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[Rods2]

"High-Level U.S. Intelligence Officers: Syrian Government Didn’t Launch Chemical Weapons"

Some sobering reading here:

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-09-07/high-level-us-intelligence-officers-syrian-government-didn%E2%80%99t-launch-chemical-

 

I'm afraid this (Nickbats) critical post will remain unseen and left in shadow

I hope not Cem. Here is an embedded link in the ZeroHedge story. Incredible if true.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/09/12-u-s-intelligence-officials-tell-obama-it-wasnt-assad.html 

I dont see any reason for it to be fake.. and I hope/wish there is no finger from my country 

Just be aware that Zero Hedge has writers from Eastern Europe and their Syrian stories are written with a certainty that nobody else seems to have in the current fog of war in the Syrian conflict and like all Zero Hedge stories are written anonymously under the pseudonym of Tyler Durden, a character from the novel Flight Club. 

[cem_devecioglu]

"High-Level U.S. Intelligence Officers: Syrian Government Didn’t Launch Chemical Weapons"

Some sobering reading here:

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-09-07/high-level-us-intelligence-officers-syrian-government-didn%E2%80%99t-launch-chemical-

 

I'm afraid this (Nickbats) critical post will remain unseen and left in shadow

I hope not Cem. Here is an embedded link in the ZeroHedge story. Incredible if true.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/09/12-u-s-intelligence-officials-tell-obama-it-wasnt-assad.html 

I dont see any reason for it to be fake.. and I hope/wish there is no finger from my country 

Just be aware that Zero Hedge has writers from Eastern Europe and their Syrian stories are written with a certainty that nobody else seems to have in the current fog of war in the Syrian conflict and like all Zero Hedge stories are written anonymously under the pseudonym of Tyler Durden, a character from the novel Flight Club. 

no one will want to loose job 

[Nickbat]

Just be aware that Zero Hedge has writers from Eastern Europe and their Syrian stories are written with a certainty that nobody else seems to have in the current fog of war in the Syrian conflict and like all Zero Hedge stories are written anonymously under the pseudonym of Tyler Durden, a character from the novel Flight Club. 

Agreed, Rods, but the letter from Ray McGovern is surely genuine. You can't make people like that up and hope to get away with it.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Russia appears to be softening and is more willing to listen (accept?) the evidence about Assad forces being responsible for war crimes against his own people.
 
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russian ministry today announced that  they have evidence for the rebels using of gas rockets

Yes, and now, contrary to earlier reports, Putin is again distancing himself from the western powers keen to go on the offensive against Assad.  The group photograph at the St. Petersburg said it all!  Putin was miles away from Obama!

  what do you expect Lizzie ? despite all evidences Obama (actually not him-he is the operator)  wants war.. would putin send kisses and flowers

Perhaps not Cem

However, we are talking international politics, and Russia has got more at stake in the West than ever before. Politics could therefore make his hand swing towards some form of operation with other UN forces to at least control both sides in Syria, as a peace keeping operation, without actually using his military forces.  Politics, politics - who knows what could happen next?

Remember no one expected Stalin to join forces with Nazi Germany over the Polish question.But he did!

for now we can easily say that US dont want peace, they want oil and ready to pay whatever the price is..
 
Syria is a minor portion of middle east plans and and when its complete , they will step onto the next phase..

Ah, but Cem have you noticed that something has occurred for the first time since 1945?  The USA has suddenly found that they cannot have it all their own way with the rest of the world.  Their power is declining, and they cannot do just what they want to.  The American public will not let the White House do it, no more than the British public in general will allow their politicians to get away with it.

America is finding out in it's own way that they are no longer the unlimited power in the world; other people's views matter.  Just as the British found out in 1956 over Suez, there comes a time when your old hegemony no longer exists.

[Rods2]

Russia appears to be softening and is more willing to listen (accept?) the evidence about Assad forces being responsible for war crimes against his own people.
 
...........

russian ministry today announced that  they have evidence for the rebels using of gas rockets

Yes, and now, contrary to earlier reports, Putin is again distancing himself from the western powers keen to go on the offensive against Assad.  The group photograph at the St. Petersburg said it all!  Putin was miles away from Obama!

  what do you expect Lizzie ? despite all evidences Obama (actually not him-he is the operator)  wants war.. would putin send kisses and flowers

Perhaps not Cem

However, we are talking international politics, and Russia has got more at stake in the West than ever before. Politics could therefore make his hand swing towards some form of operation with other UN forces to at least control both sides in Syria, as a peace keeping operation, without actually using his military forces.  Politics, politics - who knows what could happen next?

Remember no one expected Stalin to join forces with Nazi Germany over the Polish question.But he did!

for now we can easily say that US dont want peace, they want oil and ready to pay whatever the price is..
 
Syria is a minor portion of middle east plans and and when its complete , they will step onto the next phase..

Ah, but Cem have you noticed that something has occurred for the first time since 1945?  The USA has suddenly found that they cannot have it all their own way with the rest of the world.  Their power is declining, and they cannot do just what they want to.  The American public will not let the White House do it, no more than the British public in general will allow their politicians to get away with it.

America is finding out in it's own way that they are no longer the unlimited power in the world; other people's views matter.  Just as the British found out in 1956 over Suez, there comes a time when your old hegemony no longer exists.

