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[tunnie]

I don't know where this idea that cars get slower with age came from.

With regards to age, I was thinking more of the years of bodging mechanics having their toll. You get two identical models one DIY serviced by your good self, another Vx serviced its entire life.

I think I know which one would be quicker!

[Miggylover]

I don't know where this idea that cars get slower with age came from.

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With regards to age, I was thinking more of the years of bodging mechanics having their toll. You get two identical models one DIY serviced by your good self, another Vx serviced its entire life.

I think I know which one would be quicker!

What's the difference between vauxhall swapping an oil filter and putting new oil in compared to a diy mechanic?  To be honest if you think your car gets any special treatment at a vauxhall garage you might be surprised. Especially if you knew some of the horror stories from people who have worked for main dealer garages.

Also most vauxhall engines I've seen go on a rolling road with over 100k miles on them have made standard power or even higher. Only ones ive seen loose power have been poorly abused examples or not been  running properly at the time

[cem_devecioglu]

I don't know where this idea that cars get slower with age came from.

Give me a choice of a tight new engine and a nicely loosened-up old one in a drag race and I know what I'd choose.

Yes, if it's in dire mechanical condition, power output will start to suffer but, in my experience, and engine will perform well, once run in, until it's knackered as long as it gets basic servicing.

.. and if anyone still doesn't believe weight is an issue they need to try a Westfield. Yes, even 2/3rd engines aren't as tedious and dull when you give them a tonne less weight to carry. (17 year old 4 pots at that  )

 

Kevin

Kevin Westfield is another subject..  it weights around 450-500 kgs which is less then 1/3 of omega..

a₁=f/m < a₂=3f/m obviously

if we are talking about 2.5 models the weight differences are around 100 kg for the avg .. thats about %6 difference which may be easly cancelled with a bad serviced engine on the other side.. :-/

[tunnie]

I don't know where this idea that cars get slower with age came from.

.

With regards to age, I was thinking more of the years of bodging mechanics having their toll. You get two identical models one DIY serviced by your good self, another Vx serviced its entire life.

I think I know which one would be quicker!

What's the difference between vauxhall swapping an oil filter and putting new oil in compared to a diy mechanic?  To be honest if you think your car gets any special treatment at a vauxhall garage you might be surprised. Especially if you knew some of the horror stories from people who have worked for main dealer garages.

Also most vauxhall engines I've seen go on a rolling road with over 100k miles on them have made standard power or even higher. Only ones ive seen loose power have been poorly abused examples or not been  running properly at the time

I'm say the opposite to what you think I am, garages are manned by monkeys who don't have a clue, a DIY serviced car is going to be looked after far better than any Vx monkey.

I change my oil every 3k, not the 20k specified by Vx to please fleet managers. It runs sooooo much better than when I first got it.

[Webby the Bear]

agree with that tunnie. your description of groses mechanics being monkeys is a bit harsh though; monkeys are quite intelligent!!!!!!

[05omegav6]

Just to put the slow Omega to bed.

My 165k ex plod mobile will still do 0-60 in under 8 seconds, and doesn't really get into its stride until 3000rpm where the engine changes from being  quite pokey to being down right rude. Plod springs, in spite of self levelling, keep it quite tidy in the twisty bits, (OK, tidy for a 2 ton car). 
Considering that I spend most of my time bombing around town and country lanes, I don't think that 25mpg average is unreasonable. On longer runs at least 30mpg is easily reached with a bit of planning/anticipation.

tunnie wrote Today at 10:43:
Kevin Wood wrote Today at 10:24:
I don't know where this idea that cars get slower with age came from.


.

With regards to age, I was thinking more of the years of bodging mechanics having their toll. You get two identical models one DIY serviced by your good self, another Vx serviced its entire life.

I think I know which one would be quicker!



What's the difference between vauxhall swapping an oil filter and putting new oil in compared to a diy mechanic?  To be honest if you think your car gets any special treatment at a vauxhall garage you might be surprised. Especially if you knew some of the horror stories from people who have worked for main dealer garages.

Also most vauxhall engines I've seen go on a rolling road with over 100k miles on them have made standard power or even higher. Only ones ive seen loose power have been poorly abused examples or not been  running properly at the time


I'm say the opposite to what you think I am, garages are manned by monkeys who don't have a clue, a DIY serviced car is going to be looked after far better than any Vx monkey.

I change my oil every 3k, not the 20k specified by Vx to please fleet managers. It runs sooooo much better than when I first got it.

I think that you are all saying the same thing here.

Personally I begrudge paying someone else hundreds of pounds to do, or not, something that I am perfectly capable of doing myself for £25-£60. 

At least I know that if I've change the oil and filters they have been changed.

[mr carl]

ok what about the 2.5 v6 reflection?

any 0-60 times on that?

do any of you have a chart with 0-60 times through out the range?

[Jimbob]

ok what about the 2.5 v6 reflection?

any 0-60 times on that?

do any of you have a chart with 0-60 times through out the range?

Parkers offer the times, but not exactly real world.

[mr carl]

ok what about the 2.5 v6 reflection?

any 0-60 times on that?

do any of you have a chart with 0-60 times through out the range?

Parkers offer the times, but not exactly real world.

i have been going through autotrader.co.uk and have been checking the peformance of each one i can find, but it takes sooooooo long...and i dont think they are all correct  :-/

[Andy B]

ok what about the 2.5 v6 reflection?

any 0-60 times on that?

do any of you have a chart with 0-60 times through out the range?

Parkers offer the times, but not exactly real world.

i have been going through autotrader.co.uk and have been checking the peformance of each one i can find, but it takes sooooooo long...and i dont think they are all correct  :-/

I thought we'd been through all this before  :-?. The cars are now years old & will be nothing like the book says.

[Vamps]

Time for the 'Return of the Bus Thread' ...........

[mr carl]

ok what about the 2.5 v6 reflection?

any 0-60 times on that?

do any of you have a chart with 0-60 times through out the range?

Parkers offer the times, but not exactly real world.

i have been going through autotrader.co.uk and have been checking the peformance of each one i can find, but it takes sooooooo long...and i dont think they are all correct  :-/

I thought we'd been through all this before  :-?. The cars are now years old & will be nothing like the book says.

you can tell me that all day long....i know its not true.my c20xe is 19 years old and still pulls past most things on the road.

with your theory in mind, my 19 year old engine should be as fast as a pedal powered go-kart!

i only want to know which is the fastest 2.5 in the range, not a argument on how all 2.5's have never been looked after, but as if by magic all the other engines in the range have been kept in tip top condition 

 

[mr carl]

ok what about the 2.5 v6 reflection?

any 0-60 times on that?

do any of you have a chart with 0-60 times through out the range?

Parkers offer the times, but not exactly real world.

ahh just looking on parkers now, thank you jim 

[Andy B]

....
you can tell me that all day long....i know its not true. ......

if you know, then WTF are you still asking? :-? Even 2 brand spanking new cars aren't guaranteed to be producing exactly the same bhp's and years down the line will have lost a few horses - do you never watch Top Gear with the challenges?
The model will make next to break all difference to 0 - 60 times. The biggest difference will be if you're 7st wet through or a 30st couch potatoe.

[Andy B]

.....
i only want to know which is the fastest 2.5 in the range, not a argument on how all 2.5's have never been looked after, but as if by magic all the other engines in the range have been kept in tip top condition 

 

you're talking out of your 4r5e now.