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[crazyjoetavola]

Ah the wonders of democracy 

And the problems with it.

Seems democracy in the UK is only so if it follows the majority perception.

If the BNP get seats or a % increase in votes in the UK it would suggest to me that the Great British People have some support for them. Dont think its very "Politically Correct" we stereo type the BNP or potential voters these days to thugs in skinheads and Doc Martins. Similarly i dont think we should be calling them stupid and ignorant en mass.

I do have a level of suppport for them but that said i wont be voting for them - although if they had decent economic policy i would think carefully.....

Why not? :-? :-?  When they, men in suits and pretending to be inteligent as the Nazis did, ignore the true facts of the situation, with even using the image of Winston Churchill to promote their twisted message!

Why Not - well society tells us we need to embrace all for a start 

I think the feeling at grass roots - in the UK is that more and more peole would considor voting for them - i think whilst they have dramatic shortfallings there a more " credible" party than they were.

Even on here theres 3/4 replies to this thread that indicates some good oofers are at least considoring voting for them.

It doesnt make them bad people  And i personally have never carried a baseball bat, shaved my hair, wore Doc Martins, Assualted anyone, been in trouble with the police for beating up ethnic women with small children.

What i do have is a typical married with children homelife, mortgage, skilled job and degree ( in Politics)background.

I think Lizzie, the BNP and there voters have moved on since the 1980`s 

Doesnt make anyone right or wrong, just think they may surprise a few come the elections.

It doesnt make them bad people  And i personally have never carried a baseball bat, shaved my hair, wore Doc Martins, Assualted anyone, been in trouble with the police for beating up ethnic women with small children.


........one doesn't have to Markie, I had to try and deal with the result of such actions for many years.  I wasn't so much the naked physical effect of violence and intolerance, it was the credence given to it by people all too eager to either condone, or passively agree with it by, turning a blind eye to the reality.


I think Lizzie, the BNP and there voters have moved on since the 1980`s

....but Markie, such polarization and extreme views don't always result in good government (just when we need it)

[Elite Pete]

I`ve oft wondered if I might be on the list for being "sent back" if the BNP get their feet under the political table: being of Icelandic/Danish descent I am (probably) way-too "foreign" for their concept of Britishness....even though I`m a loyal, honest and very-proud British citizen.
That`s the trouble with setting frameworks around notions of Nationhood: just whom gets the 'right'?

That is the amazing thing about the so called "British" tag Debs.  As you no doubt know, the Germanic tribes, otherwise known as the barbarians, such as Vandals, Goths and Huns, gradually moved south, south west, and south east, across Europe from their lands north of the Rhine, and gradually took over the military operations of the Romans as mercenaries.  Then after 400 AD they then rapidly occupied the lands vacated by the outgoing Romans.  No doubt, with the Vikings and other nordic people mixed with the ancient Brit, Roman and Germanic blood / genes to eventually further be intergrated with the Gauls or later French.  Of course originally all these "tribes" came out of Africa!! 8-) 8-) 8-)

Being British is a way of life, a culture, not a particular crede or colour of people, although it was white Christian for a little while!!  

BNP please note these facts you ignorant, stupid, racist and evil individuals!!
I advise you to go to Auachwitz to see where your evil can lead us all!

I voted for them last year and I may vote for them this year but i'm not evil, racist, ignorant or stupid although my wife might disagree with the last one

I voted for the BNP because i've had enough of the open door situation we have at the moment regarding immigration and I think the BNP are the closest to stopping this, but I don't agree with all their policies. As for violence, I don't agree with it but, on the other hand I could and would of happily taken a big stick to the so called protesters who spat at our troops in Luton.

My beliefs are,
If a person has no previous, has means to keep him/herself and is of use to the country let them in, similar to Aus/Can/USA. When here they get an account, once they have paid a certain amount in National Insurance then they are entitled to the NHS ect. If they loose their job they have a certain time to get another, they will get benefits to the amount they have paid in NI or a flight ticket back to where they came from. As for building Mosques and the likes, if they can afford it and get planning permission then thats up to them but don't expect British tax payers to cough up oh and don't even think about complaining about me celebrating St Georges Day or Christmas if they don't like it they know where the airports are.

[Martin_1962]

Everyone has been having a go at the Labour open door policy.

