Omega Owners Forum

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  

News:

Welcome to OOF

Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 6 7 8   Go Down

Author Topic: Development.  (Read 5772 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Kevin Wood

  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Alton, Hampshire
  • Posts: 36290
    • Jaguar XE 25t, Westfield
    • View Profile
Re: Development.
« Reply #45 on: 05 April 2014, 21:33:10 »

Fixing a fault isn't development, though. :-\
That depends on the cause...
It may well feature in the process, but will only be part of it. ;)
Logged
Tech2 services currently available. See TheBoy's price list: http://theboy.omegaowners.com/

Kevin Wood

  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Alton, Hampshire
  • Posts: 36290
    • Jaguar XE 25t, Westfield
    • View Profile
Re: Development.
« Reply #46 on: 05 April 2014, 21:37:01 »

Apply it to this thread.

Kevs answer btw is not what I imagined. Why? Did I not explain it well enough. More than likely. Did he apply it to what he knows best. Quite possibly.

Probably got the point accross by now.

Might be ready for Mr Dtm now. If he can be arsed. ;D

For me, and probably others I'd guess, the work environment can be extremely frustrating. The same old problems come up time and time again. Same job done wrong each time it comes through. So what did we do last time? We bodged it. Staff used their ingenuity to fix the fault and get the job through. It's not done correctly, it's not exactly to spec, it cost the company three times as much in time to do, but the customer accepted it and we got paid.

Where's the fault? Well, management don't know. Why? Lack of experience. But ultimately, they failed to implement a fault reporting system. Staff have no way of reporting back a fault. Result? Nobody fixes any faults. More jobs come though and back up the production process. Result less jobs done that day. Result? Less profit. Last 3 or 4 jobs of the day are delivered late because the fault held them up and they don't get done until the next day. Costs are incurred on late fees. The profit from the faulty job is lost, ten fold actually by the time up I add up the knock on effects. Result? Company goes bust. Or at best, is selling fivers for £4 and an accountant might spot it.

This is my world currently. We don't learn as a company. Why? Management see fault finding as a negative. So refuse to accept it stating we must keep looking forward. Ok great, how? No answer. Just keep looking forward.

Ffs. Looking forward is great, but in order to look forward effectively, first the passed needs to be accepted and learned from. Anything else is idiotic.

Now it may be that jobs come through "wrong" for a good reason. But unless you have an effective fault finding process in place, nobody will ever know what that reason is. Good bad or indifferent.

What you're describing to me is a lack of a wrap-up at the end of the project, where the performance of the project is evaluated, lessons are learned and it gets fed back into the process to improve things next time. Well, that and working for complete asshats, of course.
Logged
Tech2 services currently available. See TheBoy's price list: http://theboy.omegaowners.com/

Rods2

  • Omega Lord
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Sandhurst Berkshire
  • Posts: 7604
    • 1999 3.0 Elite Estate
    • View Profile
Re: Development.
« Reply #47 on: 05 April 2014, 21:39:12 »

More than one answer to this, but from an engineering perspective: Finding or being given a problem and creating a solution. As this normally involves research as well, normally called Research and Development and commonly abbreviated to R&D.

Non-engineering solutions can be abstract like a development in your life which means a change of circumstances.

It can also be used generically in engineering like a housing development which is the design and building of one or more houses.

If you are looking for something generic for what humans do then moving something from one place to another covers virtually everything. :y
Logged
US Fracking and Saudi Arabia defending its market share = The good news of an oil glut, lower and lower prices for us and squeaky bum time for Putin!

chrisgixer

  • Guest
Re: Development.
« Reply #48 on: 05 April 2014, 21:39:52 »

Fixing a fault isn't development, though. :-\

Ok, so your customer comes to you with a product to test. Why has he come up with that product? That new idea? IMO, because he saw faults/deficiencies or other products that didn't meet his requirements. 

There's 4 products in the market. This one has wifi but not blutooth. Not having blutooth is a fault in his eyes. This ones has both but the range isn't good enough. Lack of range is a fault with the second product. But we're getting nearer. Third ine has tange but its flimsy. Flimsy is a fault. He wants the best product. 4th is great but costs a fortune. Too expensive is a fault with that one.
 So he concludes no product exists that meats hies needs, develops a new one for testing. Does he find there's no money in it. No profit is a fault with the product.

