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[Mr Skrunts]

You do NOT need power to get out of a situation, that's just the fools answer.

 

I can think of situations (in various vehicles) when I've thought "oops, bad judgement call, should have hung back" and been able to safely accellerate out of a potentialy dodgey situation...  

You really have a way with words, sometimes  

I have to agree with this, on occasions, I have found power over braking has been better.

And I have, IAM, Full Bike, HGV and PSV so have driven a wide range of vehicles over many years. However the main thing is to drive, whatever you are driving, within the limits of the vehicle.

Power is one thing but speed is annother.

The Mini Bus was limited to 60mph, not the ammount of power it has.  The power available todo a swift manouvre was hampered wih it being fully laden/overladen.

I am so glad this is not a thread that started "What should we do, we had an accidet in a fully loaded transit today"

[tunnie]

You do NOT need power to get out of a situation, that's just the fools answer.

 

I can think of situations (in various vehicles) when I've thought "oops, bad judgement call, should have hung back" and been able to safely accellerate out of a potentialy dodgey situation...  

You really have a way with words, sometimes  

I have to agree with this, on occasions, I have found power over braking has been better.

And I have, IAM, Full Bike, HGV and PSV so have driven a wide range of vehicles over many years. However the main thing is to drive, whatever you are driving, within the limits of the vehicle.

Recently, I pulled out and, hands up, misjudged the speed of the vehicle approaching behind me.

Therefore I compensated by accellerating as quick as I could, up to the speed limit, to minimise that danger.

I don't see how that can be a "fools" answer...

FFS!

You are in a 3.0 V6!

Do the same thing in a mini bus? Whats it gunna do? fek all!  

[JamesV6CDX]

You do NOT need power to get out of a situation, that's just the fools answer.

 

I can think of situations (in various vehicles) when I've thought "oops, bad judgement call, should have hung back" and been able to safely accellerate out of a potentialy dodgey situation...  

You really have a way with words, sometimes  

I have to agree with this, on occasions, I have found power over braking has been better.

And I have, IAM, Full Bike, HGV and PSV so have driven a wide range of vehicles over many years. However the main thing is to drive, whatever you are driving, within the limits of the vehicle.

Recently, I pulled out and, hands up, misjudged the speed of the vehicle approaching behind me.

Therefore I compensated by accellerating as quick as I could, up to the speed limit, to minimise that danger.

I don't see how that can be a "fools" answer...

FFS!

You are in a 3.0 V6!

Do the same thing in a mini bus? Whats it gunna do? fek all!  

Indeed, but, it goes to show that the statement about using power to get out of a situation being a fools answer is a little generic, and not specific to every situation...

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I hear what you are saying James, but statically how many lives have been lost in coaches and minibuses due to them being driven badly as oppossed to them crashing due to car drivers incompetance? :-? :-?

Let's face it bus v. car and there is usually one winner.

Minibus v. car not so certain, granted, but the car will usually come off worse.

[tunnie]

You do NOT need power to get out of a situation, that's just the fools answer.

 

I can think of situations (in various vehicles) when I've thought "oops, bad judgement call, should have hung back" and been able to safely accellerate out of a potentialy dodgey situation...  

You really have a way with words, sometimes  

I have to agree with this, on occasions, I have found power over braking has been better.

And I have, IAM, Full Bike, HGV and PSV so have driven a wide range of vehicles over many years. However the main thing is to drive, whatever you are driving, within the limits of the vehicle.

Recently, I pulled out and, hands up, misjudged the speed of the vehicle approaching behind me.

Therefore I compensated by accellerating as quick as I could, up to the speed limit, to minimise that danger.

I don't see how that can be a "fools" answer...

FFS!

You are in a 3.0 V6!

Do the same thing in a mini bus? Whats it gunna do? fek all!  

Indeed, but, it goes to show that the statement about using power to get out of a situation being a fools answer is a little generic, and not specific to every situation...

I/We are talking about vans here   - Van's don't have any power!

I have tried overtaking with a Transit myself, bloody dangerous, i shoved it in 3rd, at just under 60 tried to over take, had nothing it was gutless. That was in a empty van!