Why can some right **** get in but not Gurkhas?

[waspy]

I`ve oft wondered if I might be on the list for being "sent back" if the BNP get their feet under the political table: being of Icelandic/Danish descent I am (probably) way-too "foreign" for their concept of Britishness....even though I`m a loyal, honest and very-proud British citizen.
That`s the trouble with setting frameworks around notions of Nationhood: just whom gets the 'right'?

That is the amazing thing about the so called "British" tag Debs.  As you no doubt know, the Germanic tribes, otherwise known as the barbarians, such as Vandals, Goths and Huns, gradually moved south, south west, and south east, across Europe from their lands north of the Rhine, and gradually took over the military operations of the Romans as mercenaries.  Then after 400 AD they then rapidly occupied the lands vacated by the outgoing Romans.  No doubt, with the Vikings and other nordic people mixed with the ancient Brit, Roman and Germanic blood / genes to eventually further be intergrated with the Gauls or later French.  Of course originally all these "tribes" came out of Africa!! 8-) 8-) 8-)

Being British is a way of life, a culture, not a particular crede or colour of people, although it was white Christian for a little while!!  

BNP please note these facts you ignorant, stupid, racist and evil individuals!!
I advise you to go to Auachwitz to see where your evil can lead us all!

I voted for them last year and I may vote for them this year but i'm not evil, racist, ignorant or stupid although my wife might disagree with the last one

I voted for the BNP because i've had enough of the open door situation we have at the moment regarding immigration and I think the BNP are the closest to stopping this, but I don't agree with all their policies. As for violence, I don't agree with it but, on the other hand I could and would of happily taken a big stick to the so called protesters who spat at our troops in Luton.

My beliefs are,
If a person has no previous, has means to keep him/herself and is of use to the country let them in, similar to Aus/Can/USA. When here they get an account, once they have paid a certain amount in National Insurance then they are entitled to the NHS ect. If they loose their job they have a certain time to get another, they will get benefits to the amount they have paid in NI or a flight ticket back to where they came from. As for building Mosques and the likes, if they can afford it and get planning permission then thats up to them but don't expect British tax payers to cough up oh and don't even think about complaining about me celebrating St Georges Day or Christmas if they don't like it they know where the airports are.

Thank you Pete. I too will be voting for them. I also don't agree with some of their policies, but there a again i can say the same for the other parties.
I am also not a racist, just a realist whom happens to love his country

[crazyjoetavola]

I`ve oft wondered if I might be on the list for being "sent back" if the BNP get their feet under the political table: being of Icelandic/Danish descent I am (probably) way-too "foreign" for their concept of Britishness....even though I`m a loyal, honest and very-proud British citizen.
That`s the trouble with setting frameworks around notions of Nationhood: just whom gets the 'right'?

That is the amazing thing about the so called "British" tag Debs.  As you no doubt know, the Germanic tribes, otherwise known as the barbarians, such as Vandals, Goths and Huns, gradually moved south, south west, and south east, across Europe from their lands north of the Rhine, and gradually took over the military operations of the Romans as mercenaries.  Then after 400 AD they then rapidly occupied the lands vacated by the outgoing Romans.  No doubt, with the Vikings and other nordic people mixed with the ancient Brit, Roman and Germanic blood / genes to eventually further be intergrated with the Gauls or later French.  Of course originally all these "tribes" came out of Africa!! 8-) 8-) 8-)

Being British is a way of life, a culture, not a particular crede or colour of people, although it was white Christian for a little while!!  

BNP please note these facts you ignorant, stupid, racist and evil individuals!!
I advise you to go to Auachwitz to see where your evil can lead us all!

I voted for them last year and I may vote for them this year but i'm not evil, racist, ignorant or stupid although my wife might disagree with the last one

I voted for the BNP because i've had enough of the open door situation we have at the moment regarding immigration and I think the BNP are the closest to stopping this, but I don't agree with all their policies. As for violence, I don't agree with it but, on the other hand I could and would of happily taken a big stick to the so called protesters who spat at our troops in Luton.

