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[tunnie]

The fact remains James you have 18 people onboard a van which is underpowered when its empty!

Its restricted to 60 for a damn good reason, so do 60!

Don't attempt any over taking on a single carriageway, think and plan ahead.

By your definition James all trucks (UK plated and purchased in the UK) at least are Dangerous because they are limited? They don't have the 'power' to get out of the way?

You do NOT need power to get out of a situation, that's just the fools answer.

A transit with 130bhp, with 18 people on board is going to have NO power what so ever! You think at 60 you slam it in 3rd and put your foot down its going to roar off like a V6? 'dangle berries', it won't go anyware, belive me i tried, it will make a hell of a lot of noise, but your forward velocity will not increase!

Fact remains if you have 18 people on board, and smash into something doing 80mph, you will probably all be dead. You won't have the time to react, the van won't be able do anything cause it will be too heavy and won't brake or turn!

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Regarding trucks restricted to 56mph, how come I see so many, over the years doing around 70mph and not down a steap hill.

No idea, are they maybe from other countries, where they're not limited as standard?   :-/

Or a driver who has disconnected the limiter and taken out the fuse from his tacho?

And before anyone says it is not done, only three years ago a HGV1 driver I knew was doing it fairly regularly!

He was caught stealing diesel in the end. 8-) 8-) 8-)

[Mr Skrunts]

Maybe said van driver any myself are in a minority with our views...

but on a practical level, I personally feel that drivers should be at a level that they're competent enough to assess the road conditions and adjust speed acordingly - without the vehicle having to be limited to compensate for this.

Thing is Tunnie, it's not just the minibus. Don't get me wrong, I'm no angel and we've all gone too fast at some point, but I've read threads here where members claim to have driven on public roads at 140mph..

At that speed, get a blowout, and you could easily roll it several times onto the opposite carriageway and cause just as much carnaige.. especially if you take out a van/coach load of people with you...

Given your views that restricting is good, and the possibility that a speeding (passenger car) driver could just as easily CAUSE an accident to a bus full of  people, do you think all road going cars should be limited to 70mph?    

I feel competant at the speeds I drive at what ever they are, sadly other are not allways the same.

When I was 24 maybe I would share your argument and agree with you, sadly at 47 I dont.

Cars limited to 70 Mph . . . Bit of a difference in seating capacity and size the to make a reliable comparison.

Think about this.  A car with 3 passengers has 3 possible distractions talking to the driver.

A mini bus with 17 passenger has 17 possible distraction to a driver.

Even if the bus was limited to 70mph I still feel you would be complaining that you needed an extra 10 mph to get past slow traffic.

Conclussion, allways drive with in the vechicles limits.  Even if they have a sticker telling you what they are.

[JamesV6CDX]

The fact remains James you have 18 people onboard a van which is underpowered when its empty!

Its restricted to 60 for a darn good reason, so do 60!

Don't attempt any over taking on a single carriageway, think and plan ahead.

By your definition James all trucks (UK plated and purchased in the UK) at least are Dangerous because they are limited? They don't have the 'power' to get out of the way?

You do NOT need power to get out of a situation, that's just the fools answer. On many a motorway blast you see a mini bus minding its own business doing 60.

And come on ffs! A transit with 130bhp, with 18 people on board is going to have NO power once so ever! You think at 60 you slam it in 3rd and put your foot down its going to roar off like a V6? 'dangle berries', it won't go anyware, belive me i tried, it will make a hell of a lot of noise, but your forward velocity will not increase!

Fact remains if you have 18 people on board, and smash into something doing 80mph, you will probably all be dead. You won't have the time to react, the van won't be able do anything cause it will be too heavy and won't brake or turn!

 

What do you think about limiting all cars to 70mph too? I understand they carry less passengers and can handle better than a van, but, It can't hurt to limit them to 70, if that's the highest UK speed limit?

Would your opinion on buying that Monaro change if it was limited to 70mph?

[JamesV6CDX]

You do NOT need power to get out of a situation, that's just the fools answer.

 

I can think of situations (in various vehicles) when I've thought "oops, bad judgement call, should have hung back" and been able to safely accellerate out of a potentialy dodgey situation...  

You really have a way with words, sometimes  

[tunnie]

The fact remains James you have 18 people onboard a van which is underpowered when its empty!

Its restricted to 60 for a darn good reason, so do 60!

Don't attempt any over taking on a single carriageway, think and plan ahead.

By your definition James all trucks (UK plated and purchased in the UK) at least are Dangerous because they are limited? They don't have the 'power' to get out of the way?

You do NOT need power to get out of a situation, that's just the fools answer. On many a motorway blast you see a mini bus minding its own business doing 60.

And come on ffs! A transit with 130bhp, with 18 people on board is going to have NO power once so ever! You think at 60 you slam it in 3rd and put your foot down its going to roar off like a V6? 'dangle berries', it won't go anyware, belive me i tried, it will make a hell of a lot of noise, but your forward velocity will not increase!

