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[Mr Skrunts]

What actually amazes me was attempting the manouvre in the 1st place with out fully getting to know the limits and performance of the bus whilst empty and then fully loaded.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

[size=14]Haven't you boys sorted this one out yet!![/size]

I went to bed at 2300 thinking you men would maybe resolves the issues, but no it is still going!   So much for male decisiveness!!

You lot are like the bloody United Nations; take weeks to make worthwhile decisions.

[Martin_1962]

Going back to topic .........  
I agree with the speed restriction. When you've got limited power/speed - try driving a 1.7 low blow turbo diesel everyday   or stick a caravan on the back of your Omega - you adjust your driving to compensate for the lack of overtaking opportunities. An Omega drives/handles completely differently with 5 in it compared to just the driver, a mini-bus with 17/18 at 60 mph is plenty fast enough.

But you can overtake safely with a van and get back in - you are just extremely careful while doing it, a speed limiter would make it more difficult. Remember the French towing limit is 82.5 and people go at what is comfortable rather than to the limit

Your problem arises because the majority of drivers think they are the world's best driver, when clearly there are not.

I have seen outfits which shouldn't be on the road.

Bad outfits

Frontera & van - snaking - going up hill at around 50, I was doing about 60 on the same hill in perfect stability

Cavalier and van - snaking on flat across Somerset Levels (same trip) they were doing about 60 as I passed I noticed their stabliser had fallen off. (watched them for about 1/2 mile)

Rover 800 boot scraping, literally too much nose weight. They pulled out of a layby so I saw the scraping as they joined the road, into the inside lane. I was slowing for a roundabout

Now I love to see outfits like this getting pulled as they are dangerous and give caravanners a bad name

Other seen not by me

Golf GTI and a twin axle

Astra with twin axle stuck on a motorway slip road as the Astra could not pull it up the slope and was stuck wheel spinning.

[JesterRT]

The new Nissan Skyline thing has a limiter (iirc from Top Gear) that won't let it go over 105mph until it knows that it's somewhere that allows silly speeds, like a race track.
I think the day will come when cars are fitted with black boxes which record the last minute or so of driver input, engine speeds, g forces etc so when the sh!t hits the fan plod will be able to put it back together.  Yes, of course there'll be the people that abuse it, turn it off, flash the electronics or whatever but it mightn't be such a bad thing.  I mean on british roads who needs to go 100+?  There's no excuse for it, it's just down to the drivers right foot and how they're feeling at the time (and yes, we've all been there going faster than perhaps we should).

Limiters dangerous?  Hmm, I think there's reasonable grounds to fit them to all new cars, public or private.

[dad1uk]

About 18 of us today, in a 08 reg Ford Transit Minibus turbo diesel.

Trying to get to our destination a bit swiftly... and the bl00dy thing would only do just over 60mph, foot to the floor, in any gear, on the motorway.

We pulled from lane 1 to lane 2 to try and overtake a slowing lorry, but in the end when the lorry sped up we had to back off and pull back in behind it.

The driver, next to me (an experienced persuit driver) was tearing his heir out with it, calling it all the names under the sun, until we noticed the sticker: "Limited to 60mph".

His view was, that the limiter put us in a dangerous position, when we'd began an overtaking manouver, needed an extra burst of power to get by, and didn't have it available... I must say I'm inclined to agree with him.

What's the idea of limiting these things? I think it does more harm than good, and certainly inconvenienced a lot of people behind us...

Welcome to the world of the coach driver... This is what we have to put up with all the time!
Try it with 49 people behind you that don't understand speed limiters. and just think it is down to bad driving.

[albitz]

The new Nissan Skyline thing has a limiter (iirc from Top Gear) that won't let it go over 105mph until it knows that it's somewhere that allows silly speeds, like a race track.
I think the day will come when cars are fitted with black boxes which record the last minute or so of driver input, engine speeds, g forces etc so when the sh!t hits the fan plod will be able to put it back together.  Yes, of course there'll be the people that abuse it, turn it off, flash the electronics or whatever but it mightn't be such a bad thing.  I mean on british roads who needs to go 100+?  There's no excuse for it, it's just down to the drivers right foot and how they're feeling at the time (and yes, we've all been there going faster than perhaps we should).

Limiters dangerous?  Hmm, I think there's reasonable grounds to fit them to all new cars, public or private.

The difference between a free country and a dictatorship - in a free country you have the freedom to break the law but will suffer the consequences if caught,in a dictatorship the state controls what you do.
Freedom of the individual is a very precious thing. It is increasingly under threat these days and what you suggest would be one large step further down that road.

[tyreburner]

My tuppence:

As a driver of a coach that weighs 12500kg unladen i can tell you that over 62mph -100kmph (which is what they are limited to) is bloody scary! -  ......

You should've been in the civvy coach we were in, in the early 80's going to/from Plymouth from/to Portsmouth. There were probably 30 or 40 of us in a 72? seater coach - back in the days when they were allowed in the outside lane - doing a ton plus. It was only when we made comment about how fast we were actually going that he slowed down to more legal speeds.  :-?

