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[henryd]

Got back last night and I am not feeling 100% so I didn't get to it till this morning.  I tried starting again and the issue remains.  Fully charged battery but when I try to start it will not turn over.  I hear the solenoid kick in but the motor does not turn.  It also feels like there is a short because the whole car electrics die and you get the reset noise when you reconnect the battery.

So I have whipped off the intercooler and taken out the starter motor.  All the pos and earth wiring looks ok.  I dont know if there are any earths under the car but the one which goes direct to the starter motor seems good.  I put the motor on a bench and tested it.  Solenoid kicks in nicely and the motor turns.

So I am a little stuck.  The engine turns over manually in gear (tried pulling several feet with the towbar and no lockup).  The starter is fine.  Clutch engagement/disengagement is fine (visual check anyway).  My only theory is that the engine mounts are worn (fits with something else) and when I was joining the DC I must have changed gears too briskly and caused the block to move on its mounts.  This in turn may have knocked the motor a few mm which would prevent the teeth from engaging on the flywheel and a short in the motor.  Or that the motor just needed manually turning a bit because it was in a dead spot. 

Thoughts?

If the mounts were gone it wouldn't affect the relationship between engine/gearbox/starter motor meshing up,if the starter works on the bench its more likely to be a poor ground connection at either battery,body or engine /gearbox

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Might be worth installing a new earth from the battery and try earthing it to different places - engine block, chassis etc. to see if it makes a difference. If it did, it would confirm you have a dodgy earth connection somewhere.

[sjc]

What does your battery voltage drop to when you're cranking the starter?

I've had several batteries in the early stages of failure where they'd show a good voltage but wouldn't deliver decent amps to turn the engine and the voltage would drop so low that everything electrical in the car would reset - radio, windows, sunroof, the lot.

Have you tried a known good battery?

[Gaffers]

Beat me to it sjc. Just rebuilt everything and still no joy. Must be the battery.

break...

[Gaffers]

Ok, looks like it a more serious problem.  I think it may have seized.  I tried the new battery same problem.  Checked all the voltages again, no problems.  Took off the aux belt to try and turn the crank and it wont budge.  Not even a bit.

Yours, frustrated of Camberley.

[Doctor Gollum]

Chain or belt driven?

Possibly jumped due to worn tensioner(s) when you fluffed the gear change... unless jumping out of gear was a result of seizing More digging required. What you find might not be pretty though

[aaronjb]

What year is the Legacy?

ISTR that for some years a snapped crank is not all that uncommon.

[Gaffers]

2009 Legacy Boxer Diesel EE20.  I think it's a chain but I might be wrong.

[Doctor Gollum]

What year is the Legacy?

ISTR that a snapped crank is not all that uncommon.

Fixed. And not necessarily due to age/mileage

[Gaffers]

Well, it's write-off.  New engine is twice even the most generous of valuations so I shall go down the route with the garage that sold it to me 15 months ago and see what they say

[Doctor Gollum]

Well, it's write-off.  New engine is twice even the most generous of valuations so I shall go down the route with the garage that sold it to me 15 months ago and see what they say

Good luck, but a pity as they're not bad cars

[henryd]

Well, it's write-off.  New engine is twice even the most generous of valuations so I shall go down the route with the garage that sold it to me 15 months ago and see what they say

Think you might struggle 15 months on but good luck

[TD]

Well, it's write-off.  New engine is twice even the most generous of valuations so I shall go down the route with the garage that sold it to me 15 months ago and see what they say

Is that a brand spankers new engine?

You might want to contact a diesel specialist...

The Fiat Scudo that I had, I took (or it got recovered to be more accurate) when the engine in that went bang....to a specialist...

They looked at what was wrong with the engine and gave me 3 choices....

Brand spankers new engine....fitted for £4k
Engine repaired .... £3k
Second hand reconditioned replacement with 3 month warranty fitted... £1400

Guess which option I went for ...  And got shot pdq after the repair 

[Gaffers]

Options i have:

1 nearly new 8k
2 older but good condition with warranty 4k
3 one from a breaker. No warranty, engine already has a knock (not sure if just a lifter) 400 ish quid.

Thats ebay, internet pages and scoobie forums checked.  Although my old man has found a working block (no starter, alternator, etc) in the US for $2300 + delivery

[Doctor Gollum]

If you're going second hand, budget for a new crank...