Fact remains if you have 18 people on board, and smash into something doing 80mph, you will probably all be dead. You won't have the time to react, the van won't be able do anything cause it will be too heavy and won't brake or turn!

 

What do you think about limiting all cars to 70mph too? I understand they carry less passengers and can handle better than a van, but, It can't hurt to limit them to 70, if that's the highest UK speed limit?

Would your opinion on that Monaro change if it was limited to 70mph?

A mini bus is a public service vehicle, it is responsible for a lives. Hence the restriction, is selfish of the driver to charge around in a van full of people. Your own car, be it a Monaro or Omega is another story, its yours, and yours alone.

If your transporting 18 people in a Van and it hits a parked car doing 75 mph, questions would be asked! Its limited to protect the hire company and save lives.

[tunnie]

You do NOT need power to get out of a situation, that's just the fools answer.

 

I can think of situations (in various vehicles) when I've thought "oops, bad judgement call, should have hung back" and been able to safely accellerate out of a potentialy dodgey situation...  

You really have a way with words, sometimes  

Rubbish, why do you always need to 'power' out of problems? Just press the pedal in the middle!

Why race into trouble when you can pull back.

If your in a head on collision, why accelerate into it? Increasing the danger?

If you both brake its a lot safer

[JamesV6CDX]

The fact remains James you have 18 people onboard a van which is underpowered when its empty!

Its restricted to 60 for a darn good reason, so do 60!

Don't attempt any over taking on a single carriageway, think and plan ahead.

By your definition James all trucks (UK plated and purchased in the UK) at least are Dangerous because they are limited? They don't have the 'power' to get out of the way?

You do NOT need power to get out of a situation, that's just the fools answer. On many a motorway blast you see a mini bus minding its own business doing 60.

And come on ffs! A transit with 130bhp, with 18 people on board is going to have NO power once so ever! You think at 60 you slam it in 3rd and put your foot down its going to roar off like a V6? 'dangle berries', it won't go anyware, belive me i tried, it will make a hell of a lot of noise, but your forward velocity will not increase!

Fact remains if you have 18 people on board, and smash into something doing 80mph, you will probably all be dead. You won't have the time to react, the van won't be able do anything cause it will be too heavy and won't brake or turn!

 

What do you think about limiting all cars to 70mph too? I understand they carry less passengers and can handle better than a van, but, It can't hurt to limit them to 70, if that's the highest UK speed limit?

Would your opinion on that Monaro change if it was limited to 70mph?

A mini bus is a public service vehicle, it is responsible for a lives. Hence the restriction, is selfish of the driver to charge around in a van full of people. Your own car, be it a Monaro or Omega is another story, its yours, and yours alone.

If your transporting 18 people in a Van and it hits a parked car doing 75 mph, questions would be asked! Its limited to protect the hire company and save lives.

No!! Just because it's your own, doesn't mean it's "yours alone" when on a public road, you need to consider other road users when driving it, therefore it's just as important not to speed in a car!

A car could just as easily have a blow out and swerve into a PSV full of kids etc..

[tunnie]

The fact remains James you have 18 people onboard a van which is underpowered when its empty!

Its restricted to 60 for a darn good reason, so do 60!

Don't attempt any over taking on a single carriageway, think and plan ahead.

By your definition James all trucks (UK plated and purchased in the UK) at least are Dangerous because they are limited? They don't have the 'power' to get out of the way?

You do NOT need power to get out of a situation, that's just the fools answer. On many a motorway blast you see a mini bus minding its own business doing 60.

And come on ffs! A transit with 130bhp, with 18 people on board is going to have NO power once so ever! You think at 60 you slam it in 3rd and put your foot down its going to roar off like a V6? 'dangle berries', it won't go anyware, belive me i tried, it will make a hell of a lot of noise, but your forward velocity will not increase!

Fact remains if you have 18 people on board, and smash into something doing 80mph, you will probably all be dead. You won't have the time to react, the van won't be able do anything cause it will be too heavy and won't brake or turn!

 

What do you think about limiting all cars to 70mph too? I understand they carry less passengers and can handle better than a van, but, It can't hurt to limit them to 70, if that's the highest UK speed limit?

Would your opinion on that Monaro change if it was limited to 70mph?

A mini bus is a public service vehicle, it is responsible for a lives. Hence the restriction, is selfish of the driver to charge around in a van full of people. Your own car, be it a Monaro or Omega is another story, its yours, and yours alone.

If your transporting 18 people in a Van and it hits a parked car doing 75 mph, questions would be asked! Its limited to protect the hire company and save lives.

No!! Just because it's your own, doesn't mean it's "yours alone" when on a public road, you need to consider other road users when driving it, therefore it's just as important not to speed in a car!

A car could just as easily have a blow out and swerve into a PSV full of kids etc..

Exactly.

