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Re: Benefits
« Reply #120 on: 05 April 2013, 17:37:47 »

TINA was crap when it was first said and it's crap now. Don't believe that austerity for the poor is the answer.  The answer is a modest redistribution of wealth.
We've run out of rich people, as we've been doing that for too long.

So the next step is to "encourage" those who can work to do so, and the way to do that is to cut the benefits of those who refuse for reasons that aren't really valid. And put a cap on the maximum amount of benefits a household had claim.

Totally agree... I think some folks don't actually know or understand the actual meaning of the words "benefit", "support", "allowance" etc .. and confuse them with the term "right"



........and whilst we are on the subject of benefits..............where is Farage and UKIP on this? There has been silence from what I suspect is nothing but a one trick party who cannot apply themselves to actual policies and comment on situations that are close to home, and have not entered the fray on what is a crucial subject for hundreds of thousands.  All they can comment about is the EU, and that is not what we need.  I find that very disappointing.


Is anyone going to answer me on my comments about UKIP?  Or have the many UKIP supporters suddenly been stuck silent by facts? ::) ::) ::) ;)


No, some of us have work to do.

Anyhow, here is Star Etheridge speaking on disablility to the UKIP conference in March. I haven't watched it all...as I say, I have work to do.

http://www.ukip.tv/?p=3847

What does that mean Nick? :o :o :o :o

Do you think none of us work to? ::) ::) ::)

You write and write about so much obviously using your valuable time, but when challenged you come out with that type of statement!! ::) ::) ::) ::)

As I have said before it is easy to copy and paste links and spout off on your specialised subjects, but when somebody asks a sensible question you go all defensive! ::) ::) ::) ::)

I give up!  I am certainly going to be too busy working to get involved with your threads again!


I'm sorry if I offended you, Lizzie, it was not my intention. :-[

Yes, I have been busy this afternoon, but your comment  "a one trick party who cannot apply themselves to actual policies" actually irritated me a bit as I have several times on here given the link to UKIP's main manifesto (there is also a special 2013 Local Council Election manifesto on the same site). UKIP are not a one-trick party and have a number of very attractive policies (e.g. flat-rate taxation, abolition of the Climate Change Act, etc., etc.). Given that they do not have the wealth of the other mainstream parties, they cannot call upon the usual squadron of SpAds and PR machinery to react instantly to each and every headline on a daily basis.  ;)

www.ukip.org

Thanks Nick, and I am sorry for snapping at you as I do! ::) ::) ::) :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

It is just this subject probably winds me up so much as daily I am witnessing the heartache and consequences of bad policy by a Conservative Government (YES, and I am a Conservative! :-[ :-[) who are determined to dismantle the Welfare State, including the NHS, that so many of our ancestors bitterly fought for in either mass protest groups, like the Chartists, and then during two World Wars that should have given us a State away from the previous elitism.  My socialist principles detest what Cameron is doing, but I am struggling to find a realistic political alternative that will give the people what we need.  If only Labour did not have the record they have, and UKIP could really convince me that they can cope with running this country without making the situation worse!

We need a new approach, by A strong political leader who can be trusted to not bungle everything, and really implement a policy to support our citizens and not beat them over the head!  :y :y 
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« Reply #121 on: 05 April 2013, 17:41:35 »

TINA was crap when it was first said and it's crap now. Don't believe that austerity for the poor is the answer.  The answer is a modest redistribution of wealth.
We've run out of rich people, as we've been doing that for too long.

So the next step is to "encourage" those who can work to do so, and the way to do that is to cut the benefits of those who refuse for reasons that aren't really valid. And put a cap on the maximum amount of benefits a household had claim.

Totally agree... I think some folks don't actually know or understand the actual meaning of the words "benefit", "support", "allowance" etc .. and confuse them with the term "right"



........and whilst we are on the subject of benefits..............where is Farage and UKIP on this? There has been silence from what I suspect is nothing but a one trick party who cannot apply themselves to actual policies and comment on situations that are close to home, and have not entered the fray on what is a crucial subject for hundreds of thousands.  All they can comment about is the EU, and that is not what we need.  I find that very disappointing.


Is anyone going to answer me on my comments about UKIP?  Or have the many UKIP supporters suddenly been stuck silent by facts? ::) ::) ::) ;)


No, some of us have work to do.

Anyhow, here is Star Etheridge speaking on disablility to the UKIP conference in March. I haven't watched it all...as I say, I have work to do.

http://www.ukip.tv/?p=3847

What does that mean Nick? :o :o :o :o

Do you think none of us work to? ::) ::) ::)

You write and write about so much obviously using your valuable time, but when challenged you come out with that type of statement!! ::) ::) ::) ::)

As I have said before it is easy to copy and paste links and spout off on your specialised subjects, but when somebody asks a sensible question you go all defensive! ::) ::) ::) ::)

I give up!  I am certainly going to be too busy working to get involved with your threads again!