My beliefs are,
If a person has no previous, has means to keep him/herself and is of use to the country let them in, similar to Aus/Can/USA. When here they get an account, once they have paid a certain amount in National Insurance then they are entitled to the NHS ect. If they loose their job they have a certain time to get another, they will get benefits to the amount they have paid in NI or a flight ticket back to where they came from. As for building Mosques and the likes, if they can afford it and get planning permission then thats up to them but don't expect British tax payers to cough up oh and don't even think about complaining about me celebrating St Georges Day or Christmas if they don't like it they know where the airports are.

and I think the BNP are the closest to stopping this,

.... but Pete, can they garner sufficient support, when translated into elected seats, to make their mark in any legislature?.  Will they have the political maturity to govern in good stead and be responsible to those who seek and require good governance?   I'm not sure :-/ :-/

For those people who might be thinking of casting their ballot for such a party in the hope that it will be recognized as a protest vote - they might well have missed an opportunity to elect an official with a greater chance to make a real difference

[HolyCount]

The bottom line is ... what alternatives do we have ? And, in any event, can we safely cast a vote in response to what the election manifesto states?

An an instance, the news is currently full of DC promising to give power back to the ordinary citizen. All weel and good -- however, if they took power they would have us then believe they need spend all of their energies just getting us out of this hole we are in -- nnaturally they would need a second term to deliver on this elections manifesto, by which time some other excuse would have presented itself.

If nothing else the forthcoming election will prove entertaining !!!!

One of the biggest drains on this country are the "career" claimants ... they are spending the money that should be going to better border controls and better facilities all round for "Joe Public".  Simplistic I know -- but a start and only the tip of the iceburg, but we need politicians who are willing to address these grass root problems instead of papering over the cracks.

[Elite Pete]

I`ve oft wondered if I might be on the list for being "sent back" if the BNP get their feet under the political table: being of Icelandic/Danish descent I am (probably) way-too "foreign" for their concept of Britishness....even though I`m a loyal, honest and very-proud British citizen.
That`s the trouble with setting frameworks around notions of Nationhood: just whom gets the 'right'?

That is the amazing thing about the so called "British" tag Debs.  As you no doubt know, the Germanic tribes, otherwise known as the barbarians, such as Vandals, Goths and Huns, gradually moved south, south west, and south east, across Europe from their lands north of the Rhine, and gradually took over the military operations of the Romans as mercenaries.  Then after 400 AD they then rapidly occupied the lands vacated by the outgoing Romans.  No doubt, with the Vikings and other nordic people mixed with the ancient Brit, Roman and Germanic blood / genes to eventually further be intergrated with the Gauls or later French.  Of course originally all these "tribes" came out of Africa!! 8-) 8-) 8-)

Being British is a way of life, a culture, not a particular crede or colour of people, although it was white Christian for a little while!!  

BNP please note these facts you ignorant, stupid, racist and evil individuals!!
I advise you to go to Auachwitz to see where your evil can lead us all!

I voted for them last year and I may vote for them this year but i'm not evil, racist, ignorant or stupid although my wife might disagree with the last one

I voted for the BNP because i've had enough of the open door situation we have at the moment regarding immigration and I think the BNP are the closest to stopping this, but I don't agree with all their policies. As for violence, I don't agree with it but, on the other hand I could and would of happily taken a big stick to the so called protesters who spat at our troops in Luton.

My beliefs are,
If a person has no previous, has means to keep him/herself and is of use to the country let them in, similar to Aus/Can/USA. When here they get an account, once they have paid a certain amount in National Insurance then they are entitled to the NHS ect. If they loose their job they have a certain time to get another, they will get benefits to the amount they have paid in NI or a flight ticket back to where they came from. As for building Mosques and the likes, if they can afford it and get planning permission then thats up to them but don't expect British tax payers to cough up oh and don't even think about complaining about me celebrating St Georges Day or Christmas if they don't like it they know where the airports are.

and I think the BNP are the closest to stopping this,

.... but Pete, can they garner sufficient support, when translated into elected seats, to make their mark in any legislature?.  Will they have the political maturity to govern in good stead and be responsible to those who seek and require good governance?   I'm not sure :-/ :-/

For those people who might be thinking of casting their ballot for such a party in the hope that it will be recognized as a protest vote - they might well have missed an opportunity to elect an official with a greater chance to make a real difference

I hope the BNP pick up enough votes to make the major parties take notice that they (BNP) are doing something right.

