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chrisgixer

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« Reply #75 on: 06 April 2014, 12:47:39 »

Now you're talking of developing and existing product/service/procedure, not a new one. So you pick up my naïve strategy in the right place (as some other mongrel had the idea originally) ;)
Again. I never specified either. You presumed product development. I only ever mentioned "Development" as title. ;)
You'll notice in all my replies I have specifically stated product/service/procedure, and sometimes with an etc on the end ::)

As to the rest, it strikes me you have a grudge/resentment against (your) management, and nothing they will ever do will be right in your eyes. Maybe you're right, I've never met them, so can't comment. You seem to then imply all "management" is flawed/poor  :-\. Remember, most senior management will have a better idea on where the company is heading, even if its not where you want it to go.

As to this year's bright idea, seemingly daft, often American process/ideas that get forced upon us, most are based on good ideas and common sense. But usually get implemented in such a way as to make that more important that anything else, including real work  :'(

So this model I'm asking about. Any comment? ::)
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« Reply #76 on: 06 April 2014, 12:49:50 »

Sounds to me like you need an attitude adjustment at management level before anything will change.

Frankly, if you're leading a team of people you need to appreciate that their knowledge and experience exceeds yours and that your role is to keep them working at maximum efficiency, which includes listening to their moans and taking on board those which are justified.

TB take note /\

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« Reply #77 on: 06 April 2014, 13:06:43 »

The irony is, only the staff have the answers to the faults generally speaking, as the staff have the experience. Lots of experience. Up to 3 times as long in the trade as management on average. Yet the staff are never consulted.

Begs the question, what do we need them for? Numerous experienced staff have left with words along the line of "this place runs quite well. Despite the management" (not because of)
Where have they gone to? Keep in touch. If the product your company produces is (just) profitable despite crap management there may be an opportunity for a team of disgruntled ex employees to start a new company a do a better job.

Its a shrinking market. So the trade shrinks with it. Numerous factories in the trade have closed. This one has a a niche market, that they have personal contacts to get work. It was lucrative. Too lucrative, they made so much money, they didn't need to be efficient to the level they now do.

New markets are being sort out of necessity, and rightly so. BUT.... they are not new markets. They are the markets the current staff left the previously closed factories to work at this company. In short, they are not new markets, they're old markets but new to this company.
These Markets are tuned to death. Minimal profit margin means absolute maximum efficiency. This is the staff mentality generally speaking. So frustration creeps in at the lax management approach. And yes, resentment is present. But could be wiped out at a single stroke. With....?


Development of the current company, as I call it anyway. Our consultant agrees with most of you, that management mentality is.... How can I put it? ...key?

People want progress.
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Re: Development.
« Reply #78 on: 06 April 2014, 15:56:03 »

Sounds to me like you need an attitude adjustment at management level before anything will change.

Frankly, if you're leading a team of people you need to appreciate that their knowledge and experience exceeds yours and that your role is to keep them working at maximum efficiency, which includes listening to their moans and taking on board those which are justified.

TB take note /\

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Eh? I don't manage people any more, haven't for a few years  ???.  I manage platforms and services now. If I need personnel, I have to negotiate and agree with their managers.
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« Reply #79 on: 06 April 2014, 19:48:34 »

See, if you show TB a way out, a direction...let's say a door just as an example.

He will, without fail, exit the room by ANY other route than the perfectly innocent, easy, obvious, one you offer him.

He will clime out the window, knock a hole in the ceiling, make another door, even dig a tunnel. Anything other than the the path you'd like.

Utterly bloody pointless talking to him. ;D
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« Reply #80 on: 06 April 2014, 19:55:29 »

See, if you show TB a way out, a direction...let's say a door just as an example.

He will, without fail, exit the room by ANY other route than the perfectly innocent, easy, obvious, one you offer him.

He will clime out the window, knock a hole in the ceiling, make another door, even dig a tunnel. Anything other than the the path you'd like.

Utterly bloody pointless talking to him. ;D

Ahh .. so what you are saying is ..... he "develops" the exit idea and takes it forward to a new dimension ... surely that's what you wanted him to demonstrate to you ??

