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[ozzycat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ_W6loKc88

sorry nick but if i had that atitude i would deserve everything they could throw at me
ok yes i smoke but i only smoke 1/2 oz a week but its the last thing that we buy i dont drink yes i like a drink like most people but my liquid intake is limited to i ltr a day this is because of kidney failure and includes all liquid in food and drink you want to try it its hard i dont have sky i do have youveiw only because i dont pay for it my mother sometimes buys me some baccy it is a luxury not a necessity you try living on what i get a week its not alot but there is some benefits i can claim for but i dont as long as we can manage im happy this is my way of geting some solice  in saying im doing my bit it eases my cons once i do this not to shout about it but if you feel the way ido about living  off benefits it helps

[Lizzie_Zoom]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ_W6loKc88

sorry nick but if i had that atitude i would deserve everything they could throw at me
ok yes i smoke but i only smoke 1/2 oz a week but its the last thing that we buy i dont drink yes i like a drink like most people but my liquid intake is limited to i ltr a day this is because of kidney failure and includes all liquid in food and drink you want to try it its hard i dont have sky i do have youveiw only because i dont pay for it my mother sometimes buys me some baccy it is a luxury not a necessity you try living on what i get a week its not alot but there is some benefits i can claim for but i dont as long as we can manage im happy this is my way of geting some solice  in saying im doing my bit it eases my cons once i do this not to shout about it but if you feel the way ido about living  off benefits it helps

Also ozzycat lets face it that women has her own mental health / personality disorder problems. She is not right and is unemployable in her current state.  She needs help, and shame on a TV station taking advantage and showing her in the light they have.  No, yet again, it is one part of society targeting the weakest and poorest in society to the delight of the Coalition.  Divide and conquer. It is sickening. Haul the millionaires and billionaires in front of the cameras who pay peanuts in taxes; oh, hang on they have the establishment in their pocket and after all are the elite!!

[Nickbat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ_W6loKc88

sorry nick but if i had that atitude i would deserve everything they could throw at me
ok yes i smoke but i only smoke 1/2 oz a week but its the last thing that we buy i dont drink yes i like a drink like most people but my liquid intake is limited to i ltr a day this is because of kidney failure and includes all liquid in food and drink you want to try it its hard i dont have sky i do have youveiw only because i dont pay for it my mother sometimes buys me some baccy it is a luxury not a necessity you try living on what i get a week its not alot but there is some benefits i can claim for but i dont as long as we can manage im happy this is my way of geting some solice  in saying im doing my bit it eases my cons once i do this not to shout about it but if you feel the way ido about living  off benefits it helps

Ozzy, I posted that link not from the point of my own approval or disapproval, but rather because it highlights the whole debate. Tigger says that dragging up this does not help the debate, but I would question that.

Let's assume for a moment that there are quite a few people like this. The attitude she displayed is abhorrent to many and if viewers were asked having just watched it, whether it was morally right for the taxpayer to fund certain non-essential aspects of her lifestyle they would likely as not say "No". But, to Lizzie (and this is not meant personally) that is, in itself, abhorrent – indeed Nazi-like.

If you then watch a clip of an interview from someone whose life is an unbearably grim fight against severe disability and asked the viewers whether it was morally right to fund that person, they would likely as not say "Yes".

So, we have a blanket system which throws money at all claimants, seemingly irrespective of their need. As I understand it, and I am happy to be contradicted, all IDS did was to suggest a way of identifying those in real need and weeding out the breakless.

However, there are bound to be some needy individuals who would be inconvenienced, financially or otherwise, by such a plan. Amongst these, the general media will always find a deserving cause willing to sit in front of the camera and say how heartless the government is. The plan gets dropped and everyone carries on collecting the money...whether they deserve it or not. 

[Webby the Bear]

Poor fella looks starved.

It's a she, Albs. 

LMFAO 

[Sir Tigger KC]

I think that the assertion that the government is deliberately targeting the weak, sick, disabled and helpless in a Nazi like fashion is pure BS!

