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[omegabsw]

how can nokia compete with the iphone? its a hand held computer that has everything you could ever want. i dont have either but if i was gonna spend a lot on a phone or get a new contract it would have to be an iphone

The gayPhone is not for everyone

They are trash, for kids and people that dont mind 500mb's internet allowence for £35 a month.
Every Iphone 4 user that I know of on O2 is so scared to use his 3g because of costs. They just want to hook up to WiFi.

My iphone 4 on 3 lasted about a week, I decided that I did actually want to view internet pages that used flash so I sent it back. DPD came out to collect it and dropped me off a BB Torch.
I have never had a BB before but I am smitten with this one! 

Horses for courses.  No phone is perfect for everyone, you just have to find something that suits your own personal needs


That said, I'm surprised a Gooseberry suits anyone's needs outside of corporate environments  :-/ (Rasberrys are really good for centralised management - thats their niche, but at the expense of functionality/usability).


As to 3g usage, thats a fear put about by people who tether their phones (legally or otherwise).  Mrs TB's contract O2 is 'unlimited' (soft capped at 3g when investigating). In the (almost) year and a half since she's had it, I don't think she has done 1Gb download (and about half again for upload). She uses it a lot, and uses Exchange push for mail.

My O2 is 'unlimited' data on PAYG (first year is free unlimited data), not found what the 'unlimited' soft cap is. I'm quite a heavy user of data, yet I too have only managed 1Gb download in the (almost) year I've had this. Once the year or unlimited free data is up, I'll be popping it onto contract, £15 a month, with a 500Mb limit (O2) or £15 a month with a 1Gb limit (Tesco, which uses O2) - (I'll probably go for former). I probably abuse mine as well, as I tend to stream TV (live and recorded) from my Media Center at home


However, the cap is irrelevent, all smartphone contracts have a 500Mb-1Gb cap (stated or soft capped), as the mobile providers haven't kept their infrastructure in line with potential use (in same way broadband providers never foresaw the P2P/Usenet issue flooding networks).


I know of nobody with a contracted data allowance switch off mobile data.

No O2 just slow it down so its close to being unusable

[M]

Like others on here I have spent pretty much the last 16 years using various Nokia handsets, wouldnt have considered anything else....

However, when it came to replacing my brilliant N95 8gb just over 2 years ago the new Nokias at that time were getting slated everywhere I read and when i went to try one, an N85, it was simply crap. Too plasticky and kept freezing.

After considering other options I went for an iPhone 3g and got the iPhone 4 not long after it came out.

Now I honestly cant see how I can find a better phone, it does everything......

Map software that can find company names, shop phone numbers etc as well as route directions free of charge.....

Full sat nav available free via Apps

A HD video camera and 5mp camera.....

Stores songs, movies and TV programmes and plays them all in crystal clear perfection.....

Like a mini-PSP with all sorts of great, weird and wacky games to play.....

Looks fantastic and feels such high quality compared to other phones too....

And regarding the "aerial problem".....I always put covers on my mobiles from the very first day so I have no issues at all with signal droppages.....

If there is a phone coming that is better all round than that then I cant wait to see it........

iPhone 5 maybe !!

[omegabsw]

Like others on here I have spent pretty much the last 16 years using various Nokia handsets, wouldnt have considered anything else....

However, when it came to replacing my brilliant N95 8gb just over 2 years ago the new Nokias at that time were getting slated everywhere I read and when i went to try one, an N85, it was simply crap. Too plasticky and kept freezing.

After considering other options I went for an iPhone 3g and got the iPhone 4 not long after it came out.

Now I honestly cant see how I can find a better phone, it does everything......

Map software that can find company names, shop phone numbers etc as well as route directions free of charge.....

Full sat nav available free via Apps

A HD video camera and 5mp camera.....

Stores songs, movies and TV programmes and plays them all in crystal clear perfection.....

Like a mini-PSP with all sorts of great, weird and wacky games to play.....

Looks fantastic and feels such high quality compared to other phones too....

And regarding the "aerial problem".....I always put covers on my mobiles from the very first day so I have no issues at all with signal droppages.....

If there is a phone coming that is better all round than that then I cant wait to see it........

iPhone 5 maybe !!

You could find one with a decent browser and that displays flash.

If the iphone 5 will enable flash then I will buy one but until that happens I am sticking with a phone where I have the ability to decide what websites I can and cannot view. Not let Steve decide for me!

[M]

Like others on here I have spent pretty much the last 16 years using various Nokia handsets, wouldnt have considered anything else....

However, when it came to replacing my brilliant N95 8gb just over 2 years ago the new Nokias at that time were getting slated everywhere I read and when i went to try one, an N85, it was simply crap. Too plasticky and kept freezing.

After considering other options I went for an iPhone 3g and got the iPhone 4 not long after it came out.

Now I honestly cant see how I can find a better phone, it does everything......

Map software that can find company names, shop phone numbers etc as well as route directions free of charge.....