If the minibus was doing 60, chances are it would not be too bad. What if the minibus was doing 75?

[JamesV6CDX]

The fact remains James you have 18 people onboard a van which is underpowered when its empty!

Its restricted to 60 for a darn good reason, so do 60!

Don't attempt any over taking on a single carriageway, think and plan ahead.

By your definition James all trucks (UK plated and purchased in the UK) at least are Dangerous because they are limited? They don't have the 'power' to get out of the way?

You do NOT need power to get out of a situation, that's just the fools answer. On many a motorway blast you see a mini bus minding its own business doing 60.

And come on ffs! A transit with 130bhp, with 18 people on board is going to have NO power once so ever! You think at 60 you slam it in 3rd and put your foot down its going to roar off like a V6? 'dangle berries', it won't go anyware, belive me i tried, it will make a hell of a lot of noise, but your forward velocity will not increase!

Fact remains if you have 18 people on board, and smash into something doing 80mph, you will probably all be dead. You won't have the time to react, the van won't be able do anything cause it will be too heavy and won't brake or turn!

 

What do you think about limiting all cars to 70mph too? I understand they carry less passengers and can handle better than a van, but, It can't hurt to limit them to 70, if that's the highest UK speed limit?

Would your opinion on that Monaro change if it was limited to 70mph?

A mini bus is a public service vehicle, it is responsible for a lives. Hence the restriction, is selfish of the driver to charge around in a van full of people. Your own car, be it a Monaro or Omega is another story, its yours, and yours alone.

If your transporting 18 people in a Van and it hits a parked car doing 75 mph, questions would be asked! Its limited to protect the hire company and save lives.

No!! Just because it's your own, doesn't mean it's "yours alone" when on a public road, you need to consider other road users when driving it, therefore it's just as important not to speed in a car!

A car could just as easily have a blow out and swerve into a PSV full of kids etc..

Exactly.

If the minibus was doing 60, chances are it would not be too bad. What if the minibus was doing 75?

What if a car was doing 85, had a blowout, and wrote of a buss full of people in the process. Maybe if it was only doing 70, it might have been able to control it.

So limit cars to 70?

[tunnie]

Your not getting it are you?  :-/

A mini-bus is a public service vehicle, like a London Double decker busses they are limited for a reason, to protect the passengers, driver, and most likely the engine!    

Its the law that minibuses are limited.

"Meanwhile, from January 1, 2008 new speed limits come into force for commercial vehicles over 3.5 tonnes, while passenger-carrying vehicles such as minibuses with more than nine seats are speed limited to 60 mph."

Its the fact its a public service vehicle and not a private motorcar.

A mini-bus limited to 60, is not dangerous. What is dangerous is the moron behind the wheel wishing it would go faster at attempting inappropriate overtaking!  

[Vamps]

You do NOT need power to get out of a situation, that's just the fools answer.

 

I can think of situations (in various vehicles) when I've thought "oops, bad judgement call, should have hung back" and been able to safely accellerate out of a potentialy dodgey situation...  

You really have a way with words, sometimes  

I have to agree with this, on occasions, I have found power over braking has been better.

And I have, IAM, Full Bike, HGV and PSV so have driven a wide range of vehicles over many years. However the main thing is to drive, whatever you are driving, within the limits of the vehicle.

[JamesV6CDX]

What you're not getting, is that just because a private car is not a public service vehicle, if that CAR has a moron behind the wheel who is speeding, that could have a DIRECT RESULT on a public service vehicle, as a result of how the driver of that public car is behaving.

The driver of a car, if he or she is a "moron" as you put it, could by inappropriate use of speed, cause an accident that could INVOLVE a public service vehicle.

Therefore why not limit cars to 70mph, to reduce that risk too?

I'm not disagreeing with what you say, but you don't seem to be getting that just because a car doesn't carry a lot of passengers, if driven badly it can still cause just as much carnaige if it HITS a vehicle carrying a large number of people..

[JamesV6CDX]

You do NOT need power to get out of a situation, that's just the fools answer.

 

I can think of situations (in various vehicles) when I've thought "oops, bad judgement call, should have hung back" and been able to safely accellerate out of a potentialy dodgey situation...  

You really have a way with words, sometimes  

I have to agree with this, on occasions, I have found power over braking has been better.

And I have, IAM, Full Bike, HGV and PSV so have driven a wide range of vehicles over many years. However the main thing is to drive, whatever you are driving, within the limits of the vehicle.

Recently, I pulled out and, hands up, misjudged the speed of the vehicle approaching behind me.

Therefore I compensated by accellerating as quick as I could, up to the speed limit, to minimise that danger.

I don't see how that can be a "fools" answer...

Yes, in an ideal world it would have been better not to pull out, but, visibility was awful and we're all human after all, mistakes can be made, but it's good to have the capability to compensate for them..

[tunnie]

Back to the original point of this topic.

A limiter is not dangerous.