I believe that the government have set out in good faith to reform the welfare system that has got so hideously expensive that the country cannot afford it in it's present form. Unfortunately for the likes of ozzycat, as is the way with governments of all colours, the reforms have been poorly planned and have dragged many of the deserving into the net. 

Some of the ideals behind the reforms such as a cap on a household income from benefits linked to an average wage is just common sense in my view and not fascism as some would have us believe.    For sure there will be cases where people need more for medical reasons and these cases should be rightly accommodated on a case by case basis.    One medical reason that shouldn't qualify for extra benefit money, in my view is lots of pregnancies! 

[albitz]

Well said Tigger.

[ozzycat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ_W6loKc88

sorry nick but if i had that atitude i would deserve everything they could throw at me
ok yes i smoke but i only smoke 1/2 oz a week but its the last thing that we buy i dont drink yes i like a drink like most people but my liquid intake is limited to i ltr a day this is because of kidney failure and includes all liquid in food and drink you want to try it its hard i dont have sky i do have youveiw only because i dont pay for it my mother sometimes buys me some baccy it is a luxury not a necessity you try living on what i get a week its not alot but there is some benefits i can claim for but i dont as long as we can manage im happy this is my way of geting some solice  in saying im doing my bit it eases my cons once i do this not to shout about it but if you feel the way ido about living  off benefits it helps

Ozzy, I posted that link not from the point of my own approval or disapproval, but rather because it highlights the whole debate. Tigger says that dragging up this does not help the debate, but I would question that.

Let's assume for a moment that there are quite a few people like this. The attitude she displayed is abhorrent to many and if viewers were asked having just watched it, whether it was morally right for the taxpayer to fund certain non-essential aspects of her lifestyle they would likely as not say "No". But, to Lizzie (and this is not meant personally) that is, in itself, abhorrent – indeed Nazi-like.

If you then watch a clip of an interview from someone whose life is an unbearably grim fight against severe disability and asked the viewers whether it was morally right to fund that person, they would likely as not say "Yes".

So, we have a blanket system which throws money at all claimants, seemingly irrespective of their need. As I understand it, and I am happy to be contradicted, all IDS did was to suggest a way of identifying those in real need and weeding out the breakless.

However, there are bound to be some needy individuals who would be inconvenienced, financially or otherwise, by such a plan. Amongst these, the general media will always find a deserving cause willing to sit in front of the camera and say how heartless the government is. The plan gets dropped and everyone carries on collecting the money...whether they deserve it or not. 

if she has got mental health problems then the tv company should be ashamed of there selves they stiched her up when she proberbly realy didnt know what she was doing . i had reservations when i did my interveiw with the bbc but im glad to say that they let me say what i wanted to say and didnt put words in to my mouth  i was very greatfull for the way they treated me they errrwere cery curtios and polite they evan stoped recording when i got upset  i also had a laf with them when i nearly run the camera man over wiyh my stairlift

[ozzycat]

I think that the assertion that the government is deliberately targeting the weak, sick, disabled and helpless in a Nazi like fashion is pure BS!

I believe that the government have set out in good faith to reform the welfare system that has got so hideously expensive that the country cannot afford it in it's present form. Unfortunately for the likes of ozzycat, as is the way with governments of all colours, the reforms have been poorly planned and have dragged many of the deserving into the net. 

