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albitz

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Credit where its due (politics)
« on: 09 December 2011, 22:20:21 »

Never been much of a fan of Cameron but he dug his heels in and refused to be bullied by that little sh1t Sarkozy and big bruiser Merkel last night.A touch of Bulldog spirit. Well done Dave,and plenty more of the same please. :y
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Re: Credit where its due (politics)
« Reply #1 on: 09 December 2011, 22:22:32 »

maybe he has got a backbone   but sticking 2 fingers up to europe  well done dave ;D
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Re: Credit where its due (politics)
« Reply #2 on: 09 December 2011, 22:26:23 »

Remember what happened when the Greek PM did something Merkozy didn't agree with? ...
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Re: Credit where its due (politics)
« Reply #3 on: 09 December 2011, 22:40:38 »

not necessary to accept the rules of sinking ship :D ;D
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Re: Credit where its due (politics)
« Reply #4 on: 09 December 2011, 22:42:18 »

The French dwarf is crapping himself,he's been lecturing all and sundry about banking now the French banking system is in the shit so it all must be someone elses fault... if it wasn't so serious It'd be hilarious. One of the reason we have got this close to disaster with the € is that the French have spent the last 18 months trying to either get others to bail out their banks or get the Germans to give them a free pass. The suggestion that the poison dwarf has something to get on his crate about is laughable, even if he is only trying to talk down to the posh boy idiot cameron
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Re: Credit where its due (politics)
« Reply #5 on: 09 December 2011, 22:44:57 »

the tax they wanted to apply would hit the Brits directly.. if he had signed that, it would be end of his political life ..
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Re: Credit where its due (politics)
« Reply #6 on: 09 December 2011, 23:08:08 »

Now let him show us how big his balls really are and give us a referendum on EU membership.
The answer will be for the UK to pull out, it will collapse the coalition forcing an election which the tories will win for showing they listen to the people. :y

Now that would really show the Fuhrer and her Poodle where to stick their EURO. :y
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Re: Credit where its due (politics)
« Reply #7 on: 09 December 2011, 23:20:42 »

Never been much of a fan of Cameron but he dug his heels in and refused to be bullied by that little sh1t Sarkozy and big bruiser Merkel last night.A touch of Bulldog spirit. Well done Dave,and plenty more of the same please. :y


Hmmm. Not sure we know the full story on this as yet. :-\

There was no treaty on the table to veto. So what, exactly, did he veto? ???

He knew he couldn't go along with any draft which could encompass a potential Tobin tax on the City as he would have been shot down in flames. But we're only talking drafts here, nothing concrete. And, besides which, the bureaucrats are thinking of by-passing treaty amendments altogether and merely using the existing framework to introduce new legislation. The problem is that we no longer have a say in any new legislation, which may include a new Tobin tax. Methinks he may have been set up as a patsy. I hope I'm wrong. :(

Sadly, I don't think Dave understands how the EU works. ;)

In any event, the euro is doomed, so this may be all academic anyway.

Lastly, though, anything that sticks it to the Merkozy crowd is good in my book!   :y
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Re: Credit where its due (politics)
« Reply #8 on: 10 December 2011, 00:03:11 »

You may be right Nick,but if they introduce new legislation which include some kind of transaction tax then he will have little choice but to go to the next phase of defiance which might put the UK position within the EU untannable. Heres hoping. ;)
The problem may well be though (as you alluded to) is that the euro is finished and if they dont face up to that and have an orderly funeral for it,we are all going to be in trouble.
They are playing a game of poker with incredibly high stakes, and the odds are very heavily against them. >:(
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Re: Credit where its due (politics)
« Reply #9 on: 10 December 2011, 05:10:50 »

 ;)
Let us not forget though that if the Blair company had been there instead then it would have been signed up to without hesitation.
The sooned we get off that sinking ship the better. Funny though that little Hungary has taken the same route and others now are starting to hesitate and go to referendums as they begin to realise that it will be the end of their own countries independant choices on interest rates to the doubtless benefit of those despicable snail eaters and hermans! Is their joint song titled 'If I ruled the world'?
Go on Cam - good on you and lets see more of it............Those who disagree cannot truly be English at all. :y
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Re: Credit where its due (politics)
« Reply #10 on: 10 December 2011, 05:50:53 »

;)
Let us not forget though that if the Blair company had been there instead then it would have been signed up to without hesitation.
The sooned we get off that sinking ship the better. Funny though that little Hungary has taken the same route and others now are starting to hesitate and go to referendums as they begin to realise that it will be the end of their own countries independant choices on interest rates to the doubtless benefit of those despicable snail eaters and hermans! Is their joint song titled 'If I ruled the world'?
Go on Cam - good on you and lets see more of it............Those who disagree cannot truly be English British at all. :y

Fixed that for ya. ;)
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Re: Credit where its due (politics)
« Reply #11 on: 10 December 2011, 07:58:06 »

Who still uses there own currency in europe ?

