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[Vamps]

Then you are as daft as them I'm afraid

Thank you LK for that personal insult.

Not meant as a personal insult, just what I am seeing Lizzie, you as well as myself have seen people in past threads going on and on, we both know where these threads end up. Just surprised that you have now fallen into the same trap, something I thought you didn't agree with 

This is a big topic, that is far more than just about the nuts and bolts on our cars.  In other words it does require intelligent democratic debate, and no matter how long it goes on for as in Parliament. I have strong feelings on this topic, but If political debate is not welcomed, then let's ban that topic from the OOF and just talk cars, and absolutely nothing else.

In which case I will do you and everyone else a favour and disappear.

PLEASE DO NOT ENTERTAIN THAT THOUGHT MS ZOOM

Ditto --- it will be a favour for no-one Lizzie

No, you can't go, I will never view the Sweeney in the same light if you are not around..............

Mmmmmm - very, very interesting Vamps

It's a long story...............

[crazyjoetavola]

All I will add to this debate is a simple reminder ......

Your "protest" vote will last 3 years   

You can't vote in BMP/UKIP/ whoever just to frighten the main parties for a few months .. if you vote them in they stay for the duration.

And you, I, and everyone else has to live with the consequences of that.

"Protest" if you must .. but you might be really protesting a year later when they start to implement their "policies" ..

That might well be the clincher Entwood

[Darth Loo-knee]

Then you are as daft as them I'm afraid

Thank you LK for that personal insult.

Not meant as a personal insult, just what I am seeing Lizzie, you as well as myself have seen people in past threads going on and on, we both know where these threads end up. Just surprised that you have now fallen into the same trap, something I thought you didn't agree with 

This is a big topic, that is far more than just about the nuts and bolts on our cars.  In other words it does require intelligent democratic debate, and no matter how long it goes on for as in Parliament. I have strong feelings on this topic, but If political debate is not welcomed, then let's ban that topic from the OOF and just talk cars, and absolutely nothing else.

In which case I will do you and everyone else a favour and disappear.

Just wondering why your playing that card again? There really is no need for it.
Wars have been started over Politics and Religion, I personally don't want things getting out of hand again, if I remember you thought the same the last time this happened..
Going back to the dissapearing thing... I have laughed and enjoyed alot of your posts but I sure aint going to be running and begging people to stop   

[Banjax]

I seriously worry for the future of this country when seemingly reasonable, rational, intelligent people start voting for an extreme right wing bunch of lunatics...

do none of the BNP voters learn anything from history? we lost millions fighting fascists - we as a nation declared it wrong to persecute anyone on the grounds of race, religion or creed and paid a heavy, but ultimately worthy price.
 

[Nickbat]

All I will add to this debate is a simple reminder ......

Your "protest" vote will last 3 years   

You can't vote in BMP/UKIP/ whoever just to frighten the main parties for a few months .. if you vote them in they stay for the duration.

And you, I, and everyone else has to live with the consequences of that.

"Protest" if you must .. but you might be really protesting a year later when they start to implement their "policies" ..

Yes, but these are principally European elections and MEPs don't implement policies, the EU bureaucracy does that. MEPs just get paid loads of money to show up occasionally in between junkets.

[crazyjoetavola]

Let's have a little commonsense here.

The BNP is a legitimate political party, with whose policies I largely disagree. Those who brand them Nazis miss the point that the real Nazis were in fact National Socialists. Still, as I've often said, politics is a circle: if you go far enough on one wing you'll meet the extreme of the other wing.

If the BNP do well (and, personally I hope they don't but UKIP do!), it is because the other mainstream parties have failed. Hearing mainstream politicians bleating on about the BNP is pretty appalling as they have driven many disaffected voters towards them, no matter how extreme their policies are to most people. We now live in an increasingly totalitarian society, where integration has meant the erosion of traditions and values, where political correctness is enforced by laws, where people are discouraged from showing any form of national pride (such as respecting our armed forces) and, finally, where 90% of our laws emanate from unelected bureaucrats in Brussels. Where is the referendum on the Lisbon Treaty?


I do not support the BNP's policies in any way, but I support its right to exist as a political party. Any attempt to gag them is, of course, as odious as sections of their manifesto. Plus, of course, the more mainstream (and seemingly endemically untrustworthy) politicians rail against them, the more their support will grow.[/quote


No, any successes by the BNP will not reflect the successful sale of its policies, but the dismal - truly dismal - failures of Labour in particular, but also Conservative and Lib Dem politicians, to understand the aspirations of the populace. For that they need to hang their heads in shame.

A devastatingly simple and uncomplicated statement of truth

[Nickbat]

I seriously worry for the future of this country when seemingly reasonable, rational, intelligent people start voting for an extreme right wing bunch of lunatics...

do none of the BNP voters learn anything from history? we lost millions fighting fascists - we as a nation declared it wrong to persecute anyone on the grounds of race, religion or creed and paid a heavy, but ultimately worthy price.
 