Some of the ideals behind the reforms such as a cap on a household income from benefits linked to an average wage is just common sense in my view and not fascism as some would have us believe.    For sure there will be cases where people need more for medical reasons and these cases should be rightly accommodated on a case by case basis.    One medical reason that shouldn't qualify for extra benefit money, in my view is lots of pregnancies! 

i totaly agree mate they didnt deliberatly set out to get people like me but they should have put something in the bill to protect people like me and others the longer they take to sort it out the worse it will get

[Nickbat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ_W6loKc88

sorry nick but if i had that atitude i would deserve everything they could throw at me
ok yes i smoke but i only smoke 1/2 oz a week but its the last thing that we buy i dont drink yes i like a drink like most people but my liquid intake is limited to i ltr a day this is because of kidney failure and includes all liquid in food and drink you want to try it its hard i dont have sky i do have youveiw only because i dont pay for it my mother sometimes buys me some baccy it is a luxury not a necessity you try living on what i get a week its not alot but there is some benefits i can claim for but i dont as long as we can manage im happy this is my way of geting some solice  in saying im doing my bit it eases my cons once i do this not to shout about it but if you feel the way ido about living  off benefits it helps

Also ozzycat lets face it that women has her own mental health / personality disorder problems. She is not right and is unemployable in her current state.  She needs help, and shame on a TV station taking advantage and showing her in the light they have.  No, yet again, it is one part of society targeting the weakest and poorest in society to the delight of the Coalition.  Divide and conquer. It is sickening. Haul the millionaires and billionaires in front of the cameras who pay peanuts in taxes; oh, hang on they have the establishment in their pocket and after all are the elite!!

That's a guess on your part, isn't it, Lizzie? 

[Jusme]

He is 58 years old and has suckled upon the publicly-funded teat for most of his life.

He's signed on the dole. He's had four children and received child benefit for all of them. He has put them each through private school, too.

His wife hasn't worked since they married, except for 15 months in which he got her a job paid by the taxpayer.

He and his colleagues eat and drink food you subsidise in a palace you pay for, he is driven around in a car you own, and when he is too old to 'work' any more you will pay for him to have a better pension than you, too.

He started out at the age of 21 with six years of taxpayer-funded military service, during which he acted as bag-carrier to a Major-General.

Then in 1981, aged 27, he left the Army and signed on the dole for several months.

He then began a period of ordinary work based upon the skills he had gained at the taxpayer's expense, and worked in sales for arms dealer GEC-Marconi.

He then moved on to a property firm, where he was made redundant after six months, and then sold gun-related magazines for Jane's Information Group.

After 11 years of this all-too brief career he succeeded in once again boarding the publicly-funded gravy train in 1992.

In the intervening 20 years he has been paid by the taxpayer every year more money than most taxpayers earn. He has topped it up, along the way, to more than six figures for a few years here and there by being more pompous than the other pigs.

In 2001 he helped his unemployed wife to have a suckle, arranging for you to pay her £15,000 to be his diary secretary.

These days he is given the grand total of £134,565 a year from the taxpayer.

He lives for free in a £2million Tudor farmhouse on his father-in-law's ancestral estate in Buckinghamshire.

He has three acres of land, a tennis court, swimming pool and some orchards, which is not bad for a life in the pay of the state.

'Who is this scumbag?' you might cry. 'Tell us his name, let the authorities know his address, let's get this guzzler out of the cushy life and show him what life is like for the rest of us,earning £7 an hour with a rise once every eight years and a pension consisting entirely of penny sweets if you're lucky.'

His name is Iain Duncan Smith...
But if sadly you were to be made homeless Ozzy, I'm sure the Queen would be glad of the reduction in her bedroom tax, after all she must have tens of bedrooms going begging, and don't forget, along with all the politicians she is on benefits.... 

[ozzycat]

thats why i signed the potition to make him live on £53 a week  you and i know he wont do it he spends morethan that on his tea break in a morning im afraid people like him distgust me im not against people having money good luck to them what he dose is rub it in peoples faces and makes statments like this with no intention of folowing them trough in my opinion hes a 2 faced  incomptant spoilt brat who likes saying look what ive got so break you im allright jack he was the same when he was leader of the con you party total wasre of a good skin

by the way did i say i dont like the bloke either sorry if i missed that bit out

[cleggy]

He is 58 years old and has suckled upon the publicly-funded teat for most of his life.

He's signed on the dole. He's had four children and received child benefit for all of them. He has put them each through private school, too.