Unless your idea of "development" is actually "do as I want" ...

 ;) ;) ;) ;)
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« Reply #81 on: 06 April 2014, 20:20:58 »

See, if you show TB a way out, a direction...let's say a door just as an example.

He will, without fail, exit the room by ANY other route than the perfectly innocent, easy, obvious, one you offer him.

He will clime out the window, knock a hole in the ceiling, make another door, even dig a tunnel. Anything other than the the path you'd like.

Utterly bloody pointless talking to him. ;D

Ahh .. so what you are saying is ..... he "develops" the exit idea and takes it forward to a new dimension ... surely that's what you wanted him to demonstrate to you ??

Unless your idea of "development" is actually "do as I want" ...

 ;) ;) ;) ;)

Nope. What I'm saying is.... HE DOESNT KNOW THE ANSWER. ;D

Fair enough, nobody knows everything. But really... ;D
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chrisgixer

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« Reply #82 on: 06 April 2014, 20:24:37 »

Or, he's giving answers to the questions he knows.

Not the one being asked.

Then it'll be... "Aye? No idea what your on about" and pretend the question, or some minor point, is stupid.
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« Reply #83 on: 06 April 2014, 20:34:22 »

What I find odd is that if your colleagues share your view on what needs to be fixed surely you can collectively request a meeting with management to table your ideas and express your concerns at the threats to the business that will jeopardize livelihoods of employees and result in further loss of profits and at that meeting you articulate the employees ideas to turn it round. If you have incompetent on site management who refuse to act then you need to go through grievance procedures to escalate through to Group. This is the logical way to progress. Take all the emotion out of it and present a focussed position - no mud slinging
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« Reply #84 on: 06 April 2014, 20:46:30 »

What I find odd is that if your colleagues share your view on what needs to be fixed surely you can collectively request a meeting with management to table your ideas and express your concerns at the threats to the business that will jeopardize livelihoods of employees and result in further loss of profits and at that meeting you articulate the employees ideas to turn it round. If you have incompetent on site management who refuse to act then you need to go through grievance procedures to escalate through to Group. This is the logical way to progress. Take all the emotion out of it and present a focussed position - no mud slinging

People have done that, and been laid off. It's come around, the boss has taken it personally, and removed the "problem".

My guess is he's working entirely to his bonus structure and intends to claim that bonus above all else. But then, who sets his bonus and targets..?  :-X
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« Reply #85 on: 06 April 2014, 21:31:34 »

Anyone see any writing on the wall?
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« Reply #86 on: 06 April 2014, 21:47:43 »

See, if you show TB a way out, a direction...let's say a door just as an example.

He will, without fail, exit the room by ANY other route than the perfectly innocent, easy, obvious, one you offer him.

He will clime out the window, knock a hole in the ceiling, make another door, even dig a tunnel. Anything other than the the path you'd like.

Utterly bloody pointless talking to him. ;D
WTF are you on about? I haven't the faintest idea. Does anyone else understand, if so, please let me know, as I'm just the stupid kid from the local comp. Thanks.


You asked a question about "development". I gave my ideal answer of idea > test > refine > repeat from test stage until perfect/good enough/marketable/whatever, depending on what the desire result is. Obviously, if its an existing (whatever), you start the cycle at the relevant point.

I believe that method works in most cases, be it product development, procedural processes, services, personal development/learning, business.
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« Reply #87 on: 06 April 2014, 21:53:00 »

I have studied Gixer for quite some time now. He is on drugs.........deffo.
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« Reply #88 on: 06 April 2014, 21:53:51 »

Do not know where you work Chris but unless employees have signed totally crap contracts you cannot just get laid off for making a suggestion. What you describe belongs in Victorian times even. Question is whether you have strength of belief in your view of what needs to be done and prepared to go through grievance all the way to Group.

Send an anonymous letter to Group if it is so bad - not if you are fearful of being identified.

You need to write down a logical solution and not just list complaints of course
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« Reply #89 on: 06 April 2014, 22:13:20 »

I have studied Gixer for quite some time now. He is on drugs.........deffo.

I'll direct you to post 82.
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