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Re: Towing an uninsured, untaxed, unMOT'd car
« Reply #75 on: 22 August 2011, 11:00:08 »

You could discuss to death whether or not it's right to limit weight entitlements for people passing their tests after 1997, or whether it's right for people passing their test before this period to retain their 'grandfather rights' - but the reality is, rightly or wrongly, this is what the law says.

You could also spend all day talking about whether or not it's safe (regardless of legality) to tow more than the allowed weight if you're careful, and using the right kit - and whether or not some coppers vs others would want to do anything about it - but the bottom line is still that the offence, as per the letter of the law, would be complete.

The offence would be that of driving otherwise than in accordance with your licence. In terms of penalties for this, if you get an understanding copper and he/she suspects you're maybe only marginally over the weight, they might just give you some advice or a telling off.

Otherwise, if you get done for it, it starts around 3 points and 60 beer tokens, but could potentially be a lot more severe depending on the magistrate, and how much you were extracting the urine by what / how you were towing.   ;D  :y

I can't remember the URL, but search google - as there is a site whereby you can put in your start/end destination, and what you need moving, and companies will 'bid' for your business. I've found it hugely competitive :y :y
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Re: Towing an uninsured, untaxed, unMOT'd car
« Reply #76 on: 22 August 2011, 11:03:27 »

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We took entirely different tests to those who who passed recently

Exactly, in the old days you just had to ride in a straight line and not fall off, people who pass bike test now cannot ride above 33 bhp until they reach 21(?)

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Do you think people who pass now are better trained than 40 years ago?  :-/
Or, my licence entitles be to drive rigid 7.5 tonne lorries.  Should I see no issue in driving an artic, or PSV?
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But my license says I cannot drive 7.5 ton, what extra training did you have at your driving test for this? You took same basic test I did, with same core parts.

Ahh, but back in the old days we still had common sense, so once you could drive a car getting into a 7.5 tonner and taking it easy, feeling your way around it until you got some confidence was fine.

Now, common sense has been banned so we have to be mollycoddled every inch of the way through life. ;)

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At the end of the day, if you haven't got the entitlement you are breaking the law to do it

Yep. No use arguing that it's no different for you. If the piece of paper says you can't drive it, you don't have much of an argument if you end up before the beak trying to justify your actions. ;)
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Re: Towing an uninsured, untaxed, unMOT'd car
« Reply #77 on: 22 August 2011, 12:20:59 »

So after 5 pages , we have pinpointed that 1997 was the pivotal year. Before that we are all expert drivers. After that you are all drivers lacking common sense, ability, keeping your distance from vehicle in front and anticipation etc.(i.e. model BMW drivers).  ;D ;D

We need to find out what happened that year and more importantly which party was in power so they can be blamed.  :y

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Re: Towing an uninsured, untaxed, unMOT'd car
« Reply #78 on: 22 August 2011, 18:25:31 »

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So after 5 pages , we have pinpointed that 1997 was the pivotal year. Before that we are all expert drivers. After that you are all drivers lacking common sense, ability, keeping your distance from vehicle in front and anticipation etc.(i.e. model BMW drivers).  ;D ;D

We need to find out what happened that year and more importantly which party was in power so they can be blamed.  :y

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Then there were people like my dad who never took a test, as it wasn't a requirement when he got a car. Or people of a certain age who were in the army.

I guess they have had to tighten up because driving standards have clearly dropped (a trip on any UK commuter motorway shows that, or driving through Milton Keynes - but then most of the non-UK people there probably don't have a licence), and roads have become busier, faster places.

'My' generation (ie, codgers) cope better in winter, remember to prepare, and drive to those conditions.  Because we have experience of proper winters.  Look at the kids in their chavved up shitboxes last winter, getting stuck everywhere, and nothing for warmth beyond a t-shirt and a baseball cap.

Trouble is, my' generation has bred a generation of me-me-me idiots, who don't care/consider anything but themselves, and will pull out in inappropriate gap, or make manuovers with no warning/signalling to other road users.

This makes the roads a dangerous place, thus the do-gooders have to meadle.  I agree with the bike restrictions introduced in the mid 90s.  I mean, at 17yrs old, I could jump on the worlds fastest bikes that Yamaha and Kawasaki were throwing out at the time (with emphasis on speed, not handling or stopping ::)), which was plain crazy.  Even the smaller bikes, being 2 stroke, were bonkers.



Another factor, again based around the difference in society, was a closer knit family, and it was less common to move out before getting married, and less common to move far from the family home.  And money was harder to come by.