As a model of development I'm using the word fault as a negative in relation to a situation. Fault may not be the right word, but I hope you get the gist...?

Or do you see a fault with my process? :) if so you could help me with development.
Logged

Stemo

  • Guest
Re: Development.
« Reply #49 on: 05 April 2014, 21:43:38 »

Apply it to this thread.

Kevs answer btw is not what I imagined. Why? Did I not explain it well enough. More than likely. Did he apply it to what he knows best. Quite possibly.

Probably got the point accross by now.

Might be ready for Mr Dtm now. If he can be arsed. ;D

For me, and probably others I'd guess, the work environment can be extremely frustrating. The same old problems come up time and time again. Same job done wrong each time it comes through. So what did we do last time? We bodged it. Staff used their ingenuity to fix the fault and get the job through. It's not done correctly, it's not exactly to spec, it cost the company three times as much in time to do, but the customer accepted it and we got paid.

Where's the fault? Well, management don't know. Why? Lack of experience. But ultimately, they failed to implement a fault reporting system. Staff have no way of reporting back a fault. Result? Nobody fixes any faults. More jobs come though and back up the production process. Result less jobs done that day. Result? Less profit. Last 3 or 4 jobs of the day are delivered late because the fault held them up and they don't get done until the next day. Costs are incurred on late fees. The profit from the faulty job is lost, ten fold actually by the time up I add up the knock on effects. Result? Company goes bust. Or at best, is selling fivers for £4 and an accountant might spot it.

This is my world currently. We don't learn as a company. Why? Management see fault finding as a negative. So refuse to accept it stating we must keep looking forward. Ok great, how? No answer. Just keep looking forward.

Ffs. Looking forward is great, but in order to look forward effectively, first the passed needs to be accepted and learned from. Anything else is idiotic.

Now it may be that jobs come through "wrong" for a good reason. But unless you have an effective fault finding process in place, nobody will ever know what that reason is. Good bad or indifferent.
You say 'by the time I add up the knock on effects'. Is this part of your job or are you just surmising that this is what happens? If it is part of your job to collate the financial cost of delays through faulty workmanship, then you really need to bang some heads together.
If it is not part of your job the are you privy to the actual figures?
Logged

chrisgixer

  • Guest
Re: Development.
« Reply #50 on: 05 April 2014, 21:44:52 »

More than one answer to this, but from an engineering perspective: Finding or being given a problem and creating a solution. As this normally involves research as well, normally called Research and Development and commonly abbreviated to R&D.

Non-engineering solutions can be abstract like a development in your life which means a change of circumstances.

It can also be used generically in engineering like a housing development which is the design and building of one or more houses.

If you are looking for something generic for what humans do then moving something from one place to another covers virtually everything. :y

Ok so "problem" could be a better word than "fault".

Solutions follow. No?
Logged

05omegav6

  • Guest
Re: Development.
« Reply #51 on: 05 April 2014, 21:57:18 »

If solutions to problems don't occur then summat is seriously lacking...
Logged

chrisgixer

  • Guest
Re: Development.
« Reply #52 on: 05 April 2014, 21:58:18 »

Apply it to this thread.

Kevs answer btw is not what I imagined. Why? Did I not explain it well enough. More than likely. Did he apply it to what he knows best. Quite possibly.

Probably got the point accross by now.

Might be ready for Mr Dtm now. If he can be arsed. ;D

For me, and probably others I'd guess, the work environment can be extremely frustrating. The same old problems come up time and time again. Same job done wrong each time it comes through. So what did we do last time? We bodged it. Staff used their ingenuity to fix the fault and get the job through. It's not done correctly, it's not exactly to spec, it cost the company three times as much in time to do, but the customer accepted it and we got paid.

Where's the fault? Well, management don't know. Why? Lack of experience. But ultimately, they failed to implement a fault reporting system. Staff have no way of reporting back a fault. Result? Nobody fixes any faults. More jobs come though and back up the production process. Result less jobs done that day. Result? Less profit. Last 3 or 4 jobs of the day are delivered late because the fault held them up and they don't get done until the next day. Costs are incurred on late fees. The profit from the faulty job is lost, ten fold actually by the time up I add up the knock on effects. Result? Company goes bust. Or at best, is selling fivers for £4 and an accountant might spot it.