Full sat nav available free via Apps

A HD video camera and 5mp camera.....

Stores songs, movies and TV programmes and plays them all in crystal clear perfection.....

Like a mini-PSP with all sorts of great, weird and wacky games to play.....

Looks fantastic and feels such high quality compared to other phones too....

And regarding the "aerial problem".....I always put covers on my mobiles from the very first day so I have no issues at all with signal droppages.....

If there is a phone coming that is better all round than that then I cant wait to see it........

iPhone 5 maybe !!

You could find one with a decent browser and that displays flash.

If the iphone 5 will enable flash then I will buy one but until that happens I am sticking with a phone where I have the ability to decide what websites I can and cannot view. Not let Steve decide for me!

Browser works perfectly well for me to be honest, as a non techy joe public consumer

I havent come across anything that has told me I need flash installed, maybe I am only using a fraction of what the phone can do.......

[tunnie]

Flash won't be on the iPhone 5, its not handset, hardware issue. Its because Apple and Adobe don't get on very well 

Flash though, on a mobile device for websites is a mixed blessing, trouble with embedded flash content is its quite high in data amount, so takes a while to download.

Its an issue on the iPad, but for iPhone, i've never come across an issue browsing.

Three's data figures are there just for headlines. I really use a shed ton of data in my job, streaming live Sky mobile TV, installing tons of apps, since September last year (I reset it when I went to Japan) i've only used 3GB on 3G.

For the average web browsing use, 500mb is a fair limit. The only time you will break that is tethering.

[fudy]

it did not look good for nokia when they wound up the symbian foundation! symbian is still the best phone os out there, that's if you don't judge it on visual bells and whistles, but on the features it supports. imho it's always been miles ahead of android/ios. but the reliability issues with s60v5 have cost nokia dearly and it looks like symbian is doomed    its like betamax all over again!!!!!!!

[omegabsw]

Flash won't be on the iPhone 5, its not handset, hardware issue. Its because Apple and Adobe don't get on very well 

Flash though, on a mobile device for websites is a mixed blessing, trouble with embedded flash content is its quite high in data amount, so takes a while to download.

Its an issue on the iPad, but for iPhone, i've never come across an issue browsing.

Three's data figures are there just for headlines. I really use a shed ton of data in my job, streaming live Sky mobile TV, installing tons of apps, since September last year (I reset it when I went to Japan) i've only used 3GB on 3G.

For the average web browsing use, 500mb is a fair limit. The only time you will break that is tethering.

I have 2 friends, both 30 year old males with Iphone 4 contracts on 02, they are both not really "Heavy" users but both are out within the first week of their monthly allowence.

This wouldnt be a problem for most providers as you can ring them up and change tariff/add allowence but with 02 and their "Pay as you go" style internet allowence even when you are already paying £35 a month IMO is nothing short of taking the p*** out of their customers. But thats the thing most iphone users would still have an iphone if it was £50 a month with no data, they are only after the phone as a fashion accessory.

I use about 3 gig a month and I also stream videos and upload them, I cant imagine you stream much live sky tv a day to be using that little data allowence.

As someone said before its horses for courses but I can tell you that anybody on an Iphone 4 deal with 02 is paying WELL over the odds, especially when you take into account someone on the same provider but with a Iphone 3g.

[Webby the Bear]

i know theyre not for everyone. some like a simple phone which can call n text. some like it to be the hub of their life.

so its simple. if you want the former you go to argos and them 7.99 for their cheapest handset.

if you want all bells n whistles get an iphone

[tunnie]

Flash won't be on the iPhone 5, its not handset, hardware issue. Its because Apple and Adobe don't get on very well 

Flash though, on a mobile device for websites is a mixed blessing, trouble with embedded flash content is its quite high in data amount, so takes a while to download.

Its an issue on the iPad, but for iPhone, i've never come across an issue browsing.

Three's data figures are there just for headlines. I really use a shed ton of data in my job, streaming live Sky mobile TV, installing tons of apps, since September last year (I reset it when I went to Japan) i've only used 3GB on 3G.

For the average web browsing use, 500mb is a fair limit. The only time you will break that is tethering.

I use about 3 gig a month and I also stream videos and upload them, I cant imagine you stream much live sky tv a day to be using that little data allowence.

You've got some apps using a lot of background data then, its very hard to burn through 100mb a day on a mobile phone. There are very, very few reasons to justify that data (without tethering) The limits are in place to stop exactly that. Average user will be fine with 500mb a month.

[zirk]

Flash won't be on the iPhone 5, its not handset, hardware issue. Its because Apple and Adobe don't get on very well 

Flash though, on a mobile device for websites is a mixed blessing, trouble with embedded flash content is its quite high in data amount, so takes a while to download.

Its an issue on the iPad, but for iPhone, i've never come across an issue browsing.

Three's data figures are there just for headlines. I really use a shed ton of data in my job, streaming live Sky mobile TV, installing tons of apps, since September last year (I reset it when I went to Japan) i've only used 3GB on 3G.

