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[humbucker]

i was there, staying in battery park a few hundred yards from 'ground zero' 9 years ago today. the most surreal/life changing day i'm likely ever to experience.

[charlie]

May be someone,knew what was planned and took measures to bring the building down in a safe and controlled manner,     just in case,what was going to happen could not be stopped

[eddie]

It truly amazes me that just about every significant human disaster (Death of Elvis anyone?) gets twisted around by some very strange people-very weird!

I suppose the CIA altered the weather and caused  Hurricane Katrina-and followed that up with the Gulf oil rig fire.
I wouldn't mind betting they rigged the vote in Germany in 193whatever that got Hitler into power--they certainly did well post 1946 when it was all over.

There was a programme on Discovery that detailed events up to the collapse--I,m no expert but everything as explained certainly rang true with me.

edie

[Turk]

It's the American government that is questionable, not the people. Of course Bush had a hand in 9/11.

The main priorities for many CIA agents was to obtain footage from any cctv cameras that had an outside view along the last stretch flight path of the 'plane' that hit the Pentagon ?  They knew which 'plane' it was etc, so what use would this be ?

And as for the announcment that the passport of one of the terrorists had been found in the rubble. 

It took a while for me to pay any attention to these conspiracy theory nutters, but there are far too many theories that sound more probable than the ones the U.S governments official announcments would have us believe.   

 

[albitz]

The steel didnt need to melt Cem, it just needed to deform/ buckle approx 30cm - which would be the approx. bearing of the concrete slabs onto the steel - and the slabs would lose their bearing on the steel and fall down to the next floor.
Michael Moore - I have read his books and seen his films on a range of subjects from 9/11, the British NHS, to his version of the truth about Northern Ireland. The man is a pathological liar with an extreme left wing agenda, I think if the U.S powers that be had ever taken him seriously they would have had him quietly shot for being a complete subversive. They havent because he is a national joke.

BTW - about the central core of the towers - there was nothing in there but plumbing wiring and iirc the lift shafts. Nothing structural at all.

[Nickbat]

It's the American government that is questionable, not the people. Of course Bush had a hand in 9/11.

The main priorities for many CIA agents was to obtain footage from any cctv cameras that had an outside view along the last stretch flight path of the 'plane' that hit the Pentagon ?  They knew which 'plane' it was etc, so what use would this be ?

And as for the announcment that the passport of one of the terrorists had been found in the rubble. 

It took a while for me to pay any attention to these conspiracy theory nutters, but there are far too many theories that sound more probable than the ones the U.S governments official announcments would have us believe.   

 

Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/debunking-911-myths-pentagon

The AP photo above the article clearly shows twisted metal with the colour scheme of American Airlines.

But believe what you want. 

[cem_devecioglu]

"I've filmed there before down at the Pentagon-- before 9/11-- there's got to be at least 100 cameras, ringing that building, in the trees, everywhere. They've got that plane coming in with 100 angles. How come with haven't seen the straight-- I'm not talking about stop-action photos, I'm talking about the video. I want to see the video; I want to see 100 videos that exist of this," Moore said.

he cant ..  for the obvious reason..

[Nickbat]

I find this particular thread very strange. Just as in debates over climate change, there is very little discussion about the actual events, merely supposition. Tellingly though (for me at any rate), that supposition is liberally laced with an almost maniacal hatred of Bush, the Republican Party and the US as a whole.

You can question Bush and his administration as much as you like on policy issues, but only an ignoramus would question his patriotism - indeed some would say it verged on zealotry.

To suggest that he or members of his party would murder over 3,000 of his own US citizens is unthinkably daft - thus making it is perfectly acceptable to left-wing hoax theorists.    

[Nickbat]

"I've filmed there before down at the Pentagon-- before 9/11-- there's got to be at least 100 cameras, ringing that building, in the trees, everywhere. They've got that plane coming in with 100 angles. How come with haven't seen the straight-- I'm not talking about stop-action photos, I'm talking about the video. I want to see the video; I want to see 100 videos that exist of this," Moore said.

he cant ..  for the obvious reason..

The obvious reason being that it was flying at 500mph. 

Just give Moore another pie or two. That should keep him quiet for a while.

[cem_devecioglu]

and before criticising those theories..

before 9/11 who helped Bin laden for those guns , for what country , for what war.. what were the relations..

I know those answers which is a fact..

I'm afraid Bush era needs a very deep investigation..

but no chance for that.. :-/

[cem_devecioglu]

"I've filmed there before down at the Pentagon-- before 9/11-- there's got to be at least 100 cameras, ringing that building, in the trees, everywhere. They've got that plane coming in with 100 angles. How come with haven't seen the straight-- I'm not talking about stop-action photos, I'm talking about the video. I want to see the video; I want to see 100 videos that exist of this," Moore said.

he cant ..  for the obvious reason..

The obvious reason being that it was flying at 500mph. 

Just give Moore another pie or two. That should keep him quiet for a while.

any video camera can picture objects even 5 times faster or more

[Turk]

"I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building."

Ok, find a link to an image of these 'marks' on the Pentagons exterior wall. Just one will do. 

[cem_devecioglu]

just check the link there are some interesting info
in honestjoe writing..

http://digg.com/news/politics/Michael_Moore_Calls_For_New_9_11_Investigation

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I find this particular thread very strange. Just as in debates over climate change, there is very little discussion about the actual events, merely supposition. Tellingly though (for me at any rate), that supposition is liberally laced with an almost maniacal hatred of Bush, the Republican Party and the US as a whole.

You can question Bush and his administration as much as you like on policy issues, but only an ignoramus would question his patriotism - indeed some would say it verged on zealotry.

To suggest that he or members of his party would murder over 3,000 of his own US citizens is unthinkably daft - thus making it is perfectly acceptable to left-wing hoax theorists.    

 

Indeed Nick, exactly my point in my earlier post.  And everyone involved, totalling hundreds, if not thousands, would have to be kept quiet until they die for a story, if true, worth millions of dollars!! 

It is just totally implausible

[Nickbat]

"I've filmed there before down at the Pentagon-- before 9/11-- there's got to be at least 100 cameras, ringing that building, in the trees, everywhere. They've got that plane coming in with 100 angles. How come with haven't seen the straight-- I'm not talking about stop-action photos, I'm talking about the video. I want to see the video; I want to see 100 videos that exist of this," Moore said.

he cant ..  for the obvious reason..

The obvious reason being that it was flying at 500mph. 

Just give Moore another pie or two. That should keep him quiet for a while.

any video camera can picture objects even 5 times faster or more

Come on, Cem! These are CCTV cameras. 

CCCTV cameras can operate in low light, but cannot capture high-speed video. Also, their field of view is rather restricted - deliberately so as they are there to catch intruders on foot. I would expect this field of view to be no more than than a couple of hundred feet at best - any more would make detail of intruders too indistinct.

An aircraft travelling at 500mph covers 700 to 800 ft. per second.