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[Sir Tigger KC]

This has just popped up on facebook.  It might be a hoax, but I think he has been outspoken about his views on the EU in the past? 

[Rods2]

The Tories were losing members and voters to UKIP in huge numbers. The promise of a referendum coupled with large scale electoral fraud (so far, allegedly) stemmed the flow and got Cameron back into Number 10.
He was between a rock and a hard place, and this was his way out. He is now doing the only thing he knows how to do, to get things back to his vision of normal.
A huge gamble, yes. But if he hadn't taken it he would have been history by now.

Double whammy time for Dodgy Dave ExPM and Gideon 'I don't lie' towel folder on the 24th June both out of Government and leaving the EU means no well paid tax free job in Brussels with a generous pension.

[Rods2]

This has just popped up on facebook.  It might be a hoax, but I think he has been outspoken about his views on the EU in the past? 

Pretty much my experience of exporting in the 1980's an 90's, where about 95% of our products were exported all over the world, to all all of the continents except Antarctica, including all of Europe, Americas, Australasia, the Middle East, Japan, China and India. You don't need to belong to any trading union to trade. Successfully exporting is actually very easy, most difficult part is making sure you are paid!

[Rods2]

You have had all the "good the bad and ugly" Of what will happen if we leave or stay....That's your lot folks...All they can do is go over old ground now, so its time to vote. 

WW3 Or a night in bed with...........Angie 

Another laptop broken, you know Mrs Opti gets jealous when Lord Opti flaunts his latest totty.

[aaronjb]

most difficult part is making sure you are paid!

So no different to trading inside the UK, then .. at least in my experience!

[korum]

This has just popped up on facebook.  It might be a hoax, but I think he has been outspoken about his views on the EU in the past? 

No not a hoax.

Also at the toyota factory in derby the bosses sat everyone down and said that if we leave the EU then nothing will change and that there jobs were safe.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

I'm pretty sure Nissan and Honda have said the same. Yet Cameron was scaremongering about losing the car industry earlier in the week.
Eu car manufacturers send a hell of a lot more cars to the UK then we send to the EU, so if they impose a tariff then we can reciprocate. Seemples.

[aaronjb]

I also know someone (works in translation services, IIRC) who was sat down by their London based employer and told that if we leave the EU they'll all be looking for new jobs as the company will shut down it's UK operations; so it's not all rosy.

[johnny_boy]

The car industry in the uk is booming right now. And we are in europe.
Boris and co. need to reassure people that this will not be affected.
But a lot of the components are sourced outside the uk. Germany and places like that.
The owners of these companies (all foreign) are bound to have a plan b if things go pear shaped with brexit. This will put into question these companies being based in the uk and the thousands of jobs tied to them.
We have managed to attract this foreign investment, and are now happily worrying the foreign owners.
Its called cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[Kevin Wood]

The problem is that we have a PM who has instigated this referendum without a plan for one of the outcomes. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that he doesn't have a plan for either outcome, as I'm sure the EU will start tightening the screws once they know we've voted "in" for the long term, and I doubt he has a plan for that either.

It's the blind leading the blind, so everyone can fabricate whatever scare stories they please, and, in may cases, use them, together with positions of power, whether it be politically, or over their work force, etc. to try and influence the vote.

Factories in which huge investments have been made, and in which thousands of workers work, are not going to fall silent overnight. In fact, nothing is going to change overnight. Their trading conditions may change as the exit from the EU (or further integration into it, since that's the other option) is hammered out over the following years, but that will be small beer compared to the investment that these companies are set to lose if they simply close up shop and walk away, so I think talk of job losses is pure scaremongering.

[johnny_boy]

The answer to job losses being mere scare stories...
Two words.

Rover. Bmw.

A foreign owner saw uk trading conditions not going their way.
They sold up and walked away from the longbridge plant.

Hang on, thats not scaremongering. That actually happened.😲

[tigers_gonads]

A question for those who are swayed by the "Stay" campaign and those who are not young enough to remember life without the EU 

Why did all these industries that the UK thrive on set up and invest here ?




The short answer is that WE as a NATION are bloody good at making Cars, Plant machinery and a hell of a lot of other things.
Some of our so called British names may be owned by German financed companies or even the Chinese but at the end of the day, they choose to have there goods made here and not on mainland Europe for that reason.

I anybody thinks that companies like Peugeot in Coventry, Toyota in Derby, Nissan (or Datsun as it was called) up in Washington never mind BMW in the midlands are going to spit there dummy out and upsticks to mainland Europe because we vote BREXT then there living in fantasy land 

Oh yes, there will be some extra paperwork to be done but mainland Europe needs us probably more then we need them.

At the end of the day, in business whether it be a small company with 10 employees or a massive company with 50,000 employees, it always comes down to supply and demand. Any notion that Europe isn't going to play nicely IF or WHEN it comes down to working out the nitty gritty of the small print is 'dangle berries' because if these treatys drag on, not only will it hurt our economy but it will screw up there economy too 

You can exclude ROVER in that of course because they was that oppsed due to lack of investment and the 70's attitude of some of the workforce, that it was never going to be viable for anybody to turn around that mess 
 

In fact, we can all thank Datsun back in the 70's for having faith in the British workforce when they setup in Washington.
I believe the conversation between the unions and Datsun went along the lines of ........... You look after us and we will look after you.

Amazing what happens when foreign investors come over here and PUT FAITH IN THE SKILLS OF THE BRITISH WORKFORCE

[johnny_boy]

The german finance minister has just said that if the uk leaves the eu it will have no access to the single market.
I think some of the brexiters may have to reconsider some of what has beeen said.

[tigers_gonads]

The german finance minister has just said that if the uk leaves the eu it will have no access to the single market.
I think some of the brexiters may have to reconsider some of what has beeen said.

What the opps has it to do with the German Finance Minister ?

Unless he has permission to represent the whole European Union that is 

I wonder if this wonderful democracy have had a little vote on this subject 

I would say that the real fear of our little sausage eating friend is that if the UK votes BREXIT, how many others with follow ?

Just think Her Finance Minister, in 15 years time, it may just be Germany, France and a few other tin pot nations in your little club 

I wonder if you will still use the EURO as your currency or maybe that will have been succeeded by the New Deutschmark 
I can't see that going down too well in France though can you 

Should have kept to the old common market 
Much better in those days before the EU decided it wanted to expand east from the east coast of the USA all the way upto the Urals   

[ted_one]

I'm British,and not a European!so the rest of Europe can go and opps itself, OH! wait a minute..hasn't it already done that?