For the average web browsing use, 500mb is a fair limit. The only time you will break that is tethering.

I use about 3 gig a month and I also stream videos and upload them, I cant imagine you stream much live sky tv a day to be using that little data allowence.

You've got some apps using a lot of background data then, its very hard to burn through 100mb a day on a mobile phone. There are very, very few reasons to justify that data (without tethering) The limits are in place to stop exactly that. Average user will be fine with 500mb a month.

Noticed the other day that Three have launched an 'all you can eat internet' on their 1 Plan.

http://store-3.co.uk/3-unlimited-data-one-plan.html?id=014410000454&gclid=CJfEpK_ChacCFY4f4QodHzg5fQ

Wondering what would happen if you slapped the Sim in a HSDPA doggle and hammered it on your PC,  :-/

Chris.

[TheBoy]

No O2 just slow it down so its close to being unusable

Utter 'dangle berries'. I can tell you exactly what O2 do if you overstep the limit, and it isn't traffic shaping.

I am glad three offer you free facebook and utube, if thats what you use.  Personally, I'm a bit too old for those, thus I do not have a facebook account, nor do I bother looking at utube.

I do keep looking at three, as they offer some good options, but the coverage isn't good enough for me.  That said, its superior to Vodafone in these parts


As to the gayPhone and Flash, it doesn't bother me it doesn't work (beyond utube - but then I dont bother with that anyway). Never look at websites that need flash. What is more important to me is it working on a wide range of sites, something most smartphones fall down on.


But, as I said earlier, horses for courses.

[zirk]

No O2 just slow it down so its close to being unusable

Utter 'dangle berries'. I can tell you exactly what O2 do if you overstep the limit, and it isn't traffic shaping.

I am glad three offer you free facebook and utube, if thats what you use.  Personally, I'm a bit too old for those, thus I do not have a facebook account, nor do I bother looking at utube.

I do keep looking at three, as they offer some good options, but the coverage isn't good enough for me.  That said, its superior to Vodafone in these parts


As to the gayPhone and Flash, it doesn't bother me it doesn't work (beyond utube - but then I dont bother with that anyway). Never look at websites that need flash. What is more important to me is it working on a wide range of sites, something most smartphones fall down on.


But, as I said earlier, horses for courses.

So you wont be using Twitface then when Facebook and Twitter merge.

[TheBoy]

No O2 just slow it down so its close to being unusable

Utter 'dangle berries'. I can tell you exactly what O2 do if you overstep the limit, and it isn't traffic shaping.

I am glad three offer you free facebook and utube, if thats what you use.  Personally, I'm a bit too old for those, thus I do not have a facebook account, nor do I bother looking at utube.

I do keep looking at three, as they offer some good options, but the coverage isn't good enough for me.  That said, its superior to Vodafone in these parts


As to the gayPhone and Flash, it doesn't bother me it doesn't work (beyond utube - but then I dont bother with that anyway). Never look at websites that need flash. What is more important to me is it working on a wide range of sites, something most smartphones fall down on.


But, as I said earlier, horses for courses.

So you wont be using Twitface then when Facebook and Twitter merge.

I don't idiotter either, I'm a bit too masculine for that...

[Jimbob]

Flash won't be on the iPhone 5, its not handset, hardware issue. Its because Apple and Adobe don't get on very well 

Flash though, on a mobile device for websites is a mixed blessing, trouble with embedded flash content is its quite high in data amount, so takes a while to download.

Its an issue on the iPad, but for iPhone, i've never come across an issue browsing.

Three's data figures are there just for headlines. I really use a shed ton of data in my job, streaming live Sky mobile TV, installing tons of apps, since September last year (I reset it when I went to Japan) i've only used 3GB on 3G.

For the average web browsing use, 500mb is a fair limit. The only time you will break that is tethering.

I use about 3 gig a month and I also stream videos and upload them, I cant imagine you stream much live sky tv a day to be using that little data allowence.

You've got some apps using a lot of background data then, its very hard to burn through 100mb a day on a mobile phone. There are very, very few reasons to justify that data (without tethering) The limits are in place to stop exactly that. Average user will be fine with 500mb a month.

Noticed the other day that Three have launched an 'all you can eat internet' on their 1 Plan.

http://store-3.co.uk/3-unlimited-data-one-plan.html?id=014410000454&gclid=CJfEpK_ChacCFY4f4QodHzg5fQ

Wondering what would happen if you slapped the Sim in a HSDPA doggle and hammered it on your PC,  :-/

Chris.

Ive just signed up to that, and although the girl in a shop mentioned you could do that...
I bought it online and it is plainly mentioned use as a 'modem' is not permitted, but they will sell you an addon so you can.

[Lazydocker]

To be honest, I cane the internet on my mobile... When I'm at work I surf the net (mainly OOF) for 7-8 hours/day and have never gone over my 1gb "fair usage" on mine

As for the lack of flash... Not really an issue IMO. If I need to view a Flash embedded website I'll do it at home on the Laptop