Flippin 'eck i like to get my toe down in a car , but a ton in a coach?? "dime bar " springs to mind
No thanks

[tyreburner]

About 18 of us today, in a 08 reg Ford Transit Minibus turbo diesel.

Trying to get to our destination a bit swiftly... and the bl00dy thing would only do just over 60mph, foot to the floor, in any gear, on the motorway.

We pulled from lane 1 to lane 2 to try and overtake a slowing lorry, but in the end when the lorry sped up we had to back off and pull back in behind it.

The driver, next to me (an experienced persuit driver) was tearing his heir out with it, calling it all the names under the sun, until we noticed the sticker: "Limited to 60mph".

His view was, that the limiter put us in a dangerous position, when we'd began an overtaking manouver, needed an extra burst of power to get by, and didn't have it available... I must say I'm inclined to agree with him.

What's the idea of limiting these things? I think it does more harm than good, and certainly inconvenienced a lot of people behind us...

Welcome to the world of the coach driver... This is what we have to put up with all the time!
Try it with 49 people behind you that don't understand speed limiters. and just think it is down to bad driving.

Yeah , thinking that you are just trying to milk the hours to get ya money up!!!

[tyreburner]

.... and 'make use' of hills to gain speed (never going over 60mph   )  ......

Ah! It wasn't you was it then right up my chuff going west down the hill on the M62 at 70 mph + ??        

If a quicker truck, usually Irish reg or eastern block or Italian I slow by a few KPH let it pass then back up to 56-ish.

That usually prevents the massive '10 mile overtake'

You must be on your own then mate. I've sat behind HGV's for bl00dy miles in the middle lane when I've had a caravan on the back.

Sorry but i may be wrong .... however i was led to believe a caravan  or  trailer had to stick to the same rules as a hgv???
I.e 40,50 and 60??
I hate it when on a motorway and see mr 4x4 driver with a trailer on the back ( and always the wrong reg plate) doing at least 70mph past me wobbling around merrily!!!!!!

[Martin_1962]

Cars towing

50 on normal
60 on DC and MWAY

Police turn a blind eye to sensible & well driven outfits at road limits.

[tyreburner]

Cars towing

50 on normal
60 on DC and MWAY

Police turn a blind eye to sensible & well driven outfits at road limits.

Ah i see , i knew i shouldn't have them sitting on my back bumper at 62/100k's trying to get me out the way.

[Martin_1962]

Cars towing

50 on normal
60 on DC and MWAY

Police turn a blind eye to sensible & well driven outfits at road limits.

Ah i see , i knew i shouldn't have them sitting on my back bumper at 62/100k's trying to get me out the way.

Actually there is a big safety reason for this and why I cruise at 65 to 70.

Overtaking a big vehicle the van does try to steer the car, but only to a little affect, accelerate past and it is fully stable.

When an HGV or a coach passes you the huge bow wave pushes the back of the caravan to the left, so the front to the right and is VERY unnerving - remember you are not accelerating and pulling the tow bar as much.

This is not a weight issue, this is simple aerodynamics, and the safest speed to travel is a little faster than the coaches and HGVs

[TheBoy]

Cars towing

50 on normal
60 on DC and MWAY

Police turn a blind eye to sensible & well driven outfits at road limits.

Ah i see , i knew i shouldn't have them sitting on my back bumper at 62/100k's trying to get me out the way.

Actually there is a big safety reason for this and why I cruise at 65 to 70.

Overtaking a big vehicle the van does try to steer the car, but only to a little affect, accelerate past and it is fully stable.

When an HGV or a coach passes you the huge bow wave pushes the back of the caravan to the left, so the front to the right and is VERY unnerving - remember you are not accelerating and pulling the tow bar as much.

This is not a weight issue, this is simple aerodynamics, and the safest speed to travel is a little faster than the coaches and HGVs

Simple solution is to ban weekend pikeys from the roads...

[cem_devecioglu]

[size=14]Haven't you boys sorted this one out yet!![/size]

I went to bed at 2300 thinking you men would maybe resolves the issues, but no it is still going!   So much for male decisiveness!!

You lot are like the bloody United Nations; take weeks to make worthwhile decisions. [/quote]



 

[Martin_1962]

Cars towing

50 on normal
60 on DC and MWAY

Police turn a blind eye to sensible & well driven outfits at road limits.

Ah i see , i knew i shouldn't have them sitting on my back bumper at 62/100k's trying to get me out the way.

Actually there is a big safety reason for this and why I cruise at 65 to 70.

Overtaking a big vehicle the van does try to steer the car, but only to a little affect, accelerate past and it is fully stable.

When an HGV or a coach passes you the huge bow wave pushes the back of the caravan to the left, so the front to the right and is VERY unnerving - remember you are not accelerating and pulling the tow bar as much.

This is not a weight issue, this is simple aerodynamics, and the safest speed to travel is a little faster than the coaches and HGVs

Simple solution is to ban weekend pikeys from the roads...