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[Nickbat]

Frankly I have difficulty believing some of what's written here.

The hatred piled on the BNP by some is the same as the hatred piled on foreigners by the BNP. The BNP says that foreigners are a threat, whilst others say that the BNP is a threat. The common denominator is, sadly, hatred.

As I said earlier on here, the Nazis were national socialists and were united by Hitler through hatred of Jews, Gypsies and anyone considered non-Ayrian. It is simply bonkers to equate the BNP with gas chambers and the like. Yes, their policies are not supported by me, but I can quite understand why they attract support. The non-thinking politically-unmotivated classes are attracted by the prospect of a return to a Great Britain. Intrinsically, there's no harm in that, since a patriotic nation will work harder for the common good. The mainstream parties and the liberal elite have done their utmost to belittle the UK and its people and make them subservient to the EU. A nation needs common aspirations, so that's that's what they look for in these difficult times.

The BNP's policies of repatriation are wrong for a variety of reasons, but no one should be under any illusion that immigration is not a major issue amongst large swathes of the electorate. It has been wrongly shunned by all the mainstream parties and that has left a void, which the BNP are happy to fill, albeit with wrong policies.

The upcoming elections are mainly for MEPs (with some shire council elections as well). The BNP will not be elected in any numbers great enough to implement national policies, so all this talk of the UK turning into a clone of Nazi Germany is total hogwash. What a vote for a minor party will do, however, is to send a very strong signal to the mainstream political classes that a sea change is needed in British politics. It is now up to the three major parties to win back the disaffected voters and that will require, amongst other things, addressing the issue of immigration. They will not do that by merely slagging off the BNP, indeed they are likely to increase the BNP support. The political bile must cease, in order that we can have rational discussion about immigration, the EU and so on.

Within human groupings, people from other groups are usually welcomed, or at least tolerated, until such a situation occurs when the original group feels threatened or disadvantaged by the scale of the influx. It may not always be rational, but that it is a characteristic of human nature and to deny it is a big mistake.         

[crazyjoetavola]

Frankly I have difficulty believing some of what's written here.

The hatred piled on the BNP by some is the same as the hatred piled on foreigners by the BNP. The BNP says that foreigners are a threat, whilst others say that the BNP is a threat. The common denominator is, sadly, hatred.

As I said earlier on here, the Nazis were national socialists and were united by Hitler through hatred of Jews, Gypsies and anyone considered non-Ayrian. It is simply bonkers to equate the BNP with gas chambers and the like. Yes, their policies are not supported by me, but I can quite understand why they attract support. The non-thinking politically-unmotivated classes are attracted by the prospect of a return to a Great Britain. Intrinsically, there's no harm in that, since a patriotic nation will work harder for the common good. The mainstream parties and the liberal elite have done their utmost to belittle the UK and its people and make them subservient to the EU. A nation needs common aspirations, so that's that's what they look for in these difficult times.

The BNP's policies of repatriation are wrong for a variety of reasons, but no one should be under any illusion that immigration is not a major issue amongst large swathes of the electorate. It has been wrongly shunned by all the mainstream parties and that has left a void, which the BNP are happy to fill, albeit with wrong policies.

The upcoming elections are mainly for MEPs (with some shire council elections as well). The BNP will not be elected in any numbers great enough to implement national policies, so all this talk of the UK turning into a clone of Nazi Germany is total hogwash. What a vote for a minor party will do, however, is to send a very strong signal to the mainstream political classes that a sea change is needed in British politics. It is now up to the three major parties to win back the disaffected voters and that will require, amongst other things, addressing the issue of immigration. They will not do that by merely slagging off the BNP, indeed they are likely to increase the BNP support. The political bile must cease, in order that we can have rational discussion about immigration, the EU and so on.

Within human groupings, people from other groups are usually welcomed, or at least tolerated, until such a situation occurs when the original group feels threatened or disadvantaged by the scale of the influx. It may not always be rational, but that it is a characteristic of human nature and to deny it is a big mistake.         

The non-thinking politically-unmotivated classes are attracted by the prospect of a return to a Great Britain


......but many others, more balanced, more socially and politically aware might want a return to a Britain great with imagination,  flair, tolerance and a desire to dothe best for it's people - not for any jingoistic or fevered national ideal - but because that's what responsible government is all about

Intrinsically, there's no harm in that, since a patriotic nation will work harder for the common good.

.......that's why an elected administration must have the will and good intent to ensure that those goals fall within reach so that everyone can be the benificiary:y


A nation needs common aspirations, so that's that's what they look for in these difficult times

.....without such aspirations this country might devolve into common fiefdoms with all the chaos and misery that would bring.

It has been wrongly shunned by all the mainstream parties and that has left a void, which the BNP are happy to fill, albeit with wrong policies.


.....and this reflects the apathy experienced when a jaded administration, and the political process in general, loses it's way, becomes incestous and devolves itself of responsibility.  The country must be governed by common consent, however in the end, there can be no pleasing each and every individual - and the culture of trying to accomodate every demand, for whatever trendy reason, leads only to confusion and gross incompetance.

The political bile must cease, in order that we can have rational discussion about immigration, the EU and so on.

