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[tunnie]

Broocie, just out of interest, what would your view be on limiting cars in a simelar way?

As I have explained in other posts, I say ABOUT 18, because some travelled by car and I don't know the exact number.

Everyone had a seat and belt though, so I don't think we were over...

Cars are already limited to 158 mph, if I recall.  You know the uproar that causes at the moment, imagine taking it to 70??  Especially if the Autobahn (non) limit is still available?

As long as each seat had an arse on it and none left over, than thats the 'about 18' covered....  

afaik its only the german (saloon) cars which are restricted,under a voluntary agreement to appease the the h&s/tree hugging lobby.  :-/

Dont think so.  Agreement is between all mainline manufacturers, as far as I understand it.....  

I think it started off in Germany though? They all had to be bigger better and faster, all pushing 200mph barrier?

So the big 3, BMW/Merc/Audi all decided to limit to 155 i think? Which then spread to others?

[albitz]

Bugatti veyron/all ferraris/lamborghinis/porsches/and quite a few others do well in excess of 158mph.
Japanese bike manufactures have a voluntary agreement of 300 kph (186mph).

[TheBoy]

Similar to the gentlemens agreements with superbikes to limit to 165.  Usually very easy to unrestrict.

[hotel21]

Broocie, just out of interest, what would your view be on limiting cars in a simelar way?

As I have explained in other posts, I say ABOUT 18, because some travelled by car and I don't know the exact number.

Everyone had a seat and belt though, so I don't think we were over...

Cars are already limited to 158 mph, if I recall.  You know the uproar that causes at the moment, imagine taking it to 70??  Especially if the Autobahn (non) limit is still available?

As long as each seat had an arse on it and none left over, than thats the 'about 18' covered....  

afaik its only the german (saloon) cars which are restricted,under a voluntary agreement to appease the the h&s/tree hugging lobby.  :-/

Dont think so.  Agreement is between all mainline manufacturers, as far as I understand it.....  

I think it started off in Germany though? They all had to be bigger better and faster, all pushing 200mph barrier?

So the big 3, BMW/Merc/Audi all decided to limit to 155 i think? Which then spread to others?

May have started there but they are all at it now!  

Back to topic, please.  No hijacking allowed!  

[Martin_1962]

When there is a need for the extra speed - like doing an overtake on a single carriageway road - restricting is lethal

If you are overtaking driving a loaded minibus then you should be doing it to overtake a vehicle perhaps doing no more than 35 anyway, which is no problem in a 60 mph speed restricted bus.

I was thinking of something doing say 45 when a blast up to 65 makes it a LOT safer.

That said I did get hit by a rental minibus who pulled out to overtake while I was overtaking him and the car in front.

(he didn't signal)

School teacher too

wheel nut damage to my door, paint damage to the minibus - my car was worth pence so I filled the holes and left it at that. The rental company were not happy with the school!

But Martin 65 is exceeding the speed limit on a single carriageway by at least 5 mph!

With a loaded minibus of up to 17 other souls, that is a little illegal and irresponsible and is just not necessary (even for me!! )

I'd rather they touched it while passing then dropped slower as it lower TED and this is a very important and oft forgotten point

[Martin_1962]

Maybe said van driver any myself are in a minority with our views...

but on a practical level, I personally feel that drivers should be at a level that they're competent enough to assess the road conditions and adjust speed acordingly - without the vehicle having to be limited to compensate for this.

Thing is Tunnie, it's not just the minibus. Don't get me wrong, I'm no angel and we've all gone too fast at some point, but I've read threads here where members claim to have driven on public roads at 140mph..

At that speed, get a blowout, and you could easily roll it several times onto the opposite carriageway and cause just as much carnaige.. especially if you take out a van/coach load of people with you...

Given your views that restricting is good, and the possibility that a speeding (passenger car) driver could just as easily CAUSE an accident to a bus full of  people, do you think all road going cars should be limited to 70mph?    

Blowout at 80 - had very little effect, pulled slightly but no issue until under 40.

Managed to limp to a Police turn off to put spare on.

Had a bike front blow out at 80 - no issue until I tried to stop and the front went everywhere.