His wife hasn't worked since they married, except for 15 months in which he got her a job paid by the taxpayer.

He and his colleagues eat and drink food you subsidise in a palace you pay for, he is driven around in a car you own, and when he is too old to 'work' any more you will pay for him to have a better pension than you, too.

He started out at the age of 21 with six years of taxpayer-funded military service, during which he acted as bag-carrier to a Major-General.

Then in 1981, aged 27, he left the Army and signed on the dole for several months.

He then began a period of ordinary work based upon the skills he had gained at the taxpayer's expense, and worked in sales for arms dealer GEC-Marconi.

He then moved on to a property firm, where he was made redundant after six months, and then sold gun-related magazines for Jane's Information Group.

After 11 years of this all-too brief career he succeeded in once again boarding the publicly-funded gravy train in 1992.

In the intervening 20 years he has been paid by the taxpayer every year more money than most taxpayers earn. He has topped it up, along the way, to more than six figures for a few years here and there by being more pompous than the other pigs.

In 2001 he helped his unemployed wife to have a suckle, arranging for you to pay her £15,000 to be his diary secretary.

These days he is given the grand total of £134,565 a year from the taxpayer.

He lives for free in a £2million Tudor farmhouse on his father-in-law's ancestral estate in Buckinghamshire.

He has three acres of land, a tennis court, swimming pool and some orchards, which is not bad for a life in the pay of the state.

'Who is this scumbag?' you might cry. 'Tell us his name, let the authorities know his address, let's get this guzzler out of the cushy life and show him what life is like for the rest of us,earning £7 an hour with a rise once every eight years and a pension consisting entirely of penny sweets if you're lucky.'

His name is Iain Duncan Smith...
But if sadly you were to be made homeless Ozzy, I'm sure the Queen would be glad of the reduction in her bedroom tax, after all she must have tens of bedrooms going begging, and don't forget, along with all the politicians she is on benefits.... 

THANK YOU for stating the facts about this self serving barsteward. 

I signed the petition simply because the idiot said he could live on £53 per week if he had to. Prove it before you take away the benefits of people who have contributed to a system to look after them in the bad times. 

Yes there are the scroungers, immigrants , health care tourists etc but dont't screw our own

Now IDS put up or freak off

[Terbs]

Anyone can live on £53 for a week......but let them try living on it full time. I have been there, years ago, on £44. Its not nice, I assure you
People forget its not just for food for a week, its for all the other bills, or are you not allowed any electric, gas, water, phone, clothes, etc, etc They forget about the fact they would have to give up their cars, booze etc  They only see the surface, and not into the depths

[Lizzie_Zoom]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ_W6loKc88

sorry nick but if i had that atitude i would deserve everything they could throw at me
ok yes i smoke but i only smoke 1/2 oz a week but its the last thing that we buy i dont drink yes i like a drink like most people but my liquid intake is limited to i ltr a day this is because of kidney failure and includes all liquid in food and drink you want to try it its hard i dont have sky i do have youveiw only because i dont pay for it my mother sometimes buys me some baccy it is a luxury not a necessity you try living on what i get a week its not alot but there is some benefits i can claim for but i dont as long as we can manage im happy this is my way of geting some solice  in saying im doing my bit it eases my cons once i do this not to shout about it but if you feel the way ido about living  off benefits it helps

Ozzy, I posted that link not from the point of my own approval or disapproval, but rather because it highlights the whole debate. Tigger says that dragging up this does not help the debate, but I would question that.

Let's assume for a moment that there are quite a few people like this. The attitude she displayed is abhorrent to many and if viewers were asked having just watched it, whether it was morally right for the taxpayer to fund certain non-essential aspects of her lifestyle they would likely as not say "No". But, to Lizzie (and this is not meant personally) that is, in itself, abhorrent – indeed Nazi-like.

