Project Tractor engine swap

[TheBoy]

I think I would have moved the hammer   I have just emptied the water out of my toolbox and just spent the last hour drying the tools out    

You mean my delicate adjustment tool....

Yes, my tools are all in a mess and strewn all over the place.  I think I may have found your 12mm rachet spanner.

[TheBoy]

OK, Omegatoy, our resident TD expert has had a look. "something aint running right there" is the conclusion.

I've run the oil flush through, and got it to idle properly, and rev a bit more freely.  However, its very noisy, and smokes no end still.  I'm currently draining the oil and flush, as well as cooling system.  Then need to put some nice fresh oil in, along with some lifter treatment.

Need to change the starter, which is fubar (Tunnie and I suspected that last night), and the alternator (fubar).  Also, we suspect the pump in the tank is fubar as well.

As said, this rather car is jinxed.

[Taxi_Driver]

OK, Omegatoy, our resident TD expert has had a look. "something aint running right there" is the conclusion.

I've run the oil flush through, and got it to idle properly, and rev a bit more freely.  However, its very noisy, and smokes no end still.  I'm currently draining the oil and flush, as well as cooling system.  Then need to put some nice fresh oil in, along with some lifter treatment.

Need to change the starter, which is fubar (Tunnie and I suspected that last night), and the alternator (fubar).  Also, we suspect the pump in the tank is fubar as well.

As said, this rather car is jinxed.

I hope thats diesel smoke and not oil smoke.....if you see what i mean  :-/
If it is diesel smoke......could it just not be sooted up engine......blowing it all out....or does it smoke a lot an idle as well?

[TheBoy]

OK, Omegatoy, our resident TD expert has had a look. "something aint running right there" is the conclusion.

I've run the oil flush through, and got it to idle properly, and rev a bit more freely.  However, its very noisy, and smokes no end still.  I'm currently draining the oil and flush, as well as cooling system.  Then need to put some nice fresh oil in, along with some lifter treatment.

Need to change the starter, which is fubar (Tunnie and I suspected that last night), and the alternator (fubar).  Also, we suspect the pump in the tank is fubar as well.

As said, this rather car is jinxed.

I hope thats diesel smoke and not oil smoke.....if you see what i mean  :-/
If it is diesel smoke......could it just not be sooted up engine......blowing it all out....or does it smoke a lot an idle as well?

Its unburnt diesel smoke we think.

[JamesV6CDX]

Did you hear the donor lump running before you took it out?

If not - try putting the known good diesel injectors from the other car in it...

[Martin_1962]

Engine in...



TheBoy in...

TB POWER!!

[Marks DTM Calib]

Where there some fuel pipes mising from the donor as there look to be some missing off the old engine ?

No, had to remove to get the loom out, as the stupid BMW designers obviously somehow thought it would be a marvellous idea to trap the cable box under them....

All connected up to the right injectors.....

I assume this engine was good and running very recently before the swap?

[TheBoy]

Where there some fuel pipes mising from the donor as there look to be some missing off the old engine ?

No, had to remove to get the loom out, as the stupid BMW designers obviously somehow thought it would be a marvellous idea to trap the cable box under them....

All connected up to the right injectors.....

I assume this engine was good and running very recently before the swap?

Managed to get loom into donor engine without too much injector pipe removal.

Engine was in use until July, when gearbox failed.

[Omegatoy]

When i got there today engine was struggling to start ,  wasnt on all cylinders, attmpted to bleed filter no go, cracked injector pipes, very little if amy there either, ok removed fuel filter, to find it nearly empty!! anyway cranked engine to check fuel delivery, and nothing came out of the fuel pipe!!! Ok easy way to stop the boy worrying is to remove my fuel filter and fill his up, replace on engine, crank it starts bleed injector pipes and it ticks over on all 6, great except for the noise!!! it hellishly loud diesel knock, having seen the smoke coming out of the exhaust combined with the heavy diesel knock im reasonably convinced the injectors are pouring fuel in like buckets, I may be wrong!! but this is an early engine mated to a late management system, and the centre injector which carries the pieco lead, may have to be changed as they were different plugs which may signify differnt values to the pump!! any thoughts guys???
If its not that it either stuck injectors, or the vave lifters are gummed up and need freeing off or a combination of both!!
Omegatoy

[LFF64]

Just a thought how is the fuel pump driven, it does not need to be timed to the engine does it that could be causing problems if the timing is out slightly. Not too worried about the spanner for now    

[TheBoy]