[tyreburner]

My tuppence:

As a driver of a coach that weighs 12500kg unladen i can tell you that over 62mph -100kmph (which is what they are limited to) is bloody scary! - i will admit i have had a coach with a broken limiter - no fuse pulled just a bad earth, and i passed the 70mph mark - but as soon as i looked down i backed RIGHT off.
I can also tell you that from my experience it is quite easy to overtake a hgv with my coach i just have to plan ahead i.e how fast is that car coming in the next lane how fast am i gaining on the hgv and from what i remember hgv's are limited to 56mph (thats why few flash me back in ...jealousy   )
I regulary overtake cars aswell on dual carraigeway and single carraigeway - but i know my coaches limits and if the car is doing much more than 40mph i just back off.
Someone mentioned that 40mph on a single carraigeway road for hgv's - i wish they would do that, i am sick of sitting at my allowed 50mph to find some artic trying to find a place to pass me. or bully me into speeding up


Limiters arent dangerous -  having  NO limiter with 10litres of engine, 12500kg unladen weight, 380+bhp and 57 LIVES ON BOARD is!!!

Mick

P.S could we just also clarify something a bus has 2 doors and standing is allowed, a COACH has one door and no standing!!  

[Mr Skrunts]

I get the impression some are looking for someone to flame, tonight?

There have been threads posted about members travelling at near on 140mph which clearly WASN'T on a private track ( http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1185116237/40 )

Nobody got flamed for this, but seem very keen to split hairs over a few MPH in a van.

I don't pretend to know everything - I don't, far from it. But, it would be nice if things could be kept a little more civil and friendly, as per the nature of this forum.

You forget, I have (limited) access to a runway, about 12000ft iirc.  So there is every possibility it may have been there

Can't remember the exact incident - you dug up a 15 month old thread, I can't remember what happened last week, let alone then

Of course, the runway... how could I forget

Come on guys, we've all driven badly at SOME point, let's be friends eh

As an aside, we've been discussing speed, but there are so many other factors also - distance, conditions, state of the vehicle, driver impairments...

Speed alone doesn't usually kill...

Very true James.

Gun alone dont usually kill either.


On the balance of speed plus making a point using us as drivers.  Every one can tell thier own stories using thier own vechicles.  This thread is different, Hire Vechicle with 17/18 lives at risk is different.

[Mr Skrunts]

My tuppence:

As a driver of a coach that weighs 12500kg unladen i can tell you that over 62mph -100kmph (which is what they are limited to) is bloody scary! - i will admit i have had a coach with a broken limiter - no fuse pulled just a bad earth, and i passed the 70mph mark - but as soon as i looked down i backed RIGHT off.
I can also tell you that from my experience it is quite easy to overtake a hgv with my coach i just have to plan ahead i.e how fast is that car coming in the next lane how fast am i gaining on the hgv and from what i remember hgv's are limited to 56mph (thats why few flash me back in ...jealousy   )
I regulary overtake cars aswell on dual carraigeway and single carraigeway - but i know my coaches limits and if the car is doing much more than 40mph i just back off.
Someone mentioned that 40mph on a single carraigeway road for hgv's - i wish they would do that, i am sick of sitting at my allowed 50mph to find some artic trying to find a place to pass me. or bully me into speeding up


Limiters arent dangerous -  having  NO limiter with 10litres of engine, 12500kg unladen weight, 380+bhp and 57 LIVES ON BOARD is!!!

Mick

P.S could we just also clarify something a bus has 2 doors and standing is allowed, a COACH has one door and no standing!!  

You certainly dont work for National Coaches then. . ..  

[Martin_1962]

You do NOT need power to get out of a situation, that's just the fools answer.

 

I can think of situations (in various vehicles) when I've thought "oops, bad judgement call, should have hung back" and been able to safely accellerate out of a potentialy dodgey situation...  

You really have a way with words, sometimes  

I have to agree with this, on occasions, I have found power over braking has been better.

And I have, IAM, Full Bike, HGV and PSV so have driven a wide range of vehicles over many years. However the main thing is to drive, whatever you are driving, within the limits of the vehicle.

Recently, I pulled out and, hands up, misjudged the speed of the vehicle approaching behind me.

Therefore I compensated by accellerating as quick as I could, up to the speed limit, to minimise that danger.

I don't see how that can be a "fools" answer...

FFS!

You are in a 3.0 V6!

Do the same thing in a mini bus? Whats it gunna do? fek all!  

Indeed, but, it goes to show that the statement about using power to get out of a situation being a fools answer is a little generic, and not specific to every situation...

I/We are talking about vans here   - Van's don't have any power!

I have tried overtaking with a Transit myself, bloody dangerous, i shoved it in 3rd, at just under 60 tried to over take, had nothing it was gutless. That was in a empty van!

I have seen LDV 400s at over 100mph, both with Police and with Ambulance. They appeared to handle the speed well.