If you then watch a clip of an interview from someone whose life is an unbearably grim fight against severe disability and asked the viewers whether it was morally right to fund that person, they would likely as not say "Yes".

So, we have a blanket system which throws money at all claimants, seemingly irrespective of their need. As I understand it, and I am happy to be contradicted, all IDS did was to suggest a way of identifying those in real need and weeding out the breakless.

However, there are bound to be some needy individuals who would be inconvenienced, financially or otherwise, by such a plan. Amongst these, the general media will always find a deserving cause willing to sit in front of the camera and say how heartless the government is. The plan gets dropped and everyone carries on collecting the money...whether they deserve it or not. 

That is my fear, and although I have carefully avoided that sometimes over-used label, this in the extreme is exactly what can happen on a much larger scale in a National Socialist sate.  Just round up a few less able people, the weak and the ill, mentally ill especially, hire a good film crew and neo-Nazis director, and bingo you can convince the majority of the populous that these individuals are not suitable to live in our society.  Show up those with weakness, and then those who oppose the "established" political power, then who are a nuisance, and you can get away with murder, literally.  I am not suggesting our government is really as bad as that, but once you get the press going in that direction....................who knows!  At least a witch hunt can be the simpler outcome! 

That TV interview was just one element of what is going on..................what is secretly going on in the corridors of power, and the minds of some politicians, is even more disturbing.

[bored bigyin54]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ_W6loKc88

sorry nick but if i had that atitude i would deserve everything they could throw at me
ok yes i smoke but i only smoke 1/2 oz a week but its the last thing that we buy i dont drink yes i like a drink like most people but my liquid intake is limited to i ltr a day this is because of kidney failure and includes all liquid in food and drink you want to try it its hard i dont have sky i do have youveiw only because i dont pay for it my mother sometimes buys me some baccy it is a luxury not a necessity you try living on what i get a week its not alot but there is some benefits i can claim for but i dont as long as we can manage im happy this is my way of geting some solice  in saying im doing my bit it eases my cons once i do this not to shout about it but if you feel the way ido about living  off benefits it helps

Ozzy, I posted that link not from the point of my own approval or disapproval, but rather because it highlights the whole debate. Tigger says that dragging up this does not help the debate, but I would question that.

Let's assume for a moment that there are quite a few people like this. The attitude she displayed is abhorrent to many and if viewers were asked having just watched it, whether it was morally right for the taxpayer to fund certain non-essential aspects of her lifestyle they would likely as not say "No". But, to Lizzie (and this is not meant personally) that is, in itself, abhorrent – indeed Nazi-like.

If you then watch a clip of an interview from someone whose life is an unbearably grim fight against severe disability and asked the viewers whether it was morally right to fund that person, they would likely as not say "Yes".

So, we have a blanket system which throws money at all claimants, seemingly irrespective of their need. As I understand it, and I am happy to be contradicted, all IDS did was to suggest a way of identifying those in real need and weeding out the breakless.

However, there are bound to be some needy individuals who would be inconvenienced, financially or otherwise, by such a plan. Amongst these, the general media will always find a deserving cause willing to sit in front of the camera and say how heartless the government is. The plan gets dropped and everyone carries on collecting the money...whether they deserve it or not. 

That is my fear, and although I have carefully avoided that sometimes over-used label, this in the extreme is exactly what can happen on a much larger scale in a National Socialist sate.  Just round up a few less able people, the weak and the ill, mentally ill especially, hire a good film crew and neo-Nazis director, and bingo you can convince the majority of the populous that these individuals are not suitable to live in our society.  Show up those with weakness, and then those who oppose the "established" political power, then who are a nuisance, and you can get away with murder, literally.  I am not suggesting our government is really as bad as that, but once you get the press going in that direction....................who knows!  At least a witch hunt can be the simpler outcome! 

That TV interview was just one element of what is going on..................what is secretly going on in the corridors of power, and the minds of some politicians, is even more disturbing.

thats what these lot are trying to do lizzie