 

I refer the Honourable Member from Perth to my post at 10.49. 

Far right/far left: just the same and they ride on the failures of the mainstream. The mainstream parties are therefore culpable.

[Darth Loo-knee]

I seriously worry for the future of this country when seemingly reasonable, rational, intelligent people start voting for an extreme right wing bunch of lunatics...

do none of the BNP voters learn anything from history? we lost millions fighting fascists - we as a nation declared it wrong to persecute anyone on the grounds of race, religion or creed and paid a heavy, but ultimately worthy price.
 

 

I can see what your saying but even my Nanna who was has lived and worked through the WWII is thinking of Voting BNP as she is ashamed of what this Country has become.

[Banjax]

I seriously worry for the future of this country when seemingly reasonable, rational, intelligent people start voting for an extreme right wing bunch of lunatics...

do none of the BNP voters learn anything from history? we lost millions fighting fascists - we as a nation declared it wrong to persecute anyone on the grounds of race, religion or creed and paid a heavy, but ultimately worthy price.
 

 

I can see what your saying but even my Nanna who was has lived and worked through the WWII is thinking of Voting BNP as she is ashamed of what this Country has become.

and I would be ashamed of this country if the BNP ever became more than the small (and small-minded) minority party it is now 

[Markie]

I seriously worry for the future of this country when seemingly reasonable, rational, intelligent people start voting for an extreme right wing bunch of lunatics...

do none of the BNP voters learn anything from history? we lost millions fighting fascists - we as a nation declared it wrong to persecute anyone on the grounds of race, religion or creed and paid a heavy, but ultimately worthy price.
 

 

I can see what your saying but even my Nanna who was has lived and worked through the WWII is thinking of Voting BNP as she is ashamed of what this Country has become.

and I would be ashamed of this country if the BNP ever became more than the small (and small-minded) minority party it is now 

I think many already are ashamed of the state of the nation 

[crazyjoetavola]

All I will add to this debate is a simple reminder ......

Your "protest" vote will last 3 years   

You can't vote in BMP/UKIP/ whoever just to frighten the main parties for a few months .. if you vote them in they stay for the duration.

And you, I, and everyone else has to live with the consequences of that.

"Protest" if you must .. but you might be really protesting a year later when they start to implement their "policies" ..

.

Yes, but these are principally European elections and MEPs don't implement policies, the EU bureaucracy does that. MEPs just get paid loads of money to show up occasionally in between junkets

........true Nick but they suckle at the teat of the bureaucracy thereby perpetuating its life force by learning and eventually broadcasting the rancid seeds of that wretched creature

[Darth Loo-knee]

I seriously worry for the future of this country when seemingly reasonable, rational, intelligent people start voting for an extreme right wing bunch of lunatics...

do none of the BNP voters learn anything from history? we lost millions fighting fascists - we as a nation declared it wrong to persecute anyone on the grounds of race, religion or creed and paid a heavy, but ultimately worthy price.
 

 

I can see what your saying but even my Nanna who was has lived and worked through the WWII is thinking of Voting BNP as she is ashamed of what this Country has become.

and I would be ashamed of this country if the BNP ever became more than the small (and small-minded) minority party it is now 

My Grandparents like thousands of others Grandparents have fought for this Country, worked in ammunitions etc etc... I think they have the right more than us to be ashamed, ask your own grandparents what they think!

[Nickbat]

A good comment from Richard Littlejohn:

"However superficially attractive some of their policies may appear, they are a nasty bunch of Toytown Nazis who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the levers of power.

What always amuses me, though, is the way the established parties use the BNP as a bogeyman to threaten the electorate.

In effect, they're saying: 'We may be a gang of unprincipled crooks but if you don't vote for us you're going to let in a team of fascists.'

If the BNP did not exist, mainstream politicians would have to invent them."

Quite, Mr Littlejohn.

http://[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1187508/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-If-caught-stealing-work-wed-arrested-So-Alistair-Darling.html[/url]

[Banjax]

A good comment from Richard Littlejohn:

"However superficially attractive some of their policies may appear, they are a nasty bunch of Toytown Nazis who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the levers of power.

What always amuses me, though, is the way the established parties use the BNP as a bogeyman to threaten the electorate.

In effect, they're saying: 'We may be a gang of unprincipled crooks but if you don't vote for us you're going to let in a team of fascists.'

If the BNP did not exist, mainstream politicians would have to invent them."

Quite, Mr Littlejohn.

http://[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1187508/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-If-caught-stealing-work-wed-arrested-So-Alistair-Darling.html[/url]

for the first time in my life - i find myself agreeing with Richard Littlejohn  :-/

[Nickbat]

Sometimes, though, I don't think being "British" is something to be proud of. Do you reckon these guys support the BNP? 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/greece/5385619/British-men-dressed-as-nuns-stand-trial-in-Crete.html