I'm sorry if I offended you, Lizzie, it was not my intention. :-[

Yes, I have been busy this afternoon, but your comment  "a one trick party who cannot apply themselves to actual policies" actually irritated me a bit as I have several times on here given the link to UKIP's main manifesto (there is also a special 2013 Local Council Election manifesto on the same site). UKIP are not a one-trick party and have a number of very attractive policies (e.g. flat-rate taxation, abolition of the Climate Change Act, etc., etc.). Given that they do not have the wealth of the other mainstream parties, they cannot call upon the usual squadron of SpAds and PR machinery to react instantly to each and every headline on a daily basis.  ;)

www.ukip.org
i agree only a small party at the mo but the welfare question is not a small thing at the moment its grabing all the headlines so it would be prudent for an upand coming party to have aleast some thing to say what UKIP are thinking  of doing theres nothing mentiond in there manifesto shame realy


What also puts me into the thought that UKIP cannot really be realistically capable of running the country is when you see articles like this:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/apr/02/ukip-mep-climate-change-policy

It may not be a major point, but it just feeds me with doubt. ;)
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« Reply #122 on: 05 April 2013, 17:43:37 »

in that speach no mention of policy just sugetions good speach nut nothing new UKIP going to stop me having the only pleasure ive got left that is smoking i smoke 1/2 oz a week  what are they going to do about disabled benefits its not a hard nor trick question  so what i can gather is there going to escort me to the shop to make sure i dont but any pleasure items and as far as i can see no policy on benefits just funny speaches flaming rediculas .... go on lizzie you give em stick cos i cant i like all disabled people we dont exist >:( >:( >:( >:

Try not to worry ozzycat, the situation cannot continue and I have been able to speak to certain organisations informing them of my thoughts on behalf of others. There are many who feel like we do, and frankly 2015 cannot come quick enough. The waste that is now transpiring by all the ridiculously badly executed policy, whilst hurting those who are the weakest in our society, cannot continue.  The question is now, can Labour give us a truly Socialist Government, whilst sorting out the mess this country is in due to "the elite" creating the problem in the first place?

It is a very big question mark, but there are many I speak to who will now vote one way, and it will not be for the Coalition / Conservatives! :y :y
cheers lizzie ive got to say i voted for the lib/dems last time what a mistake that was  i wont be voteing for any of the top 3 next time that's why im interested in what ukip have to say but if they dont come up with something concrete well before the next election and not something cobbled together at the last minuet i don't know who ill vote for ive still not heard from the council weather im going to get any help with this bedroom tax evan with the housing ass trying to help as much as they can they are not allowed to help financially the government changed the law on 1st april so they couldnt
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« Reply #123 on: 05 April 2013, 17:46:18 »

just had a second letter from them ,medical is been cancelled because they just got more info of the hospital .cowboys >:( >:( >:(
all that heart ace for nothing mate i recon that atos get a kick out of geting people all wsorked up then sending these letters out ... glad you dont gave to go
thanks got my blood preshure done :y :y
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« Reply #124 on: 05 April 2013, 17:51:13 »

just had a second letter from them ,medical is been cancelled because they just got more info of the hospital .cowboys >:( >:( >:(
all that heart ace for nothing mate i recon that atos get a kick out of geting people all wsorked up then sending these letters out ... glad you dont gave to go
thanks got my blood preshure done :y :y
good you should be anle to calm down abit now. mines going through the roof ;D ;D
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« Reply #125 on: 05 April 2013, 17:54:31 »

..............and going back to the link that Cleggy kindly supplied:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/mar/22/ukip-benefits-claimants-tobacco-alcohol

This only angers me further, and after reading about the right wing links of UKIP across Europe, this "intention" by Farage stinks of National Socialism. It is the start of really taking away personal choices and freedom and the promotion of a authoritarian State, and we are not talking purely Utilitarianism, for the greater good.  No we are talking of dictatorship.  >:( >:(

When a State is in financial difficulties, with mass unemployment, a lost nationalism with lost pride, with a serious lack of faith in our political representatives and democracy itself, one route out is a very real possibility.  It just needs one man / women with the right spark! :-X :-X :-X
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« Reply #126 on: 05 April 2013, 17:55:13 »

just had a second letter from them ,medical is been cancelled because they just got more info of the hospital .cowboys >:( >:( >:(
all that heart ace for nothing mate i recon that atos get a kick out of geting people all wsorked up then sending these letters out ... glad you dont gave to go
thanks got my blood preshure done :y :y
good you should be anle to calm down abit now. mines going through the roof ;D ;D
have you still got to go then :y :y
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Re: Benefits
« Reply #127 on: 05 April 2013, 18:02:22 »

I could see a crash coming in the UK long before Lehmans. I suspect most could.
Are you sure?  I spoke to a risk analyst in the City a week after the crash he said none of them saw it coming and it is was their job.  If you saw it coming you ought to be very rich. ???
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« Reply #128 on: 05 April 2013, 18:04:35 »

just had a second letter from them ,medical is been cancelled because they just got more info of the hospital .cowboys >:( >:( >:(
all that heart ace for nothing mate i recon that atos get a kick out of geting people all wsorked up then sending these letters out ... glad you dont gave to go
thanks got my blood preshure done :y :y

Join the club ralf  ;D Ive been given a double dose of tablets  :(

UKIP to me is the only option , the other 3 are all cutting each other's throats , labour got us in this mess and the Tories have a bad attitude and have no idea how to connect with the general public , they dont understand the real issues neither do they want to understand . The Tories always support the rich and the rich get richer in every term they are in power , the latest round of cuts to the disabled and housing has gone too far  >:( As for the lib/dems they have no imput no backbone and will never be strong enough to ever be a contnder .