[hotel21]

About 18 of us today, in a 08 reg Ford Transit Minibus turbo diesel.

Trying to get to our destination a bit swiftly... and the bl00dy thing would only do just over 60mph, foot to the floor, in any gear, on the motorway.

We pulled from lane 1 to lane 2 to try and overtake a slowing lorry, but in the end when the lorry sped up we had to back off and pull back in behind it.

The driver, next to me (an experienced persuit driver) was tearing his heir out with it, calling it all the names under the sun, until we noticed the sticker: "Limited to 60mph".

His view was, that the limiter put us in a dangerous position, when we'd began an overtaking manouver, needed an extra burst of power to get by, and didn't have it available... I must say I'm inclined to agree with him.

What's the idea of limiting these things? I think it does more harm than good, and certainly inconvenienced a lot of people behind us...

I have fast forwarded from initial post to the last, without reading any thats been posted in between....

Whats the legal maximum speed of the van on a UK road?  Could that be why its limited?

How many in it?  About 18?  Guess thats the driver plus 16 passengers seated then.  Where was the other one sitting??   :-?  

[tunnie]

i think even without a limiter with 18 people onboard it was barley going to touch 60 anyway!  

[TheBoy]

About 18 of us today, in a 08 reg Ford Transit Minibus turbo diesel.

Trying to get to our destination a bit swiftly... and the bl00dy thing would only do just over 60mph, foot to the floor, in any gear, on the motorway.

We pulled from lane 1 to lane 2 to try and overtake a slowing lorry, but in the end when the lorry sped up we had to back off and pull back in behind it.

The driver, next to me (an experienced persuit driver) was tearing his heir out with it, calling it all the names under the sun, until we noticed the sticker: "Limited to 60mph".

His view was, that the limiter put us in a dangerous position, when we'd began an overtaking manouver, needed an extra burst of power to get by, and didn't have it available... I must say I'm inclined to agree with him.

What's the idea of limiting these things? I think it does more harm than good, and certainly inconvenienced a lot of people behind us...

I have fast forwarded from initial post to the last, without reading any thats been posted in between....

Whats the legal maximum speed of the van on a UK road?  Could that be why its limited?

How many in it?  About 18?  Guess thats the driver plus 16 passengers seated then.  Where was the other one sitting??   :-?  

I too haven't read thread.  But the number of crashed minibuses due to driver inexperience makes limiting a goo thing.

[Vamps]

You do NOT need power to get out of a situation, that's just the fools answer.

 

I can think of situations (in various vehicles) when I've thought "oops, bad judgement call, should have hung back" and been able to safely accellerate out of a potentialy dodgey situation...  

You really have a way with words, sometimes  

I have to agree with this, on occasions, I have found power over braking has been better.

And I have, IAM, Full Bike, HGV and PSV so have driven a wide range of vehicles over many years. However the main thing is to drive, whatever you are driving, within the limits of the vehicle.

Power is one thing but speed is annother.

The Mini Bus was limited to 60mph, not the ammount of power it has.  The power available todo a swift manouvre was hampered wih it being fully laden/overladen.
I am so glad this is not a thread that started "What should we do, we had an accidet in a fully loaded transit today"

As would be the case in and fully laden vehicle, just drive within it,s limits.  Talking of loaded vehicles, how many car accidents are caused in the summer with overloaded family cars, driven be a driver that, for the most part, is the only one in the car. :question The car suddenly drives, slows and stops much different to what the driver is used to.

[albitz]

For what its worth,imo James is right.The limiter is removing one of your options.Always better to have all options available and an experienced/trained/educated driver using judgement on which option to use in a given situation.

[JamesV6CDX]

I get the impression some are looking for someone to flame, tonight?

There have been threads posted about members travelling at near on 140mph which clearly WASN'T on a private track ( http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1185116237/40 )

Nobody got flamed for this, but seem very keen to split hairs over a few MPH in a van.

I don't pretend to know everything - I don't, far from it. But, it would be nice if things could be kept a little more civil and friendly, as per the nature of this forum.