When i got there today engine was struggling to start ,  wasnt on all cylinders, attmpted to bleed filter no go, cracked injector pipes, very little if amy there either, ok removed fuel filter, to find it nearly empty!! anyway cranked engine to check fuel delivery, and nothing came out of the fuel pipe!!! Ok easy way to stop the boy worrying is to remove my fuel filter and fill his up, replace on engine, crank it starts bleed injector pipes and it ticks over on all 6, great except for the noise!!! it hellishly loud diesel knock, having seen the smoke coming out of the exhaust combined with the heavy diesel knock im reasonably convinced the injectors are pouring fuel in like buckets, I may be wrong!! but this is an early engine mated to a late management system, and the centre injector which carries the pieco lead, may have to be changed as they were different plugs which may signify differnt values to the pump!! any thoughts guys???
If its not that it either stuck injectors, or the vave lifters are gummed up and need freeing off or a combination of both!!
Omegatoy

Loud is an understatement

By time engine had cooled and I'd had my tea, it was getting dark.  Drained oil and put fresh in. Not done oil filter yet, as I need to get one.  Found out why the air filer didn't fit - it ain't an Omega one! Hell knows why I bought that then.  Bit like the oil filters for 2.2DTi I got!

[TheBoy]

Just a thought how is the fuel pump driven, it does not need to be timed to the engine does it that could be causing problems if the timing is out slightly. Not too worried about the spanner for now    

Pump driven off cam cahin I believe, but does have a couple of degrees adjustment...

[tunnie]

When i got there today engine was struggling to start ,  wasnt on all cylinders, attmpted to bleed filter no go, cracked injector pipes, very little if amy there either, ok removed fuel filter, to find it nearly empty!! anyway cranked engine to check fuel delivery, and nothing came out of the fuel pipe!!! Ok easy way to stop the boy worrying is to remove my fuel filter and fill his up, replace on engine, crank it starts bleed injector pipes and it ticks over on all 6, great except for the noise!!! it hellishly loud diesel knock, having seen the smoke coming out of the exhaust combined with the heavy diesel knock im reasonably convinced the injectors are pouring fuel in like buckets, I may be wrong!! but this is an early engine mated to a late management system, and the centre injector which carries the pieco lead, may have to be changed as they were different plugs which may signify differnt values to the pump!! any thoughts guys???
If its not that it either stuck injectors, or the vave lifters are gummed up and need freeing off or a combination of both!!
Omegatoy

Loud is an understatement

By time engine had cooled and I'd had my tea, it was getting dark.  Drained oil and put fresh in. Not done oil filter yet, as I need to get one.  Found out why the air filer didn't fit - it ain't an Omega one! Hell knows why I bought that then.  Bit like the oil filters for 2.2DTi I got!

- They may come in handy

The garage should be sorted next weeked, your welcome to pop it by in the evenings. Parents tend to be away during the week  

[TheBoy]

When i got there today engine was struggling to start ,  wasnt on all cylinders, attmpted to bleed filter no go, cracked injector pipes, very little if amy there either, ok removed fuel filter, to find it nearly empty!! anyway cranked engine to check fuel delivery, and nothing came out of the fuel pipe!!! Ok easy way to stop the boy worrying is to remove my fuel filter and fill his up, replace on engine, crank it starts bleed injector pipes and it ticks over on all 6, great except for the noise!!! it hellishly loud diesel knock, having seen the smoke coming out of the exhaust combined with the heavy diesel knock im reasonably convinced the injectors are pouring fuel in like buckets, I may be wrong!! but this is an early engine mated to a late management system, and the centre injector which carries the pieco lead, may have to be changed as they were different plugs which may signify differnt values to the pump!! any thoughts guys???
If its not that it either stuck injectors, or the vave lifters are gummed up and need freeing off or a combination of both!!
Omegatoy

Loud is an understatement

By time engine had cooled and I'd had my tea, it was getting dark.  Drained oil and put fresh in. Not done oil filter yet, as I need to get one.  Found out why the air filer didn't fit - it ain't an Omega one! Hell knows why I bought that then.  Bit like the oil filters for 2.2DTi I got!

- They may come in handy

The garage should be sorted next weeked, your welcome to pop it by in the evenings. Parents tend to be away during the week  

Oh yes, I remember how I got them now - I'd forgotten the sequence of events (told you my memory was poor).  My own fault for getting an ex-studen to sort it out

[LFF64]

It may be worth checking the timing of that then, I have a 2.8 Pajero and that was smoking badly (unburnt deisel) and that was  suggested it may be pump timing or possiblly the pump seals which is apparently common on these Pajero that is not sure about omegas I may be talking out of my bottom  :-/ but its a thought