[Vamps]

My tuppence:

As a driver of a coach that weighs 12500kg unladen i can tell you that over 62mph -100kmph (which is what they are limited to) is bloody scary! - i will admit i have had a coach with a broken limiter - no fuse pulled just a bad earth, and i passed the 70mph mark - but as soon as i looked down i backed RIGHT off.
I can also tell you that from my experience it is quite easy to overtake a hgv with my coach i just have to plan ahead i.e how fast is that car coming in the next lane how fast am i gaining on the hgv and from what i remember hgv's are limited to 56mph (thats why few flash me back in ...jealousy   )
I regulary overtake cars aswell on dual carraigeway and single carraigeway - but i know my coaches limits and if the car is doing much more than 40mph i just back off.
Someone mentioned that 40mph on a single carraigeway road for hgv's - i wish they would do that, i am sick of sitting at my allowed 50mph to find some artic trying to find a place to pass me. or bully me into speeding up


Limiters arent dangerous -  having  NO limiter with 10litres of engine, 12500kg unladen weight, 380+bhp and 57 LIVES ON BOARD is!!!

Mick

P.S could we just also clarify something a bus has 2 doors and standing is allowed, a COACH has one door and no standing!!  

You certainly dont work for National Coaches then. . ..  

Same as all those 70 mph trucks on the motorway...... try stopping one.

[TheBoy]

Maybe said van driver any myself are in a minority with our views...

but on a practical level, I personally feel that drivers should be at a level that they're competent enough to assess the road conditions and adjust speed acordingly - without the vehicle having to be limited to compensate for this.

Thing is Tunnie, it's not just the minibus. Don't get me wrong, I'm no angel and we've all gone too fast at some point, but I've read threads here where members claim to have driven on public roads at 140mph..

At that speed, get a blowout, and you could easily roll it several times onto the opposite carriageway and cause just as much carnaige.. especially if you take out a van/coach load of people with you...

Given your views that restricting is good, and the possibility that a speeding (passenger car) driver could just as easily CAUSE an accident to a bus full of  people, do you think all road going cars should be limited to 70mph?    

Blowout at 80 - had very little effect, pulled slightly but no issue until under 40.
Managed to limp to a Police turn off to put spare on.

Had a bike front blow out at 80 - no issue until I tried to stop and the front went everywhere.

Not necessarily always the case.  Had a few blowouts when I used to drive the vans all day long, though one in particular was more luck than skill that it didn't end in the ditch. Lose a front catastrophically, and you can get in a bit of trouble

[CaptainZok]

You do NOT need power to get out of a situation, that's just the fools answer.

 

I can think of situations (in various vehicles) when I've thought "oops, bad judgement call, should have hung back" and been able to safely accellerate out of a potentialy dodgey situation...  

You really have a way with words, sometimes  

I have to agree with this, on occasions, I have found power over braking has been better.

And I have, IAM, Full Bike, HGV and PSV so have driven a wide range of vehicles over many years. However the main thing is to drive, whatever you are driving, within the limits of the vehicle.

Recently, I pulled out and, hands up, misjudged the speed of the vehicle approaching behind me.

Therefore I compensated by accellerating as quick as I could, up to the speed limit, to minimise that danger.

I don't see how that can be a "fools" answer...

FFS!

You are in a 3.0 V6!

Do the same thing in a mini bus? Whats it gunna do? fek all!  

Indeed, but, it goes to show that the statement about using power to get out of a situation being a fools answer is a little generic, and not specific to every situation...

I/We are talking about vans here   - Van's don't have any power!

I have tried overtaking with a Transit myself, bloody dangerous, i shoved it in 3rd, at just under 60 tried to over take, had nothing it was gutless. That was in a empty van!

I have seen LDV 400s at over 100mph, both with Police and with Ambulance. They appeared to handle the speed well.

Till the doors fall off.

[Martin_1962]

Broocie, just out of interest, what would your view be on limiting cars in a simelar way?

As I have explained in other posts, I say ABOUT 18, because some travelled by car and I don't know the exact number.

Everyone had a seat and belt though, so I don't think we were over...

Cars are already limited to 158 mph, if I recall.  You know the uproar that causes at the moment, imagine taking it to 70??  Especially if the Autobahn (non) limit is still available?

As long as each seat had an arse on it and none left over, than thats the 'about 18' covered....  

afaik its only the german (saloon) cars which are restricted,under a voluntary agreement to appease the the h&s/tree hugging lobby.  :-/

Dont think so.  Agreement is between all mainline manufacturers, as far as I understand it.....  

It is a multi lateral agreement between the various manufacturers, the German government and the greenies

[JamesV6CDX]

An interesting (if not a little heated ) debate. I still hold most of the same views, but, it's good to hear things from everyone's angle. (Hence the post )