[mantahatch]

All i'm saying is. They'll be getting my vote

And my vote aswell for MEP, to all the doubters could I suggest you actually read the BNP manifesto. And then make your comments. I am not a fascist nor a rascist.
My vote for local elections went to just the opposition in my local area. And I have voted already by post.

I am just about thankful we still have the right to vote for who as individuals we wish to vote for.

I will say no more

[Darth Loo-knee]

I have been voting for the BNP for ages now and will carrying on doing so.
I have a few black friends so would not call myself racist.
This term Racist is getting beyond a joke to be fair
If I go down the road a call someone a Paki I can get into trouble, why he is from Pakistan? People from Australia get called Aussies whats the difference? Yet they can call us white people whatever they want and get away with it...
As for the war as I have read and heard from my Grandad who was a "Desert Rat" the Yanks came in near the end anyway, they also were supplying the enemy with arms My Grandad could not stand the Americans, I wonder why?
We should be Proud to be British, our Parents and Grandparents fought and went through hardship like none of us can even start to imagine, enough so I think all pensioners should get free electric, gas, be properly looked after... We all owe them this.
A few weeks ago my Nanna's friend who is 86 years old had a knock at the door, she is in a wheelchair so her friend who was visiting answered the door, too foreign looking men barged in pushing her to the room where the lady in the wheelchair was. They demanded £500 from her, she was terrified, told them she had not got that sort of money but she had £100 upstairs. They followed her up as she went on her chairlift. They took the £100 and legged it.
These people are not welcome especially by me.
I would take a bat to these people quite happily making sure they wouldn't be able to leg it again.

[KillerWatt]

While the BNP sing from the hymn sheet that we all want to hear, there is no disputing whatsoever that they are nothing more than a bunch of racist, hypocritical c0cks.
Talking of c0ck, their glorious leader is no stranger to that himself...which is quite ironic seeing as they quite clearly condemn "batting for the same side" in their manifesto.

[crazyjoetavola]

I hope the BNP pick up enough votes to make the major parties take notice that they (BNP) are doing something right.

[/highlight]

 .......whatever happens Pete I think that the political structure as we have known it, will change -  and we  currently bear witness to that very change.  We are abound in interesting times

[Elite Pete]

While the BNP sing from the hymn sheet that we all want to hear, there is no disputing whatsoever that they are nothing more than a bunch of racist, hypocritical c0cks.
Talking of c0ck, their glorious leader is no stranger to that himself...which is quite ironic seeing as they quite clearly condemn "batting for the same side" in their manifesto.

Know him well do you

[KillerWatt]

While the BNP sing from the hymn sheet that we all want to hear, there is no disputing whatsoever that they are nothing more than a bunch of racist, hypocritical c0cks.
Talking of c0ck, their glorious leader is no stranger to that himself...which is quite ironic seeing as they quite clearly condemn "batting for the same side" in their manifesto.

Know him well do you

Why reduce your chances by 50%? 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

All i'm saying is. They'll be getting my vote

And my vote as well for MEP, to all the doubters could I suggest you actually read the BNP manifesto. And then make your comments. I am not a fascist nor a racist.
My vote for local elections went to just the opposition in my local area. And I have voted already by post.

I am just about thankful we still have the right to vote for who as individuals we wish to vote for.

I will say no more

I have and it reads along the same lines as the Nazi Party Manifesto of the early 1930s.  All very reasonable, all very patriotic and straight forward.  The BNP, like the Nazi manifesto never explains what comes next; what happens after the first "foreigners" are ejected; what happens when the military are built up enough to "protect the fatherland"...sorry "motherland" as the BNP put it, or what happens when the "fatherland", sorry there I go again, "motherland" requires her interests to expand to feed her ambitions and losses patience will those who democratically object?  Well, you just dismantle the democracy that has put you into power to try and ensure no oppostion can ever exist again!

Cannot happen, well please read German history after 30th January 1933.  

[Jukeboxnut]

The first manifesto through my door was for the BNP and I must say that so far he is the only candidate in this area who is prepared to tackle the severe localised coastal erosion we are suffering.  For that reason alone he gets my vote, the fact that as I get older (and more cynical) I find myself agreeing with most of their policies is a bonus.