This meant that we couldn't afford cars at 18yrs old. It was a bike, and if you had a job (remember it was well over 3m unemployed), your bike had an engine ;D.  You were taught how to drive properly by dad/older brothers, not taught how to pass a test by a businessman just interested in statistics. Specifically, I remember the first time I towed a trailer I had dad with me (telling me, rightly, to slow down), and the first 'big' thing I towed (legally ::)), a speedboat, I had my oldest brother with me (I had towed this previously, from around the age of 15, but always on, presumably, private land where we used to go water skiing, again, initially, with supervision). Towing and being towed in cars on tow-ropes, well, I worked at British Telecom for years, and that was a very regular occurance ;D

Today is different, and we all need to accept that.  There are certainly more arrogant tossers on the road, who care not about others. Our children do get cars at 18, and are only taught how to pass an arbitary test. Our children have limited roadskills at this point, as we drive them to/from everywhere, and in the back seat (my niece recently failed her test because she didn't have a clue where places were in her own town), rather than making them learn the Green Cross Code, and sending them everywhere on their bikes, including doing the shopping. And us old codgers would fail the driving test for using the gears to slow down.  We pepper our cars with airbags, ABS, ESP, TC to make our children safe, yet cannot account for when they overstep what the electronics can recover from.




Imagining some of the younger drivers I see on the road being allowed to drive Cargos and the like scares the shit out of me.
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Re: Towing an uninsured, untaxed, unMOT'd car
« Reply #79 on: 22 August 2011, 18:27:27 »

For the record, BTW, a certain person has said I can borrow his Range Rover for the day, so just need to source a trailer...   ...ideally in the Brackley/Oxford area...  ...although there is no certainty this will all go ahead anyway...
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Re: Towing an uninsured, untaxed, unMOT'd car
« Reply #80 on: 22 August 2011, 19:48:54 »

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For the record, BTW, a certain person has said I can borrow his Range Rover for the day, so just need to source a trailer...   ...ideally in the Brackley/Oxford area...  ...although there is no certainty this will all go ahead anyway...

Just spent the last three days reading the thread lol, all the best for getting the car from a to b  :y, think ya gotta let little fairies pick it up and teleport it with magic wands that'd keep the ecilops happy!

Bloody nightmare eh??!?!
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Re: Towing an uninsured, untaxed, unMOT'd car
« Reply #81 on: 23 August 2011, 08:39:11 »

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For the record, BTW, a certain person has said I can borrow his Range Rover for the day, so just need to source a trailer...   ...ideally in the Brackley/Oxford area...  ...although there is no certainty this will all go ahead anyway...

You know the garage next to the bike place in town? I spotted on the notice board, they had trailers. Full size. Think about 40 quid for the day :)
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Re: Towing an uninsured, untaxed, unMOT'd car
« Reply #82 on: 23 August 2011, 10:05:32 »

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... righting a Discovery that had been towing another one on a quality trailer. There were two written off Discos, and a knackered trailer, all caused by braking suddenly when someone pulled out in front of him. Experienced driver, legal rig.

A couple of years ago we were first in the queue on what became a closed motorway when the same as this happened a few minutes before we got there. 3 blokes were crawling out of the towing Land Rover, son, Dad & then his Dad, all very shook up but OK. They were towing another older Land Rover on a trailer which was also on its side.  :( No idea of the cause ..... maybe speed as it was after a long decline  :-/  :-/


Most dangerous thing for towing, after side winds and steep long hill.
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« Reply #83 on: 23 August 2011, 10:06:04 »

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Horses are different, they weigh about 2ton on their own!  :o
So does an Omega.

You wouldn't want someone riding a bike without a licence, would you  :-/

License has sod all to do with it.

Person 1) Passes their test in 1995, they can tow more than a gross weight of 3.5 ton, they had no extra training for this.

Person 2) Passes their test in 1998, they are now limited to 3.5 ton.

What training has person 1 had extra? What makes them more qualified to tow?  :-?

Older generation with full license can tow a caravan, I've seen some really awful towing by older people. They had no extra training  :)


Why don't you just take the towing test, it will come in useful one day.
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« Reply #84 on: 23 August 2011, 10:08:01 »

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Horses are different, they weigh about 2ton on their own!  :o
So does an Omega.

You wouldn't want someone riding a bike without a licence, would you  :-/

...and Towing a Horsebox with animal onboard is totally different to towing a caravan or another vehicle, think about having a glass of water on the dashboard or thinking like a bus driver has too with passengers standing up.

I would imagine totally different to a van.

Van more affected by wind, larger, need more care not to hit things.