.......would that people had the desire to do so in a rational way :-/ :-/

Within human groupings, people from other groups are usually welcomed, or at least tolerated, until such a situation occurs when the original group feels threatened or disadvantaged by the scale of the influx. It may not always be rational, but that it is a characteristic of human nature and to deny it is a big mistake. 

......as experienced in light of how this topic has developed perhaps?

[feeutfo]

there is a missing level to the process we find ourselves in. Fear, and is where it starts. Fear of invasion. Fear of loosing what is ours. Fear of assault, liberty, the unknown. What ever the reason, its fear that starts it, turns to hatred and then MASSIVE OVER REACTION.

I see fear in both sides of this debate. Fear in where we are going on our current path, some justifiable, some not. And fear in where we will end up if the bnp, by some nightmare, get in to power.

Whatever situation we have now, can only be made worse by adding nationalism to the mix. They may well behave for a while once in power, though i doubt it. But inevitably there will be chaos. How can there not be, its what you voted for.

Its obvious the bnp will get extra support it seems but, if they ever get in, those that trust these thugs to behave.... Well, how green is that.? Or maybe you intend joining in?

[crazyjoetavola]

there is a missing level to the process we find ourselves in. Fear, and is where it starts. Fear of invasion. Fear of loosing what is ours. Fear of assault, liberty, the unknown. What ever the reason, its fear that starts it, turns to hatred and then MASSIVE OVER REACTION.

I see fear in both sides of this debate. Fear in where we are going on our current path, some justifiable, some not. And fear in where we will end up if the bnp, by some nightmare, get in to power.

Whatever situation we have now, can only be made worse by adding nationalism to the mix.  How can there not be, its what you voted for.

Its obvious the bnp will get extra support it seems but, if they ever get in, those that trust these thugs to behave.... Well, how green is that.? Or maybe you intend joining in?

They may well behave for a while once in power, though i doubt it. But inevitably there will be chaos.

.......and if anyone doubts that take a look at a plan view of the map showing the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland - the top part of the island off the the mainland. 

Such movements were evident there decades ago when people became dissatisfied with the status quo.  Groups on each side supported their version of radical change.  It resulted in chaos, fear, loathing and sinister development. 

In reality it produced decades of wasted development and a bunker mentality which is only now being brought under control and exposed for the undesirable thing that it was and still is.

It happens so easily - the intention is never to go too far but inevitabily, when fervor replaces considered judgement, the results are written in history - and some of  those very pages lie for all to see - on the scarred streets of a place not too far away from we presently are.

[Robski]

They will be getting my vote,and I am not a racist.I am a manual worker who has been forced to work my nuts off for very little in the last few years,this been down to the influx of Croatians,Polish and every other bugger coming in to our country and undercutting us,they wouldn't like us to do that in there country.BNP for me

[Dave-C]

Come on surely you can see the common likenesses 


Vote for Keeley Hawes, she's great in Ashes to Ashes

[MikeDundee]

Come on surely you can see the common likenesses 


Vote for Keeley Hawes, she's great in Ashes to Ashes

Well that does it for me now, I know who I am voting for now

[Debs.]

Ja wohl, mein Führer!

[Dave-C]

Having said that, look who she's in alliance with

[albitz]

The UKIP leader has just been speaking about the BNP on question time,according to him it states in article 2 of the BNP rulebook that no Black person can be a member of the party,if this is true then they are indeed an old fashioned racist party and imo it would be wrong to vote for them,so the alternative or protest vote is best placed with UKIP.

[Nickbat]

The UKIP leader has just been speaking about the BNP on question time,according to him it states in article 2 of the BNP rulebook that no Black person can be a member of the party,if this is true then they are indeed an old fashioned racist party and imo it would be wrong to vote for them,so the alternitive or protest vote is best placed with UKIP.

I can't believe it, Albs! I saw the same programme and tried a Google search to see if I could verify that claim (I couldn't!). However, I assume it to be true. I therefore, would like to point out that in this earlier in this thread I stated that the BNP had a right to exist as a party. However, if it is true that Black or Asian people are barred from holding office within the party, I retract those comments and suggest that the BNP is racist and does not have a right to represent the electorate.

Like Albs, UKIP seem to match most closely my current views.   

[albitz]

Just been thinking a bit more about this Nick,if it is true wouldnt they have been prosecuted for race hate type crimes or similar? would they be allowed to broadcast on mainstream channels etc? not sure about it tbh. :-/

[Nickbat]

Just been thinking a bit more about this Nick,if it is true wouldnt they have been prosecuted for race hate type crimes or similar? would they be allowed to broadcast on mainstream channels etc? not sure about it tbh. :-/

Hmm, Farage is no dope. It's a very straightforward claim. Either Article 2 does preclude Blacks and Asians or it doesn't. If it doesn't, it would be a might y big porky to tell a week before the elections. :-/

[sassanach]

if you can find a bnp rulebook,only issued to members apparantly

[Nickbat]

Thinking aloud, does a political party have to abide by employment rules? I don't think so, I believe they are like voluntary associations, which can preclude anyone they like.