I also think Bush and BLiar did major damage with their untruths for their justification to invade Iraq, which I still think was to finish the job his dad started and then messed up the peace and then his son did the same, so there are still 1-2,000 people killed per month their in sectarian violence. Afghanistan has also been a bad war for the west, which is not winnable with the support the Taliban get from Iran and Pakistan. The west is war weary and fed up with seeing the body bags and maimed brave soldiers who are at the sharp end and taking the brunt of this.

We are better off letting the Middle East sort out their problems through in-fighting and the Arab league. The infighting from the various tribal factions factions is not going to go away with whoever is in power, hence the 1-2000 a month killed in Iraq even though they have a 'democracy' which by all party expression is meant to stop this sort of thing. 

If we or our interests are directly threatened, then I am all for taking the appropriate diplomatic and military action, but this is not the case with Syria, however vile and a war crime the use of poison gas is by whoever has used it. 

[tigers_gonads]

That sums it up for me Rods2

Democracy does not work with these inbreads.

I genuinly feel for the people who have lost there lifes in all these conflicts but nothing will ever change the followers of mohamed.
They will always do there best to kill each other so why waste our time, money and blood trying to teach them how to be civil.
If any of them should try to interfear with our interests then we should politely ask them the stop.
If that doesnt work then we should use all and I mean ALL resorces to win not just the battle but the war.
Until that happens ........... keep our noses out imo

[Nickbat]

Syria chemical weapons attack not ordered by Assad, says German press

Bild am Sonntag cites high-level German surveillance source suggesting Syrian president was not personally behind attacks

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/08/syria-chemical-weapons-not-assad-bild#start-of-comments

 

[tunnie]

Anyone think the Typhoons scambled other day from Cyprus was Syria testing the water & our/USA reactions?

If USA does go in, no doubt a cruise Missile or two from a sub or a Destroyer. But unlike other "Wars" Syria has got some punch to it, attack the USA's base in Northern Cyprus maybe?

[cem_devecioglu]

Anyone think the Typhoons scambled other day from Cyprus was Syria testing the water & our/USA reactions?

If USA does go in, no doubt a cruise Missile or two from a sub or a Destroyer. But unlike other "Wars" Syria has got some punch to it, attack the USA's base in Northern Cyprus maybe?

Nick , when the missiles launched , no one can predict the aftermath.. it wont stop there and both sides will play their cards..    although there is pressure on politicians, I  dont think this will stop the initial decision..

[Nickbat]

Anyone think the Typhoons scambled other day from Cyprus was Syria testing the water & our/USA reactions?

If USA does go in, no doubt a cruise Missile or two from a sub or a Destroyer. But unlike other "Wars" Syria has got some punch to it, attack the USA's base in Northern Cyprus maybe?

Nick , when the missiles launched , no one can predict the aftermath.. it wont stop there and both sides will play their cards..    although there is pressure on politicians, I  dont think this will stop the initial decision..

T'was Tunnie, not me, Cem. 

[Rods2]

Syria chemical weapons attack not ordered by Assad, says German press

Bild am Sonntag cites high-level German surveillance source suggesting Syrian president was not personally behind attacks

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/08/syria-chemical-weapons-not-assad-bild#start-of-comments

 

I quite prepared to believe that Assad did not order the attack, but was it committed by out of control factions within Assad's army and is he losing his grip on power, or was it committed by the rebels and this I don't think is clear. 

[Varche]

Well what we know is

There are a lot of boys with toys they are just itching to use. Just watch the Israelis when the fireworks start.

Al Qaeda will be the victors when the dust settles.

The losers will be tax payers and the local populaces.

As an aside, I had to smile at the oil auctions recently in Iraq. Very very little coverage by Western Media of the biggest oil auction in 150 years of oil exploration. Why? Well the USA won only one minor field. The Iraqi's showed their friendship? and skill by demanding and getting exorbitant minimum pumping rights which kept the traditional explorers away rightly or wrongly. Iraq may turn out to have the worlds biggest oil reserves even more than our "friends" the Saudis(Al Qaeda sponsors).

[cem_devecioglu]

Anyone think the Typhoons scambled other day from Cyprus was Syria testing the water & our/USA reactions?

If USA does go in, no doubt a cruise Missile or two from a sub or a Destroyer. But unlike other "Wars" Syria has got some punch to it, attack the USA's base in Northern Cyprus maybe?

Nick , when the missiles launched , no one can predict the aftermath.. it wont stop there and both sides will play their cards..    although there is pressure on politicians, I  dont think this will stop the initial decision..

T'was Tunnie, not me, Cem. 

umph!   

rule : dont post when you are in hurry

[Nickbat]

Syria chemical weapons attack not ordered by Assad, says German press

Bild am Sonntag cites high-level German surveillance source suggesting Syrian president was not personally behind attacks

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/08/syria-chemical-weapons-not-assad-bild#start-of-comments

 

I quite prepared to believe that Assad did not order the attack, but was it committed by out of control factions within Assad's army and is he losing his grip on power, or was it committed by the rebels and this I don't think is clear. 

Why get bogged down with details when some folks are just itching to get on with it and bomb something! 

[Nickbat]

Looks like the Russians have wrong-footed Obama.