18 February 2013, 16:03:17 »

The signal the crank sensor see's is weakest during cranking (as the engine turns over at less than idel speed).

It is a type of sensor that can give a porrer signal when hot.

So cranking plus a failing sensor equals a very weak signal.  :y

But again, check the CTS resistances as a starting point.

Will do  :y

Steve,what age car and which engine size,should be able to give you the ohms readings for the CTS at various temps :y

1998 1.1 henry  ;)

Cts check at sensor

10 degrees C  3530-4100 ohms
20                2350-2670
30                1585-1790
40                1085-1230
50                  763-857
60                  540-615
80                  292-326
90                  215-245

hope that helps :y
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Re: Warm Start
« Reply #46 on: 18 February 2013, 16:23:52 »

Pretty standard sensor range then  :y
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Re: Warm Start
« Reply #47 on: 18 February 2013, 18:13:37 »

 >:( I cant find which is the correct sensor , the nearest to the stat housing is a green connection and next to it on the block is another but blue connection .
Scoured the net and some are saying green some saying its the blue to the ECU  >:(

2 pin on the green

3 pin on the blue

Pug forum is useless for an answer so im stuck now as to which goes to ECU  :( :-\
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Re: Warm Start
« Reply #48 on: 18 February 2013, 18:47:42 »

The Bosch setups are usualy a two pin device although some very early ones were three pin. Normaly an aqua/greeen colour and pretty sure the shitroen ones are the same
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Re: Warm Start
« Reply #49 on: 18 February 2013, 19:00:56 »

The Bosch setups are usualy a two pin device although some very early ones were three pin. Normaly an aqua/greeen colour and pretty sure the shitroen ones are the same

I have a new Green one and on the box says " engine management coolant temp sensor " But the connection is different to the one on the car  >:( Back to the drawing board .
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Re: Warm Start
« Reply #50 on: 18 February 2013, 19:10:31 »

The Bosch setups are usualy a two pin device although some very early ones were three pin. Normaly an aqua/greeen colour and pretty sure the shitroen ones are the same

I have a new Green one and on the box says " engine management coolant temp sensor " But the connection is different to the one on the car  >:( Back to the drawing board .

I agree with Mark,it's normally the green one,do you know anyone with a scanner that can access the pug,be good to view live readings and look at what the ECU is seeing
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Re: Warm Start
« Reply #51 on: 18 February 2013, 19:14:58 »

The Bosch setups are usualy a two pin device although some very early ones were three pin. Normaly an aqua/greeen colour and pretty sure the shitroen ones are the same

I have a new Green one and on the box says " engine management coolant temp sensor " But the connection is different to the one on the car  >:( Back to the drawing board .

I agree with Mark,it's normally the green one,do you know anyone with a scanner that can access the pug,be good to view live readings and look at what the ECU is seeing

No henry not that i know of  :(

One thing that ive seen on the web is that if the green sensor is disconnected while the car is running , if the throttle rises then the sensor is working  :-\
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Re: Warm Start
« Reply #52 on: 19 February 2013, 12:19:06 »

Tick over seems high so another pointer towards CTS , ive been sent the right sensor but wrong connection  >:(  >:( >:( Apparently the are 16 different CTS's  ::) Another one on its way  ::)
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Re: Warm Start
« Reply #53 on: 19 February 2013, 14:25:38 »

Tick over seems high so another pointer towards CTS , ive been sent the right sensor but wrong connection  >:(  >:( >:( Apparently the are 16 different CTS's  ::) Another one on its way  ::)

Gotta love the frogs ;D ;D
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Re: Warm Start
« Reply #54 on: 19 February 2013, 15:42:01 »

Tick over seems high so another pointer towards CTS , ive been sent the right sensor but wrong connection  >:(  >:( >:( Apparently the are 16 different CTS's  ::) Another one on its way  ::)

Gotta love the frogs ;D ;D

Aye  ;D Only 14 more to try  >:(
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Re: Warm Start
« Reply #55 on: 20 February 2013, 15:26:45 »

Well new sensor is in , stopped and started 2 times when warm and it starts fine  :) Was well worth an hour of swearing with accompanied frost bite  ::)
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« Reply #56 on: 20 February 2013, 15:32:29 »

Well new sensor is in , stopped and started 2 times when warm and it starts fine  :) Was well worth an hour of swearing with accompanied frost bite  ::)

Nice one :y :y
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Re: Warm Start
« Reply #57 on: 20 February 2013, 15:36:18 »

Well new sensor is in , stopped and started 2 times when warm and it starts fine  :) Was well worth an hour of swearing with accompanied frost bite  ::)

But did you figure out what the yellow ring was for? ;)
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« Reply #58 on: 20 February 2013, 15:40:15 »

Well new sensor is in , stopped and started 2 times when warm and it starts fine  :) Was well worth an hour of swearing with accompanied frost bite  ::)

But did you figure out what the yellow ring was for? ;)

Err no  ;D There was a similar one on the old one so im presuming its a colour coding thingamygig  :-\
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Re: Warm Start
« Reply #59 on: 20 February 2013, 15:42:40 »

Well new sensor is in , stopped and started 2 times when warm and it starts fine  :) Was well worth an hour of swearing with accompanied frost bite  ::)

But did you figure out what the yellow ring was for? ;)

Err no  ;D There was a similar one on the old one so im presuming its a colour coding thingamygig  :-\

Maybe it's just so you know which one of the 14 different coolant temp sensors you're meant to order.. ;D
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