Im going for a ly down now  ;D
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« Reply #129 on: 05 April 2013, 18:07:53 »

..............and going back to the link that Cleggy kindly supplied:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/mar/22/ukip-benefits-claimants-tobacco-alcohol

This only angers me further, and after reading about the right wing links of UKIP across Europe, this "intention" by Farage stinks of National Socialism. It is the start of really taking away personal choices and freedom and the promotion of a authoritarian State, and we are not talking purely Utilitarianism, for the greater good.  No we are talking of dictatorship.  >:( >:(

When a State is in financial difficulties, with mass unemployment, a lost nationalism with lost pride, with a serious lack of faith in our political representatives and democracy itself, one route out is a very real possibility.  It just needs one man / women with the right spark! :-X :-X :-X


Sorry to repeat, but I will add:  A man or women who promises all to the masses and gains the popular vote, then implements their true intentions! :P :P :P :P

History can repeat itself in a different form, but a similar result :( :( :(
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« Reply #130 on: 05 April 2013, 18:20:22 »

..............and going back to the link that Cleggy kindly supplied:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/mar/22/ukip-benefits-claimants-tobacco-alcohol

This only angers me further, and after reading about the right wing links of UKIP across Europe, this "intention" by Farage stinks of National Socialism. It is the start of really taking away personal choices and freedom and the promotion of a authoritarian State, and we are not talking purely Utilitarianism, for the greater good.  No we are talking of dictatorship.  >:( >:(

When a State is in financial difficulties, with mass unemployment, a lost nationalism with lost pride, with a serious lack of faith in our political representatives and democracy itself, one route out is a very real possibility.  It just needs one man / women with the right spark! :-X :-X :-X

Oh, come on, Lizzie. Are you just trawling the Net to try and dig dirt on UKIP? Now UKIP are making headway, there are many scare stories being peddled by their opponents.

For a start, it is not an official UKIP policy and, secondly, may I remind you of this?

Iain Duncan Smith yesterday declared war on benefit claimants who fritter the cash on fags, booze and satellite TV subscriptions.

The Work and Pensions Secretary said he was studying plans for a welfare card which would prevent them buying “unnecessary and non-essential items”.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/government-studying-welfare-card-plans-1499584

Presumable, on your logic, this "intention" by Farage Ian Duncan Smith (CONSERVATIVE!) stinks of National Socialism.  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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« Reply #131 on: 05 April 2013, 18:25:51 »

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« Reply #132 on: 05 April 2013, 18:31:20 »

Poor fella looks starved. ::)
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« Reply #133 on: 05 April 2013, 18:38:01 »

..............and going back to the link that Cleggy kindly supplied:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/mar/22/ukip-benefits-claimants-tobacco-alcohol

This only angers me further, and after reading about the right wing links of UKIP across Europe, this "intention" by Farage stinks of National Socialism. It is the start of really taking away personal choices and freedom and the promotion of a authoritarian State, and we are not talking purely Utilitarianism, for the greater good.  No we are talking of dictatorship.  >:( >:(

When a State is in financial difficulties, with mass unemployment, a lost nationalism with lost pride, with a serious lack of faith in our political representatives and democracy itself, one route out is a very real possibility.  It just needs one man / women with the right spark! :-X :-X :-X

Oh, come on, Lizzie. Are you just trawling the Net to try and dig dirt on UKIP? Now UKIP are making headway, there are many scare stories being peddled by their opponents.

For a start, it is not an official UKIP policy and, secondly, may I remind you of this?

Iain Duncan Smith yesterday declared war on benefit claimants who fritter the cash on fags, booze and satellite TV subscriptions.

The Work and Pensions Secretary said he was studying plans for a welfare card which would prevent them buying “unnecessary and non-essential items”.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/government-studying-welfare-card-plans-1499584

Presumable, on your logic, this "intention" by Farage Ian Duncan Smith (CONSERVATIVE!) stinks of National Socialism.
  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)


Yes, they are heading in that direction and thus it is a real danger in my opinion :o :o :o  What IDS is threatening is a serious threat towards National Socialism by a Government struggling to find a successful direction to go in.  Farage is almost a right wing extension of the Conservatives, and that deeply troubles me. :( :( :(
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« Reply #134 on: 05 April 2013, 18:38:45 »

Poor fella looks starved. ::)

It's a she, Albs.  ;)
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