HB smaller, heavy load, load is alive and can get very scared, need more care not to scare load.
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« Reply #85 on: 23 August 2011, 10:13:43 »

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Yes I agree that most people have broken the speed limit, but you fail to see that the real problem here is that 80Mph down a twisty country road where you are highly likely to meet horseboxes or farm machinery is a surefire way to spend an afternoon at the undertakers.

As far as everyone breaking the law goes, i'm afraid that's no defence to you doing 80Mph down a country lane, ask any Police Officer if Joe Bloggs having no tax is a valid reason for you to be speeding 20Mph above the absolute maximum for such a road and I don't think that will gain you anything.

I'm not picking on you in particular (though I have used your posts to highlight the point), but sometimes it takes a reality check such as an accident before realisation sets in. I just don't want your first reality check to be under the wheels of a 4wd and Horsebox with nothing but a crash helmet to save you.....


Biggest issue down lanes isn't speed but bad driving.

Bad driving includes inappropiate speed.

It also includes cuting T junctions in Discoverys nearly taking front ends off Omega 2.6CDs and BMW 318is s and yes we are going to report her when we get the number!

Clear road good visability you can fly down it, but if you can't see slow right down.

I commute down lanes as it is eaier and quicker than the main road (no long queues behind Mr/Mrs 40), I often come across same speed people, I pass on clear safe roads then they tailgate me through a village.

I will admit to hurtling down clear roads but where there is no visability go very carefull.

Horsse boxes are least of your worries - try a combine!
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Re: Towing an uninsured, untaxed, unMOT'd car
« Reply #86 on: 23 August 2011, 10:21:37 »

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Horses are different, they weigh about 2ton on their own!  :o
So does an Omega.

You wouldn't want someone riding a bike without a licence, would you  :-/

...and Towing a Horsebox with animal onboard is totally different to towing a caravan or another vehicle, think about having a glass of water on the dashboard or thinking like a bus driver has too with passengers standing up.

I would imagine totally different to a van.

Van more affected by wind, larger, need more care not to hit things.

HB smaller, heavy load, load is alive and can get very scared, need more care not to scare load.

HB is, as you say, totally different. As said above, treat it like a full glass of water ;) Everything has to be smooth and gentle, a bit like driving in snow really, and plenty of awareness of what it going on around you :y :y

It's quite disconcerting when the animal in the box is having a temper tantrum and jumping up and down as well ::) ;D
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« Reply #87 on: 23 August 2011, 10:30:14 »

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I commute down lanes as it is eaier and quicker than the main road (no long queues behind Mr/Mrs 40), I often come across same speed people, I pass on clear safe roads then they tailgate me through a village.

That one absolutely does my nut in! The lanes I use to & from work don't have many safe overtaking opportunities (too many hills & bends, and my eyes can't see over hills, sadly) - much less in the Omega - so I tend to be stuck behind the person doing 40mph..

Who invariably speeds up when they get to a 30 or 40 limit village!

I swear, they feel 'safer' in a village (despite all the side junctions, parked cars, SCHOOLS!, children, etc) than they do on a country lane .. proximity of trees must really freak them out.

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« Reply #88 on: 23 August 2011, 10:37:23 »

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I commute down lanes as it is eaier and quicker than the main road (no long queues behind Mr/Mrs 40), I often come across same speed people, I pass on clear safe roads then they tailgate me through a village.

That one absolutely does my nut in! The lanes I use to & from work don't have many safe overtaking opportunities (too many hills & bends, and my eyes can't see over hills, sadly) - much less in the Omega - so I tend to be stuck behind the person doing 40mph..

Who invariably speeds up when they get to a 30 or 40 limit village!

I swear, they feel 'safer' in a village (despite all the side junctions, parked cars, SCHOOLS!, children, etc) than they do on a country lane .. proximity of trees must really freak them out.

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I'm not even going there ::) ::)
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« Reply #89 on: 23 August 2011, 11:12:23 »

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I commute down lanes as it is eaier and quicker than the main road (no long queues behind Mr/Mrs 40), I often come across same speed people, I pass on clear safe roads then they tailgate me through a village.

That one absolutely does my nut in! The lanes I use to & from work don't have many safe overtaking opportunities (too many hills & bends, and my eyes can't see over hills, sadly) - much less in the Omega - so I tend to be stuck behind the person doing 40mph..

Who invariably speeds up when they get to a 30 or 40 limit village!

I swear, they feel 'safer' in a village (despite all the side junctions, parked cars, SCHOOLS!, children, etc) than they do on a country lane .. proximity of trees must really freak them out.

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I'm not even going there ::) ::)

 ;D I just couldn't help myself.. self restraint never was one of my strong suits ;)
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