[Vamps]

About 18 of us today, in a 08 reg Ford Transit Minibus turbo diesel.

Trying to get to our destination a bit swiftly... and the bl00dy thing would only do just over 60mph, foot to the floor, in any gear, on the motorway.

We pulled from lane 1 to lane 2 to try and overtake a slowing lorry, but in the end when the lorry sped up we had to back off and pull back in behind it.

The driver, next to me (an experienced persuit driver) was tearing his heir out with it, calling it all the names under the sun, until we noticed the sticker: "Limited to 60mph".

His view was, that the limiter put us in a dangerous position, when we'd began an overtaking manouver, needed an extra burst of power to get by, and didn't have it available... I must say I'm inclined to agree with him.

What's the idea of limiting these things? I think it does more harm than good, and certainly inconvenienced a lot of people behind us...

I have fast forwarded from initial post to the last, without reading any thats been posted in between....

Whats the legal maximum speed of the van on a UK road?  Could that be why its limited?

How many in it?  About 18? Guess thats the driver plus 16 passengers seated then.  Where was the other one sitting??   :-?  

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My question exactly :-/

[tunnie]

About 18 of us today, in a 08 reg Ford Transit Minibus turbo diesel.

Trying to get to our destination a bit swiftly... and the bl00dy thing would only do just over 60mph, foot to the floor, in any gear, on the motorway.

We pulled from lane 1 to lane 2 to try and overtake a slowing lorry, but in the end when the lorry sped up we had to back off and pull back in behind it.

The driver, next to me (an experienced persuit driver) was tearing his heir out with it, calling it all the names under the sun, until we noticed the sticker: "Limited to 60mph".

His view was, that the limiter put us in a dangerous position, when we'd began an overtaking manouver, needed an extra burst of power to get by, and didn't have it available... I must say I'm inclined to agree with him.

What's the idea of limiting these things? I think it does more harm than good, and certainly inconvenienced a lot of people behind us...

I have fast forwarded from initial post to the last, without reading any thats been posted in between....

Whats the legal maximum speed of the van on a UK road?  Could that be why its limited?

How many in it?  About 18? Guess thats the driver plus 16 passengers seated then.  Where was the other one sitting??   :-?  

[/highlight]

My question exactly :-/

Strapped to the roof?

[JamesV6CDX]

About 18 of us today, in a 08 reg Ford Transit Minibus turbo diesel.

Trying to get to our destination a bit swiftly... and the bl00dy thing would only do just over 60mph, foot to the floor, in any gear, on the motorway.

We pulled from lane 1 to lane 2 to try and overtake a slowing lorry, but in the end when the lorry sped up we had to back off and pull back in behind it.

The driver, next to me (an experienced persuit driver) was tearing his heir out with it, calling it all the names under the sun, until we noticed the sticker: "Limited to 60mph".

His view was, that the limiter put us in a dangerous position, when we'd began an overtaking manouver, needed an extra burst of power to get by, and didn't have it available... I must say I'm inclined to agree with him.

What's the idea of limiting these things? I think it does more harm than good, and certainly inconvenienced a lot of people behind us...

I have fast forwarded from initial post to the last, without reading any thats been posted in between....

Whats the legal maximum speed of the van on a UK road?  Could that be why its limited?

How many in it?  About 18?  Guess thats the driver plus 16 passengers seated then.  Where was the other one sitting??   :-?  

Broocie, just out of interest, what would your view be on limiting cars in a simelar way?

As I have explained in other posts, I say ABOUT 18, because some travelled by car and I don't know the exact number.

Everyone had a seat and belt though, so I don't think we were over...

[TheBoy]

i think even without a limiter with 18 people onboard it was barley going to touch 60 anyway!  

My old transit that I had for work, which on a weighbridge breached 3t (even though max gross weight was supposed to be 2.8t), and with 2 ladders on the roof, would sit at a ton all day long up and down the M1.

That was a K reg 2.5 non turbo diesel, and was certainly no slouch.

Transits handle reasonably well, but will bite you if you overcook it, usually with no warning - the number of times I had mine facing the wrong way