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Re: Engine Loom
« Reply #330 on: 25 March 2015, 13:51:39 »

The way i see it is we are only human and we all make mistakes. But its how you deal with those mistakes What matters, And james came here today at the crack of dawn to sort it...

The inlet cam on bank one was in the wrong slot.No damage done. :y
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« Reply #331 on: 25 March 2015, 13:54:09 »

I hope you demanded a full refund..  :P ;)

(I am kidding, before anyone lynches me)
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« Reply #332 on: 25 March 2015, 14:02:10 »

So inlet cam sprocket was fitted on No1 notch and not No2?

Yep, mistakes happen, particularly after a long hard day when you are tired. The thread hopefully has also been of use to those wanting to see a methodical approach to fault finding  :y
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« Reply #333 on: 25 March 2015, 14:10:25 »

So inlet cam sprocket was fitted on No1 notch and not No2?

Yep, mistakes happen, particularly after a long hard day when you are tired. The thread hopefully has also been of use to those wanting to see a methodical approach to fault finding  :y
Yes mark that is what had happened.

And yes i do think tiredness came into a lot on this one, Also along with james not feeling too well..

I have found the whole thing an education.. I would now feel confident doing cam covers on a V6...ive seen it done so many times now. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #334 on: 25 March 2015, 14:12:00 »

The resistance in the original loom was going to be my first shout... ::)
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« Reply #335 on: 25 March 2015, 14:17:01 »

The resistance in the original loom was going to be my first shout... ::)

Ha ha, but proven not to be as per the test yesterday on volt drop  :y
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« Reply #336 on: 25 March 2015, 14:18:44 »

The resistance in the original loom was going to be my first shout... ::)

Ha ha, but proven not to be as per the test yesterday on volt drop  :y
It had a new loom too  :y
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« Reply #337 on: 25 March 2015, 14:20:01 »

The resistance in the original loom was going to be my first shout... ::)

Ha ha, but proven not to be as per the test yesterday on volt drop  :y
It had a new loom too  :y
So the new loom tested good... Which is a relief ;D
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« Reply #338 on: 25 March 2015, 14:35:53 »

The resistance in the original loom was going to be my first shout... ::)

Ha ha, but proven not to be as per the test yesterday on volt drop  :y
It had a new loom too  :y
So the new loom tested good... Which is a relief ;D
There was nothing wrong with the old one  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #339 on: 25 March 2015, 14:45:01 »

Which was potentially a silly thing to do .....more unknowns and a major change which could have introduced a whole host of additional red herrings and issues.....hence why I asked what else had been done  :y
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Re: Engine Loom
« Reply #340 on: 25 March 2015, 15:03:41 »

OK well firstly, it goes without saying, I am genuinely, enormously embarrassed  :-[ I have been working intimately on these V6 lumps for around 8 years, and am very aware of camshaft identifications, cap rotations, and how the sprockets align to the keyways on each bank. The fact that I somehow fitted the 1-3-5 inlet cam onto the number 1 keyway is absolutely beyond belief, I am absolutely gutted, and can only apologise :( I guess he who never made a mistake..  :-\

Anyway, so - the new 1-3-5 misfire, introduced after the work I did replacing the 2-4-6 head, was basically a silly mistake by me, which is now sorted, and that misfire has gone.

Back to the original problem - The original complaint (the reason I went to look at the car in the first place) was a misfire on the 2-4-6 bank immediately following Cambelt / servicing work. Low compression was found on that bank, and damage to the piston crowns/valve seat etc which is why I changed the head.

This problem is now sorted, with good compressions, with a new head in place, and the 2-4-6 misfire has gone. So the work we did by changing the 246 head, aside of the hiccup/delay, has fixed the original complaint.

I Guess we'll never know, but I am intrigued as to why it was fine before the work was done, and immediately afterwards was misfiring on the 2-4-6 bank. There are absolutely no signs of any poor workmanship, and also I Can't think of any possible way that a foreign object could get into each of the three cylinders on that side anyway...

So what was the cause of the initial complaint - the reason this thread was started? I'm just asking for my own learning, as in my mind, it is still a mystery unsolved  :-\

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I hope you demanded a full refund..

Seeing as this was done on a "bung me whatever you think it's worth" basis, my only expectation was really a few beers, so that would be kinda difficult... but needless to say I am pleased with Steve's generous donation :y :P :y




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« Reply #341 on: 25 March 2015, 15:12:49 »

Well you could refund the beers ... but I'm not sure he'd want them back once they've been drunk! ;)

At least it's back to full health, even if we might never know what caused the 2-4-6 bank to lunch itself.
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Re: Engine Loom
« Reply #342 on: 25 March 2015, 15:16:00 »

James   What did you do with my one and only car key. :-\ Can you check your pockets  :y
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« Reply #343 on: 25 March 2015, 15:17:38 »

The thread hopefully has also been of use to those wanting to see a methodical approach to fault finding  :y

One thing really annoying me, is that to begin with, I took this exact approach. The complaint was a misfire, so I checked the real basics - eg compression to start with - and found this to be the cause, then pulling off the head for investigation and later replacement.

At this point, when I reassembled it, I purposely didn't fit the new loom, because I was applying the theory I learnt from Mark some time ago - fix the known faults first - and wanted to run it with the original loom to ascertain that it was the compression causing the problem - and discount a loom issue.

I have to openly admit that, when the 1-3-5 misfire came about, I should have retraced my steps (eg looked at the cams) instead of looking for other causes. Especially as there was never a 1-3-5 misfire there before! It's absolutely no excuse, but I guess I had read so much on here about the loom being suspect that I just kind of went along with it.

That's entirely my fault - I should have gone straight back to basis and checked what was disturbed on 1-3-5 - which was just the two cams, to allow us to rotate the crank to inspect the bores on the other side.

Good learning curve though, won't do that again. I guess all is well that ends well, I have been behind the wheel of this car today and it absolutely flies.. :y

I'm still mystified by what could have caused the damage to all three cylinders and the low compression though.

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Re: Engine Loom
« Reply #344 on: 25 March 2015, 15:18:17 »

James   What did you do with my one and only car key. :-\ Can you check your pockets  :y

I saw it next to the draining board in your kitchen as I left - on the right :y
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