Imo, its time to start forging direct trade aliances with anybody that doesn't use the euro unless a law has been sneaked in under the radar that stops us without us knowing about it  :-\

Iirc, maybe middle age creaping in here but is it true that we can't just walk away from europe ?
Something in the small print that Bliar signed us upto ?

Maybe its Dave's plan to pish them off so much that its Merkal and her little french gimp that tears up the agreement and pushes us out ?

Just my thoughts  ;)


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Re: Credit where its due (politics)
« Reply #12 on: 10 December 2011, 08:31:52 »

Did anyone read the 7 page thing they have agreed to sign ? in one part it uses the word "forcefully" and in another bit is says use "force"

I find this rather disturbing, I mean do they intend to send in the troops ?

For anyone wanting to read it http://www.consilium.europa.eu/uedocs/cms_data/docs/pressdata/en/ec/126658.pdf
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Re: Credit where its due (politics)
« Reply #13 on: 10 December 2011, 08:36:08 »

Never been a tory fan after that bitch Thatcher but credit where it's due as others have said Dave's shown he's got the balls.
Maybe if we pulled out of the euro the goverment would save billions not having to give europe our hard earned cash thus no more strike's(my heads in the clouds buzzing on get fumes ;D)
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Re: Credit where its due (politics)
« Reply #14 on: 10 December 2011, 08:57:56 »




Hmmm. Not sure we know the full story on this as yet//...

There was no treaty on the table to veto. So what, exactly, did he veto?//...

Methinks he may have been set up as a patsy//...

Sadly, I don't think Dave understands how the EU works.






That's more like it. :y

I think the Prime Minister, assisted by the Dangerous Dems, (accompanied by their running dogs) attended this gathering expecting to carry some weight - especially with Germany.  Sadly they should have known that we were, as a nation, always likely to founder up on the rocks of Europe; the question (for anyone having a modicum of commonsense and strategic awareness) was always one of when and not if.

I would imagine that the Europe, as envisaged by those at the top table, is one of conformity and obedience – to have it any other way (as has been evident up to the moment) always risked the venture failing at the first hurdle.  For an experiment like this to succeed, the disparate nations within the association must be bound by common rules and like policy so that strategic decisions are taken on the basis of one mind.

Britain, and her traditional reluctance to wholeheartedly throw her lot into this venture over the years, was always considered to be the thorn in the paw of ‘Brussels’ and, as such, always destined to exist on the outside looking in as there is no room for question or dissent within the ‘club’

So, as far as I can see, all this determination and baring of teats (if we believe the PM and MSM) or bluster (if we look at it from a realistic perspective) may well back fire on those who have accidentally dipped their toes into the uncharted waters that wait outside the safety of the harbour provided by the EU:  One has to have the strength of will, the capability of command, and the expertise – all assisted by the intention to get down to practical politics within a country (this one for starters) - to survive on one’s own in a world where becoming part of a larger group seems to be the option of choice for many.

Sadly, I don’t think many in our administration possess that strength – I’ll go further and say that the infrastructure as it now exists within our country (local government, social services, system of justice, commercial concerns and so on) has been bled dry from the wounds inflicted by ‘Brussels’ to the point of where any remaining casualties within any such group attempted to formulate policy generated at home or stand up to be counted as those to whom we look towards to actually ‘run’ the country (with all the difficulty and self-sacrifice it requires) would fail, as those essential qualities no longer exist in the form needed to go forward from this impasse.

I think ‘we’ blundered into this without a plan ‘B’ and now that the trap has been sprung – set up by those in the ‘Union’/Germany who never had regard for this country – many in our own mongrel administration have voided their bowels at the thought of being cut loose from the safety of the ‘club’ and a political life dictated by oppression, double-dealing, bribery, financial reward and the obfuscation of high political dialogue.

We have, in my view, been done up like kippers if we expected to carry on through this present crisis by dictating terms while holding onto the half-assed attitude to ‘Brussels’ that we evidently do – in the light of that, will we have the brains and brawn to survive on the outside?   
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