This is my world currently. We don't learn as a company. Why? Management see fault finding as a negative. So refuse to accept it stating we must keep looking forward. Ok great, how? No answer. Just keep looking forward.

Ffs. Looking forward is great, but in order to look forward effectively, first the passed needs to be accepted and learned from. Anything else is idiotic.

Now it may be that jobs come through "wrong" for a good reason. But unless you have an effective fault finding process in place, nobody will ever know what that reason is. Good bad or indifferent.
You say 'by the time I add up the knock on effects'. Is this part of your job or are you just surmising that this is what happens? If it is part of your job to collate the financial cost of delays through faulty workmanship, then you really need to bang some heads together.
If it is not part of your job the are you privy to the actual figures?

It's not part of my job as such. My job, all of our jobs, are way and above our position and pay. Not that management are aware.

We see the figures. But not in terms of pound notes, but in time. Time is money in our game. Which is basically production. We all leak over into management, engineering, cleaners, planners in order to get though the day. We have to.

What's kicked all this off is a consultant has been called in to look at our processes. He's basically confirmed almost everything we've said to him, and is up managements arse banging heads together as you say. Not literally but the result is the same.

Due to lack of experience, immaturity, pride, whatever, they are resisting and the company is not developing.

We can talk about the terminology, but we all know the process. Mostly. Its getting the pint across to those that don't get it. For me, it's doing it in an eloquent way that has the right result without blowing my top with frustration. My concern is that it seems SO simple to me, so simple that its doesn't need explaining, it's like walking up the road, that actually I'm assuming too much. That I've sniffed a fraction of info off the consultant and gone too far with it.

A little bit of info can be a dangerous thing. You need ALL the info to make a good decision. I'm out if my area certainly. But these people have my destiny in their control. My mortage. Life style etc. I want them to get it right.
« Last Edit: 05 April 2014, 21:59:59 by chrisgixer »
Logged

Stemo

  • Guest
Re: Development.
« Reply #53 on: 05 April 2014, 22:12:11 »

Right. Then development is not really the issue. Its systems management and quality control.
Logged

chrisgixer

  • Guest
Re: Development.
« Reply #54 on: 05 April 2014, 22:20:01 »

Right. Then development is not really the issue. Its systems management and quality control.

...needs developing. As there is non currently. There's a big blame culture as well.
Logged

chrisgixer

  • Guest
Re: Development.
« Reply #55 on: 05 April 2014, 22:27:04 »

Right. Then development is not really the issue. Its systems management and quality control.

...needs developing. As there is non currently. There's a big blame culture as well.

Actuall, sorry,  I've given you a crap reply. Pudding arrived. ;) ;D

Yes you right. ;)
Logged

chrisgixer

  • Guest
Re: Development.
« Reply #56 on: 05 April 2014, 22:27:56 »

Right. Then development is not really the issue. Its systems management and quality control.

...needs developing. As there is non currently. There's a big blame culture as well.

Actuall, sorry,  I've given you a crap reply. Pudding arrived. ;) ;D

Yes you right. ;)


Although I do see it as development of the management team. I think?
Logged

tigers_gonads

  • Omega Lord
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Kinston Upon Hull
  • Posts: 8593
  • Driving a Honda CR-V which doesn't smell of pee
    • Honda CR-V
    • View Profile
Re: Development.
« Reply #57 on: 05 April 2014, 23:17:33 »

For what its worth ................. to improve what you have  :-\
Logged

pscocoa

  • Omega Baron
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Sandhurst Berkshire
  • Posts: 3749
    • Volvo V90 D5 AWD
    • View Profile
Re: Development.
« Reply #58 on: 05 April 2014, 23:18:32 »

Fault alone doesn't drive development. Fault drives rectification within the boundaries of what someone is prepared to pay. The scenario you gave does not describe fault - it was to do with unsatisfied needs
Logged
[img name=signat_img_resize]http://[/img]

chrisgixer

  • Guest
Re: Development.
« Reply #59 on: 05 April 2014, 23:21:20 »

For what its worth ................. to improve what you have  :-\

Yep, I like that. :y

Company moto is; constant and continuous improvement. ::)


I described it simply as Progress, to one if the managers. Ie, where is it?
Logged
Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 6 7 8   Go Up
 

Page created in 0.044 seconds with 22 queries.